• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:45
CEST 19:45
KST 02:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed14Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll6Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Help: rep cant save
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 907 users

Match Making Changes in Ladder Season 7 - Page 18

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 12 2012 21:30 GMT
#341
Awww man. I'm going to miss playing against mid-golds from my position in mid-platinum. They were a fine bunch of players, though unrefined in macro and game sense. Platinum players are good too, but playing them feels like playing against myself, and I have no worst enemy than myself.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
April 12 2012 22:04 GMT
#342
On April 13 2012 04:43 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 04:28 Marduce wrote:
they just rolled back the changes if anyone missed it

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901


Makes sense to me, and honestly those effects were predicted. I would say the effect on low Bronze is more complaint-worthy than GM, though. In GM, it's very common to play against people who you have no trouble beating, and playing against even worse players is not much different in that regard. In low Bronze, there is nobody worse than you so it's unfair to match against much better players where you're essentially just wasting your time. In both cases, you're only seeing half of the wider search range, but it's much more punishing for the lowest end and could result in declining Bronze activity.

What probably should happen is some sort of tiered approach where the minimum search range narrows the closer you are to the edge of the spectrum.

Right, but when you are the person being matched agaisnt far far superior players it stops being fun.

I don't mind playing against much better players at all, but the issue in my case was it was very uneven. I would not play anyone at a similar skill level, I played either people at the top of masters going on 10 - 12 win streaks vs worse players or play diamonds who were far worse than me. I am in diamond and played someone who was 1100 point master least season.

The system wanting to keep my win rate at close to 50/50 would place me against people much worse than me to make up for the losses vs high master players.

I think a better approach would be to search for an even MMR match and then scale up or down depending on search time or perhaps based on how many games have been played. I dont mind my 5th match to select a better or worse person, but to never select an even match is just wasting my time. I don't improve playing people far worse and I don't improve playing random people far better.

I practice with some people who are mid to high masters sometimes and I can practice defending a certain thing or preparing for an aspect of play like Terran drops.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#343
I am technically high masters in 4v4 and 3v3, but I get people as low as mid gold on my team. But guess what, I still win those games most of the time

If you have a problem with the ladder system, go to a chat room and ask for someone at or above your rank if you want a challenge. Or, just dont lose on ladder and you will eventually play vs people you cant beat.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 23:24:09
April 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#344
They reversed the change BTW. Its a shame since I really felt it did bring more variety.

But they said it affected Super low and Super high people so I guess its Ok.

E: Sorry I´m an idiot and forgot to include this

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901

E2: Just PMd the TC so that he can edit this in.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#345
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 23:17 GMT
#346
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve
aintthatfunny
Profile Joined April 2012
193 Posts
April 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#347
I wish they would have kept it. :/
I promise I'll behave.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:38 GMT
#348
On April 13 2012 08:17 ishyishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve


I'm 4-2 so no stress :p I't just that my mmr shouldnt be at that level tbh, but I've always felt that I hit broader during the pre-Gm promotions.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
April 13 2012 05:07 GMT
#349
I am happy that they reverted the change. The MMR system was fine in my opinion. It was also a very bad change for GM players.
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Swiss Groups Day 4
goblin vs MaNaLIVE!
Jumy vs YoungYakov
WardiTV636
IndyStarCraft 247
TKL 239
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 555
IndyStarCraft 247
TKL 239
mcanning 124
UpATreeSC 84
JuggernautJason6
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30843
Sea 2436
Larva 1330
EffOrt 1099
Stork 502
firebathero 381
Mini 318
Zeus 201
PianO 140
TY 65
[ Show more ]
Hyun 63
Sharp 60
Shine 35
Backho 33
scan(afreeca) 27
sSak 24
Terrorterran 23
Noble 9
Hm[arnc] 6
Dota 2
qojqva4898
League of Legends
Dendi1223
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps785
sgares387
Stewie2K222
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude10
Other Games
FrodaN2241
Beastyqt662
ceh9427
B2W.Neo349
Lowko264
RotterdaM195
Skadoodle110
Trikslyr86
oskar60
elazer40
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2751
StarCraft 2
angryscii 14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH235
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5033
• TFBlade308
Other Games
• imaqtpie1161
• Shiphtur230
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 15m
OSC
6h 15m
Epic.LAN
18h 15m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 16h
Epic.LAN
1d 18h
CSO Contender
1d 23h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Esports World Cup
4 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

JPL Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.