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Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics.
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On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics.
Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast..
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On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast..
From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me.
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On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics.
ffs -_-
The thread isnt about making an African server. Its about not inviting Africans to SC2 world championship series.
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I am originally from Antarctica. Look, I'm no good at this game but, as far as I can tell, I am the only Antarctican who plays it. I should be able to represent my homeland.
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On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful.
I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it.
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On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it.
Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits.
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On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful.
Oh really? The thread is about Africa as a whole, not a fragment of the population. Technology is generally more expensive in Africa, while income is significantly cheaper, with the vast majority of people making less than $4000 per year. It's not like other continents, where there's a massive population AND market that wants these products. You're utterly ridiculous.
It's not like any computer, with broadband, can run SC2, even on low. Costs of parts are high, and most people don't know how to build a computer themselves. Please.
On April 10 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it. Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits.
Generally this is not the case. They don't hike up the prices that much simply because the product itself is very expensive to make. They can't cut prices significantly for poorer income places or they'll lose money.
I'd like to know exactly what he bought for $233.13. America has some of the lowest prices for computer components in first world countries. I'm not sure I know any country with lower prices, in fact. And I was including peripherials, since people would need them, aka monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. You do in fact need those to play SC2, no?
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On April 10 2012 06:14 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. Oh really? The thread is about Africa as a whole, not a fragment of the population. Technology is generally more expensive in Africa, while income is significantly cheaper, with the vast majority of people making less than $4000 per year. It's not like other continents, where there's a massive population AND market that wants these products. You're utterly ridiculous. It's not like any computer, with broadband, can run SC2, even on low. Costs of parts are high, and most people don't know how to build a computer themselves. Please. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it. Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits. Generally this is not the case. They don't hike up the prices that much simply because the product itself is very expensive to make. They can't cut prices significantly for poorer income places or they'll lose money. I'd like to know exactly what he bought for $233.13. America has some of the lowest prices for computer components in first world countries. I'm not sure I know any country with lower prices, in fact. And I was including peripherials, since people would need them, aka monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. You do in fact need those to play SC2, no?
Keyboard and mouse were free with the purchase. They are very cheap ones, all you could do with them is give them away but they work sort of. The mouse for example is very temperamental just stops working occasionally and I have to replug it in and it starts working again. Admittedly a monitor would put the price up by about $100 if I remember monitor prices right. And lets face it you would need a modem which would be another $100 for a cheap one. And you would need an internet connection, I have the cheapest available uncapped which is $24 per month (i forgot how much the line costs so that is not included so it will be a little more). And yes even though this is way less than $700 it is out of the reach of most of the population.
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On April 10 2012 05:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast.. From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me.
Again, the thread isn't about getting a dedicated server for Africa. It's about allowing African players to participate in the Battle.net World Championship. I can understand that you feel like there might be downsides to having your own African server (even if you could still just keep your EU account and play there  ), but wouldn't you want the chance to try out for the World Championship?
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On April 10 2012 06:36 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast.. From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me. Again, the thread isn't about getting a dedicated server for Africa. It's about allowing African players to participate in the Battle.net World Championship. I can understand that you feel like there might be downsides to having your own African server (even if you could still just keep your EU account and play there ), but wouldn't you want the chance to try out for the World Championship?
Oh yes, even if the African slot would basically be a free win for the opponent we are a continent, we have Sc2 players we should have the opportunity to compete. How can Africa get any pro players if we are not given these opportunities.
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On April 07 2012 09:15 DashedHopes wrote:
First of all, a lot countries in africa have too much to worry about such as food, shelter, water, and diseases. Electricity is rare to conveniently have to play games, and they are a developing nation, to be honest i bet at least 3/4 of their country doesn't even know what starcraft 2 is.
Africa is not a nation. If there is an epically pro Egyptian player who is dominating the EU ladder, then I'm sure there is a way for said player to get into the proleagues.
