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omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
April 12 2012 20:44 GMT
#181

Taken in the February 2012
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://sc2ranks.com/

Users in Korea: 39.4 million. Users in taiwan: 16,147,000 Players in South Korea/taiwan: 770,582. Ratio: about 72 internet users for each starcraft 2 player.

Users in Americas (North and South): 488,005,400. Americas server: 1,317,394 ratio: 370 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in Europe: 476,213,935 Europe Server: 993,488. ratio: 479 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in China: 477,000,000. China Server: 322,863. ratio: 1477 users per sc2 player

I am not even going to do Southeast Asia because I am not 100% sure who players there.

Notes: Please note that this does not take into consideration players that play across servers and continents.

Please remember the starcraft 2 scene in South Korea seems to be (correct me if I am wrong) more widespread so it would make sense that there are more players per internet user.

Let us now look at Africa (as a whole). They have 118,609,620 internet users.

If it had the same e-sports scene as Korea, they would have a total of 1,647,355 players. But as even the Americas and Europe don't come close to its 1 player per 72 internet users, it is highly unlikely Africa does as well.

Let as assume they are the same as Europe, then they would have 247,619 players. If we compare it to America, they would have 320,566 players. But it is highly unlikely the SC2 scene is as developed in Africa as in America and Europe. If I am wrong on this. please correct me.

If we say Africa is the same as China, then they would have 80,304 players at its best. Call me racist, call me ignorant, but I highly doubt the SC2 scene in Africa is as developed as China. I would suspect perhaps half that number at best. Africa as a whole simply has not had the same exposure to the game SC2 as have other countries (I am not saying e-sports there is non-existent/small, I am saying that SC2 there is probably not one of the big videogames. So at its best by my estimates, they would have around 40,000 SC2 players, and who knows how many of those are serious gamers (and in my opinion, this may be very generous). The LA server was merged with the US due to major issues. I do not think Africa warrants a server if these statistics are true. I would opt for the European server being extended to Africa.


I posted this is a past SC2 thread talking about Africa. I can conclude they do have players, but they need to make themselves known if they are good. But they do not warrant a server. They also need to prove the need for qualifiers.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
April 12 2012 21:24 GMT
#182
On April 13 2012 05:25 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 02:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On April 07 2012 09:12 clickrush wrote:
sc2 is not supported there as far as I know

And you seem to not know much. Please people, this is not a troll post, but stems more out of concern for the general populous of the WORLD. Become informed before posting such things.


How is this a troll post, he is merely stating the truth. There is no Africa SC2 server, so it would be harder to play due to connection issues.

I said my post is not intended as a troll post. I was merely stating my opinion.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 21:32:01
April 12 2012 21:30 GMT
#183
On April 13 2012 05:31 cellblock wrote:
Are there mostly white South Africans and Namibians that are gamers?

Thanks for your intelligent post/question, as it seems those are scarce in this thread.

As for the answer to your question: I'm not entirely sure, for I cannot speak without backing my claims with statistics but I do believe that at least 90% of those gamers are white yes. I have met quite a few non-white gamers, especially "coloured" people (it's what they are called in South Africa, and is certainly not a racist term here), but also many blacks and indians. While the SC2 playerbase in these countries are probably predominantly white, the majority of console gamers for example would maybe show a different statistic. Most non-white gamers which I know of would more often than not play PS3 or something similar.
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Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands386 Posts
April 12 2012 22:58 GMT
#184
On April 13 2012 05:44 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Show nested quote +

Taken in the February 2012
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://sc2ranks.com/

Users in Korea: 39.4 million. Users in taiwan: 16,147,000 Players in South Korea/taiwan: 770,582. Ratio: about 72 internet users for each starcraft 2 player.

Users in Americas (North and South): 488,005,400. Americas server: 1,317,394 ratio: 370 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in Europe: 476,213,935 Europe Server: 993,488. ratio: 479 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in China: 477,000,000. China Server: 322,863. ratio: 1477 users per sc2 player

I am not even going to do Southeast Asia because I am not 100% sure who players there.

Notes: Please note that this does not take into consideration players that play across servers and continents.

Please remember the starcraft 2 scene in South Korea seems to be (correct me if I am wrong) more widespread so it would make sense that there are more players per internet user.

Let us now look at Africa (as a whole). They have 118,609,620 internet users.

If it had the same e-sports scene as Korea, they would have a total of 1,647,355 players. But as even the Americas and Europe don't come close to its 1 player per 72 internet users, it is highly unlikely Africa does as well.

