• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:55
CET 07:55
KST 15:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1916 users

Match Making Changes in Ladder Season 7 - Page 18

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 12 2012 21:30 GMT
#341
Awww man. I'm going to miss playing against mid-golds from my position in mid-platinum. They were a fine bunch of players, though unrefined in macro and game sense. Platinum players are good too, but playing them feels like playing against myself, and I have no worst enemy than myself.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
April 12 2012 22:04 GMT
#342
On April 13 2012 04:43 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 04:28 Marduce wrote:
they just rolled back the changes if anyone missed it

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901


Makes sense to me, and honestly those effects were predicted. I would say the effect on low Bronze is more complaint-worthy than GM, though. In GM, it's very common to play against people who you have no trouble beating, and playing against even worse players is not much different in that regard. In low Bronze, there is nobody worse than you so it's unfair to match against much better players where you're essentially just wasting your time. In both cases, you're only seeing half of the wider search range, but it's much more punishing for the lowest end and could result in declining Bronze activity.

What probably should happen is some sort of tiered approach where the minimum search range narrows the closer you are to the edge of the spectrum.

Right, but when you are the person being matched agaisnt far far superior players it stops being fun.

I don't mind playing against much better players at all, but the issue in my case was it was very uneven. I would not play anyone at a similar skill level, I played either people at the top of masters going on 10 - 12 win streaks vs worse players or play diamonds who were far worse than me. I am in diamond and played someone who was 1100 point master least season.

The system wanting to keep my win rate at close to 50/50 would place me against people much worse than me to make up for the losses vs high master players.

I think a better approach would be to search for an even MMR match and then scale up or down depending on search time or perhaps based on how many games have been played. I dont mind my 5th match to select a better or worse person, but to never select an even match is just wasting my time. I don't improve playing people far worse and I don't improve playing random people far better.

I practice with some people who are mid to high masters sometimes and I can practice defending a certain thing or preparing for an aspect of play like Terran drops.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#343
I am technically high masters in 4v4 and 3v3, but I get people as low as mid gold on my team. But guess what, I still win those games most of the time

If you have a problem with the ladder system, go to a chat room and ask for someone at or above your rank if you want a challenge. Or, just dont lose on ladder and you will eventually play vs people you cant beat.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 23:24:09
April 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#344
They reversed the change BTW. Its a shame since I really felt it did bring more variety.

But they said it affected Super low and Super high people so I guess its Ok.

E: Sorry I´m an idiot and forgot to include this

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901

E2: Just PMd the TC so that he can edit this in.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#345
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 23:17 GMT
#346
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve
aintthatfunny
Profile Joined April 2012
193 Posts
April 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#347
I wish they would have kept it. :/
I promise I'll behave.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:38 GMT
#348
On April 13 2012 08:17 ishyishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve


I'm 4-2 so no stress :p I't just that my mmr shouldnt be at that level tbh, but I've always felt that I hit broader during the pre-Gm promotions.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
April 13 2012 05:07 GMT
#349
I am happy that they reverted the change. The MMR system was fine in my opinion. It was also a very bad change for GM players.
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft602
RuFF_SC2 283
NeuroSwarm 194
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 2235
Larva 230
Shuttle 138
NotJumperer 23
eros_byul 0
League of Legends
JimRising 715
C9.Mang0431
Other Games
summit1g8251
XaKoH 170
minikerr51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1028
BasetradeTV59
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 44
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22230
League of Legends
• Rush1265
• Lourlo1211
Other Games
• Scarra1896
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 5m
Krystianer vs Classic
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs Ryung
ByuN vs Nicoract
OSC
11h 5m
BSL 21
13h 5m
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Wardi Open
1d 5h
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
OSC
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.