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On April 10 2012 06:33 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:14 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. Oh really? The thread is about Africa as a whole, not a fragment of the population. Technology is generally more expensive in Africa, while income is significantly cheaper, with the vast majority of people making less than $4000 per year. It's not like other continents, where there's a massive population AND market that wants these products. You're utterly ridiculous. It's not like any computer, with broadband, can run SC2, even on low. Costs of parts are high, and most people don't know how to build a computer themselves. Please. On April 10 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it. Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits. Generally this is not the case. They don't hike up the prices that much simply because the product itself is very expensive to make. They can't cut prices significantly for poorer income places or they'll lose money. I'd like to know exactly what he bought for $233.13. America has some of the lowest prices for computer components in first world countries. I'm not sure I know any country with lower prices, in fact. And I was including peripherials, since people would need them, aka monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. You do in fact need those to play SC2, no? Keyboard and mouse were free with the purchase. They are very cheap ones, all you could do with them is give them away but they work sort of. The mouse for example is very temperamental just stops working occasionally and I have to replug it in and it starts working again. Admittedly a monitor would put the price up by about $100 if I remember monitor prices right. And lets face it you would need a modem which would be another $100 for a cheap one. And you would need an internet connection, I have the cheapest available uncapped which is $24 per month (i forgot how much the line costs so that is not included so it will be a little more). And yes even though this is way less than $700 it is out of the reach of most of the population.
What exactly are your specs that allow you to play on medium? I don't believe your computer was new. Looking at sites in Egypt, the price of Windows itself is over $100. Of course, PC stores can have deals with Microsoft to get it significantly cheaper, but you don't have that option if you're building the computer yourself, so you'd have to deal with storebought prices.
Also, looking at http://www.pcegypt.com/, the prices in Egypt are nigh identical to the United States, if not marginally more expensive. As I said previously, the U.S. generally has the cheapest computer components you'll find anywhere. Generally speaking, and I'm not sure how pricing is particularly in third world countries, but out of first world countries, it's the U.S.
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On April 10 2012 06:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:36 bblack wrote:On April 10 2012 05:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast.. From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me. Again, the thread isn't about getting a dedicated server for Africa. It's about allowing African players to participate in the Battle.net World Championship. I can understand that you feel like there might be downsides to having your own African server (even if you could still just keep your EU account and play there ), but wouldn't you want the chance to try out for the World Championship? Oh yes, even if the African slot would basically be a free win for the opponent we are a continent, we have Sc2 players we should have the opportunity to compete. How can Africa get any pro players if we are not given these opportunities.
A few pages back someone smartly suggested that someone like yourself should contact Blizzard. Just say you are from SA and ask how you can compete. Care to give that a try?
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On April 10 2012 06:49 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:33 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 06:14 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. Oh really? The thread is about Africa as a whole, not a fragment of the population. Technology is generally more expensive in Africa, while income is significantly cheaper, with the vast majority of people making less than $4000 per year. It's not like other continents, where there's a massive population AND market that wants these products. You're utterly ridiculous. It's not like any computer, with broadband, can run SC2, even on low. Costs of parts are high, and most people don't know how to build a computer themselves. Please. On April 10 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it. Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits. Generally this is not the case. They don't hike up the prices that much simply because the product itself is very expensive to make. They can't cut prices significantly for poorer income places or they'll lose money. I'd like to know exactly what he bought for $233.13. America has some of the lowest prices for computer components in first world countries. I'm not sure I know any country with lower prices, in fact. And I was including peripherials, since people would need them, aka monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. You do in fact need those to play SC2, no? Keyboard and mouse were free with the purchase. They are very cheap ones, all you could do with them is give them away but they work sort of. The mouse for example is very temperamental just stops working occasionally and I have to replug it in and it starts working again. Admittedly a monitor would put the price up by about $100 if I remember monitor prices right. And lets face it you would need a modem which would be another $100 for a cheap one. And you would need an internet connection, I have the cheapest available uncapped which is $24 per month (i forgot how much the line costs so that is not included so it will be a little more). And yes even though this is way less than $700 it is out of the reach of most of the population. What exactly are your specs that allow you to play on medium? I don't believe your computer was new. Looking at sites in Egypt, the price of Windows itself is over $100. Of course, PC stores can have deals with Microsoft to get it significantly cheaper, but you don't have that option if you're building the computer yourself, so you'd have to deal with storebought prices. Also, looking at http://www.pcegypt.com/, the prices in Egypt are nigh identical to the United States, if not marginally more expensive. As I said previously, the U.S. generally has the cheapest computer components you'll find anywhere. Generally speaking, and I'm not sure how pricing is particularly in third world countries, but out of first world countries, it's the U.S.