Let as assume they are the same as Europe, then they would have 247,619 players. If we compare it to America, they would have 320,566 players. But it is highly unlikely the SC2 scene is as developed in Africa as in America and Europe. If I am wrong on this. please correct me.

If we say Africa is the same as China, then they would have 80,304 players at its best. Call me racist, call me ignorant, but I highly doubt the SC2 scene in Africa is as developed as China. I would suspect perhaps half that number at best. Africa as a whole simply has not had the same exposure to the game SC2 as have other countries (I am not saying e-sports there is non-existent/small, I am saying that SC2 there is probably not one of the big videogames. So at its best by my estimates, they would have around 40,000 SC2 players, and who knows how many of those are serious gamers (and in my opinion, this may be very generous). The LA server was merged with the US due to major issues. I do not think Africa warrants a server if these statistics are true. I would opt for the European server being extended to Africa.


I posted this is a past SC2 thread talking about Africa. I can conclude they do have players, but they need to make themselves known if they are good. But they do not warrant a server. They also need to prove the need for qualifiers.

Thanks, nice post
From the responses here so far we can easily conclude that there is both no reason and no desire for an African server. They should however, be more included in the general scene in order to have the chance to grow. In the example at hand, they should be able to join the World Championship.
Again I'd like to urge all Africans to contact Blizzard and ask them how they can qualify, the more the merrier

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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
April 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#185
Shivers*

There are so many uninformed posts on here about Africa....

On topic, they may exist already, but without their own server we may not know about them. Barring that, they'll need to prove they can compete by taking some weekly's or something first.
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Deleted User 255289
Profile Joined March 2012
281 Posts
April 13 2012 01:45 GMT
#186
I think its because SC2 is such a small deal in Africa that those who play at all do not have any encouragement to try it full time.
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rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
April 13 2012 01:48 GMT
#187
On April 07 2012 09:15 DashedHopes wrote:
i bet at least 3/4 of their country doesn't even know what starcraft 2 is.


I bet at least 3/4 of america/europe doesn't even know what starcraft 2 is.
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ePdeLay
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia220 Posts
April 13 2012 01:59 GMT
#188
namibia participated in wcg last year
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
April 13 2012 07:47 GMT
#189
On April 13 2012 05:44 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Show nested quote +

Taken in the February 2012
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://sc2ranks.com/

Users in Korea: 39.4 million. Users in taiwan: 16,147,000 Players in South Korea/taiwan: 770,582. Ratio: about 72 internet users for each starcraft 2 player.

Users in Americas (North and South): 488,005,400. Americas server: 1,317,394 ratio: 370 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in Europe: 476,213,935 Europe Server: 993,488. ratio: 479 internet users per starcraft 2 player

Users in China: 477,000,000. China Server: 322,863. ratio: 1477 users per sc2 player

I am not even going to do Southeast Asia because I am not 100% sure who players there.

Notes: Please note that this does not take into consideration players that play across servers and continents.

Please remember the starcraft 2 scene in South Korea seems to be (correct me if I am wrong) more widespread so it would make sense that there are more players per internet user.

Let us now look at Africa (as a whole). They have 118,609,620 internet users.

If it had the same e-sports scene as Korea, they would have a total of 1,647,355 players. But as even the Americas and Europe don't come close to its 1 player per 72 internet users, it is highly unlikely Africa does as well.

Let as assume they are the same as Europe, then they would have 247,619 players. If we compare it to America, they would have 320,566 players. But it is highly unlikely the SC2 scene is as developed in Africa as in America and Europe. If I am wrong on this. please correct me.

If we say Africa is the same as China, then they would have 80,304 players at its best. Call me racist, call me ignorant, but I highly doubt the SC2 scene in Africa is as developed as China. I would suspect perhaps half that number at best. Africa as a whole simply has not had the same exposure to the game SC2 as have other countries (I am not saying e-sports there is non-existent/small, I am saying that SC2 there is probably not one of the big videogames. So at its best by my estimates, they would have around 40,000 SC2 players, and who knows how many of those are serious gamers (and in my opinion, this may be very generous). The LA server was merged with the US due to major issues. I do not think Africa warrants a server if these statistics are true. I would opt for the European server being extended to Africa.


I posted this is a past SC2 thread talking about Africa. I can conclude they do have players, but they need to make themselves known if they are good. But they do not warrant a server. They also need to prove the need for qualifiers.


Do you mean that they need to prove thaht they deserve a qualifier or that they need to prove that they want it in order for it to actually happen? In my opinion, in order to qualify for a qualification to a world championship, everything that is required is that you live somewhere in the world. As we all know, Africa is located on the Earth, so I think all Africans should be allowed to try to qualify for the world championship.

