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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 12 2012 21:30 GMT
#341
Awww man. I'm going to miss playing against mid-golds from my position in mid-platinum. They were a fine bunch of players, though unrefined in macro and game sense. Platinum players are good too, but playing them feels like playing against myself, and I have no worst enemy than myself.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
April 12 2012 22:04 GMT
#342
On April 13 2012 04:43 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 04:28 Marduce wrote:
they just rolled back the changes if anyone missed it

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901


Makes sense to me, and honestly those effects were predicted. I would say the effect on low Bronze is more complaint-worthy than GM, though. In GM, it's very common to play against people who you have no trouble beating, and playing against even worse players is not much different in that regard. In low Bronze, there is nobody worse than you so it's unfair to match against much better players where you're essentially just wasting your time. In both cases, you're only seeing half of the wider search range, but it's much more punishing for the lowest end and could result in declining Bronze activity.

What probably should happen is some sort of tiered approach where the minimum search range narrows the closer you are to the edge of the spectrum.

Right, but when you are the person being matched agaisnt far far superior players it stops being fun.

I don't mind playing against much better players at all, but the issue in my case was it was very uneven. I would not play anyone at a similar skill level, I played either people at the top of masters going on 10 - 12 win streaks vs worse players or play diamonds who were far worse than me. I am in diamond and played someone who was 1100 point master least season.

The system wanting to keep my win rate at close to 50/50 would place me against people much worse than me to make up for the losses vs high master players.

I think a better approach would be to search for an even MMR match and then scale up or down depending on search time or perhaps based on how many games have been played. I dont mind my 5th match to select a better or worse person, but to never select an even match is just wasting my time. I don't improve playing people far worse and I don't improve playing random people far better.

I practice with some people who are mid to high masters sometimes and I can practice defending a certain thing or preparing for an aspect of play like Terran drops.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#343
I am technically high masters in 4v4 and 3v3, but I get people as low as mid gold on my team. But guess what, I still win those games most of the time

If you have a problem with the ladder system, go to a chat room and ask for someone at or above your rank if you want a challenge. Or, just dont lose on ladder and you will eventually play vs people you cant beat.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 23:24:09
April 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#344
They reversed the change BTW. Its a shame since I really felt it did bring more variety.

But they said it affected Super low and Super high people so I guess its Ok.

E: Sorry I´m an idiot and forgot to include this

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4427703901

E2: Just PMd the TC so that he can edit this in.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#345
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
April 12 2012 23:17 GMT
#346
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve
aintthatfunny
Profile Joined April 2012
193 Posts
April 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#347
I wish they would have kept it. :/
I promise I'll behave.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2012 23:38 GMT
#348
On April 13 2012 08:17 ishyishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 08:12 EmilA wrote:
I don't know man.. My last 6 opponents have been 1350+ masters or mid GMs. Either im SOL or it's been reversed as the guy above me says.


you need to play vs people better than you to improve


I'm 4-2 so no stress :p I't just that my mmr shouldnt be at that level tbh, but I've always felt that I hit broader during the pre-Gm promotions.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
April 13 2012 05:07 GMT
#349
I am happy that they reverted the change. The MMR system was fine in my opinion. It was also a very bad change for GM players.
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
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