Firstly I am in South Africa despite the name. It was on special at the time, I will try find out what the same rig costs now without the special.
This is the place I got it from if you want to compare prices. Unfortunately they are no longer selling the same rig as I have.
http://www.zones.co.za/
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It says Dual core 3.00GHz
2gb ram
It came with 250gb hard drive but I have improved that.
I have no clue what graphics card it is but it is really bad.
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I have a Core i7 3.8Ghz Sandy Bridge with 8 Gigs of Ram and a workstation Motherboard. (using old Gfx card)
South Africa is a borderline 2nd world courtry. Im from Namibia, which is a 3rd world country. 
Im telling you, I used to live in SA, its full of cocky FPS players who like to drink too and talk about they big genitals being this and that size. All the players are FPS players, very few are RTS players. Moba games are quite popular aswell.
We wont get get a server coz player base too low, and for that reason we dont want one either, EU is fine.
Whats the point of this thread anymore? Its totally derailed
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On April 10 2012 06:51 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 06:36 bblack wrote:On April 10 2012 05:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast.. From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me. Again, the thread isn't about getting a dedicated server for Africa. It's about allowing African players to participate in the Battle.net World Championship. I can understand that you feel like there might be downsides to having your own African server (even if you could still just keep your EU account and play there ), but wouldn't you want the chance to try out for the World Championship? Oh yes, even if the African slot would basically be a free win for the opponent we are a continent, we have Sc2 players we should have the opportunity to compete. How can Africa get any pro players if we are not given these opportunities. A few pages back someone smartly suggested that someone like yourself should contact Blizzard. Just say you are from SA and ask how you can compete. Care to give that a try?
Not actually a bad idea. I will give it a try not that I expect anything to come of it but unless people ask for it Blizzard have no reason to make it happen.
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Internet is expensive and only in the last 2 years have there been some price reductions due to new undersea cables connecting africa (Seacom, SEAMEWE, WACS). While many people need the basic - housing, jobs and food (not so much the latter), there is an understanding in S.Africa anyways, that knowledge is power. This comes from the internet.
The biggest contributor to internet access has been BlackBerry and 3/4G - not suitable for gaming. It is incredibly popular here due to its affordability vs ADSL. We dont have anything near fibre or cable and will not have for many years. ADSL is controlled by a few monopolies.
So -
- no internet,
- hardware is expensive,
- electricity went from being the cheapest in the world to rising by 60% in 1 year
That being said - we actually have a South African national team and a structure that is sponsored and supported by our sporting ministry (Tx polar fluke et al). Rugby, cricket and golf make a lot more money than sc would at this stage - and these are the sports we are raised to play.