I would also like to to point out the inconsistency of the need to prove that one deserves a qualifier. If we compare it to any of those 28 countries that is on the list: In any of those countries, someone who has never played SC2 can buy a copy and enter the qualifiers as his first match ever, without proving a single thing. So why would people who accidentally happen to be born in Africa need to prove that they deserve a qualifier, when random noobs in the rest of the world do not need to?

However, if you meant that, in practice, Africans have to prove that they want a qualifier, then I agree. We can discuss what should have been all day, but if Blizzard sees that there's no one in Africa who actually bothers so much that he takes the trouble of writing an e-mail or organizing a petition or anything like that, then I'm inclined to agree, that the will to enter the championship isn't really there. As I suggested earlier, send an e-mail to Blizzard and tell them you want to compete.

Also, if the highest level players don't participate, there might be a chance for lower league players to qualify, so I think anyone in Plat or above should send Blizzard an e-mail, as there might be a very real chance to make it far in the qualifiers. It would also generate quite a lot of e-mails, which would be even more convincing.
SuPern00b
Profile Joined June 2011
24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 15:15:58
April 15 2012 15:02 GMT
#190
Hi, i am from egypt, and i play sc2 and i am masters, i play on EU account, and i would love to know if more people from around here that play this game =D
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
April 15 2012 15:04 GMT
#191
If they want to be acknowledged, then get good first, like how Korea did.
It would be awesome to have a black pro-gamer.
You can never have too much diversity.
Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands386 Posts
April 16 2012 07:53 GMT
#192
On April 16 2012 00:02 SuPern00b wrote:
Hi, i am from egypt, and i play sc2 and i am masters, i play on EU account, and i would love to know if more people from around here that play this game =D

Hi there, if you browse through the replies before you, you will find quite a few African players! Most are from Egypt or South Africa
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Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands386 Posts
April 16 2012 07:55 GMT
#193
On April 16 2012 00:04 JiPrime wrote:
If they want to be acknowledged, then get good first, like how Korea did.
It would be awesome to have a black pro-gamer.
You can never have too much diversity.

Well, even with the latency they get by playing on EU server, there are masters and GM players from Africa, so they seem to be quite decent.
I really hope someone will get into the world tourney to put their scene on the map
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iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
April 26 2012 07:23 GMT
#194
I'm copying TumNarDok's post from the World Championship thread (and adding emphasis):

On April 26 2012 06:31 TumNarDok wrote:
*ressurect due to new information.

Info
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/national2012/news/191707/
Dates
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/national2012/


The Combined European National is open to players with the following citizenship: Austria, Switzerland, Romania, Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Portugal, Croatia, Ireland, Belarus, Slovakia, Lithuania, Serbia, Slovenia, Iceland, Estonia, Luxembourg, Moldova, Cyprus, Malta, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Georgia, Armenia, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Albania, Montenegro, San Marino, Vatican City, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Latvia, Israel, South Africa, Faroe Islands



Problem solved, it seems, at least for the South Africans. If anyone from other African countries wants to compete, I suggest you ask Blizzard and/or ESL if you can participate in that tournament because, to me, the list seems really arbitrary. I very much doubt that Blizzard has been in contact with any huge SC2 organizations in Andorra, San Marino or Vatican City. More likely, they've just looked at the map and listed all the countries in Europe and then thrown in a couple of other nearby countries and South Africa for good measure. I wouldn't think there'd be any stopping you from competing in the tournament if you just ask nicely.

Now, of course, you need to get the word out to the South African SC2 community. This thread is totally pointless if, by the end of it, no Africans really bothered to compete anyway. There are qualifiers going throughout May, so hurry!
0megaWeapon
Profile Joined October 2011
South Africa7 Posts
April 26 2012 13:18 GMT
#195
On April 13 2012 10:45 superbarnie wrote:
I think its because SC2 is such a small deal in Africa that those who play at all do not have any encouragement to try it full time.


And something one of the other SA guys said about Internet being expensive here that pretty much sums it up.

Have the courage to admit your mistakes & wrong doings, for until you do, you will carry on living in the world of illusion.
SCG.StatiC
Profile Joined April 2012
South Africa33 Posts
May 08 2012 17:57 GMT
#196
Well in South Africa, as others have said, there are many masters and one grandmaster. I know quite a few masters and am almost there myself. Other African countries I am not sure about but I am pretty sure their is a grandmaster Moroccan player.
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