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On April 10 2012 06:51 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 10 2012 06:33 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 06:14 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. Oh really? The thread is about Africa as a whole, not a fragment of the population. Technology is generally more expensive in Africa, while income is significantly cheaper, with the vast majority of people making less than $4000 per year. It's not like other continents, where there's a massive population AND market that wants these products. You're utterly ridiculous. It's not like any computer, with broadband, can run SC2, even on low. Costs of parts are high, and most people don't know how to build a computer themselves. Please. On April 10 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 04:40 ScLogan wrote:On April 10 2012 04:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
Your edit makes things even worse. They try to get into soccer after showing promise on the streets. You think even a remote portion of the population can afford a computer that can run SC2? A computer that can even run SC2 on low is going to cost like $700 there minimum, assuming they know how to build hte sucker themselves, then they have to show promise. Most of them can't even afford the luxury of SC2, let alone try to go pro at it. Another sign of ignorance here - absolutely wonderful. I bought a new pc for $233.13 (exact conversion), not including a moniter. No I did not have to build it myself but I am capable of doing it. The local pc shop does it for free with a purchase. Runs sc2 on medium at a good frame rate. Where on earth did that guy pull that $700 from? Is that how much pcs cost in America? You guys are getting ripped off big time if that is the case. For $700 I could build a top of the line pc or pretty close to it. Don't forget that the average income in America is higher than in Africa. So it may be around the same relative price. But yes, I'm sure companies hike up their prices for products sold in the US. The average American consumer will be scrambling to give you his/her money if they see a comercial with Football and Tits. Generally this is not the case. They don't hike up the prices that much simply because the product itself is very expensive to make. They can't cut prices significantly for poorer income places or they'll lose money. I'd like to know exactly what he bought for $233.13. America has some of the lowest prices for computer components in first world countries. I'm not sure I know any country with lower prices, in fact. And I was including peripherials, since people would need them, aka monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. You do in fact need those to play SC2, no? Keyboard and mouse were free with the purchase. They are very cheap ones, all you could do with them is give them away but they work sort of. The mouse for example is very temperamental just stops working occasionally and I have to replug it in and it starts working again. Admittedly a monitor would put the price up by about $100 if I remember monitor prices right. And lets face it you would need a modem which would be another $100 for a cheap one. And you would need an internet connection, I have the cheapest available uncapped which is $24 per month (i forgot how much the line costs so that is not included so it will be a little more). And yes even though this is way less than $700 it is out of the reach of most of the population. What exactly are your specs that allow you to play on medium? I don't believe your computer was new. Looking at sites in Egypt, the price of Windows itself is over $100. Of course, PC stores can have deals with Microsoft to get it significantly cheaper, but you don't have that option if you're building the computer yourself, so you'd have to deal with storebought prices. Also, looking at http://www.pcegypt.com/, the prices in Egypt are nigh identical to the United States, if not marginally more expensive. As I said previously, the U.S. generally has the cheapest computer components you'll find anywhere. Generally speaking, and I'm not sure how pricing is particularly in third world countries, but out of first world countries, it's the U.S. Firstly I am in South Africa despite the name. It was on special at the time, I will try find out what the same rig costs now without the special. This is the place I got it from if you want to compare prices. Unfortunately they are no longer selling the same rig as I have. http://www.zones.co.za/edit: It says Dual core 3.00GHz 2gb ram It came with 250gb hard drive but I have improved that. I have no clue what graphics card it is but it is really bad.
That means nothing. However, that system would be the bare minimum most likely to play SC2. It wouldn't be playable at a high level. No way it could play medium. Possible an Intel Core 2 Duo, which is not going to let you play in large lategame battles, even on low. Coupled with a terrible GPU...
I mean that system yeah probably is worth $250ish here. It's a pretty low end computer, I can't imagine it playing SC2. But I still don't know without all the specs. Not to mention the quality of components are probably so low to get it at that price that the PSU will blow it up within a year or something.
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I think the real point is not if the people can afford access to it but rather all the other people that already have access and want to participate. As has been said many times we do not want our own African server but rather we want African qualifiers.
Also I have to go with FabledIntegral on the pc issue, i think about $700 is about right for a decent pc if you want play SC2, USA components for pcs are way cheaper then South Africa from what I have seen (most stuff are).
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