[IPL4] Open Bracket Released

On April 04 2012 17:47 maracuja123 wrote:
Winner Bracket 1, 2 and 3 seem boring.

4 is actually the only one there is fun players and good games to watch.

On April 04 2012 17:48 opterown wrote:


Oops, realised I stuffed up the labelling of bracket numbers. Should be good now
Also my apologies for the terrible scaling. Unfortunately text doesn't scale well

On April 04 2012 18:01 mdvoltage.rosko wrote:
Apparently, effort is needed to make these threads, in order to spark discussion and talk about the game, it needs to look pretty apparently, BS anyone can click links.

On April 04 2012 18:13 yawnoC wrote:
This bracket looks so crazy o_O
I kind of want to go threw it and predict it but I would probably fail miserably.

YOU CAN DO IT RUMCAKE! After you beat Machine or Hawk you then will stomp Select or Sase

On April 04 2012 18:16 RuMCaKe wrote:



With you cheering me on anything is possible!

On April 04 2012 18:21 Irave wrote:

Beating MVP will likely net you a fan club! Do it for the e-fame! No pressure.

On April 04 2012 18:32 Full.tilt wrote:
Don't really like that the Korean pro's have been spread over the brackets so evenly.

On April 04 2012 18:32 Full.tilt wrote:
Don't really like that the Korean pro's have been spread over the brackets so evenly.

On April 04 2012 18:35 Orracle wrote:


Why not? It will ensure that the higher brackets are packed with the best players. If a foreigner makes it through, he sure as hell deserves it.

On April 04 2012 18:46 habeck wrote:
Well MVP got quite easy bracket compared with others, i wish he will make it, but you know, his wrists....

On April 04 2012 18:42 DJHelium wrote:
Jjakji vs TLO in bracket 4 finals, calling it nauw!

On April 04 2012 18:51 oGoZenob wrote:

My thoughts exactly. I usually stop waching events when the last foreigner is out ^^

On April 04 2012 18:51 oGoZenob wrote:

My thoughts exactly. I usually stop waching events when the last foreigner is out ^^

On April 04 2012 18:42 Full.tilt wrote:


Just because IPL becomes just another GSL-like. Full of korean pro's. I like watching the GSL and Korean pro's, just not at every big tournament. Some variety and uniqueness between tournaments could be nice.

On April 04 2012 19:05 oGoZenob wrote:

it depends on what you call a good game. For me, a match between two strong foreign player, with their flaws and personality that i know well about, is better than watching imaculate emotionless robotlike korean play.
But that's my opinion, biased by years of broodwar ^^

On April 04 2012 18:51 Harris1st wrote:
Where is Naniwa? No IPL and no Gathering?

Mostly Koreans and NA are participating and still i have the feeling that Sase and Stephano will have the best foreign results in this tournament

On April 04 2012 19:05 oGoZenob wrote:

it depends on what you call a good game. For me, a match between two strong foreign player, with their flaws and personality that i know well about, is better than watching imaculate emotionless robotlike korean play.
But that's my opinion, biased by years of broodwar ^^

On April 04 2012 19:16 ragnorr wrote:

I can get people want to see foreigners only, but why is it people always call korean emotionless? Most of them show plenty of emotions, if not more than foreign players. Perhaps you should tune in and see it some times instead of saying stuff which is not true....

As for the bracket, hoping Maru or Jjakji comes out of the 4'th bracket!

On April 04 2012 19:16 ragnorr wrote:

I can get people want to see foreigners only, but why is it people always call korean emotionless? Most of them show plenty of emotions, if not more than foreign players. Perhaps you should tune in and see it some times instead of saying stuff which is not true....

As for the bracket, hoping Maru or Jjakji comes out of the 4'th bracket!

On April 04 2012 20:04 ydeer1993 wrote:
shame there alot of random people in the bracket, coulda had "MOAR KOREANS!" :D

On April 04 2012 20:04 ydeer1993 wrote:
shame there alot of random people in the bracket, coulda had "MOAR KOREANS!" :D

On April 04 2012 20:26 adriftt wrote:
player pool is ridiculous

only missing DRG

On April 04 2012 20:31 weaknurse wrote:
So how much of an issue does everyone expect lag to when the koreans currently in Korea make it through to the pool play?

On April 04 2012 20:33 Gamegene wrote:


They're all going to be in Vegas on NA o:

On April 04 2012 20:37 weaknurse wrote:

Every single one of these players are all at the same event?
My error.

On April 04 2012 20:32 Moneyscoop wrote:
Ahh poor HuK...i hope he'll make it through the bracket!

On April 04 2012 20:54 Azurues wrote:
even if the player made out of the open bracket, i think they will be exhausted from playing so many matches especially players from Prime and Startale with even bigger burden on them

On April 04 2012 19:43 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Damn NonY got a bad Bracket T_T

On April 04 2012 21:07 KobraKay wrote:


What about Dimaga? O.o lol...there are plenty of foreigners who show emotion and plenty that dont. Same as koreans. I really dont get why people keep using that argument....

On the bracket. Stacked would be an understatement! It's going to be a nice weekend no doubt

On April 04 2012 21:08 Eufouria wrote:

Every bracket is bad. They're all full of Code A/S Koreans and players who are as good as Code S players but can't actually qualify for Code A.

Its literally impossible to predict who's going to come out.
Like bracket 2, I think, 'well July and Curious should get through,' but you have to win 4 games and HerO, JYP Annyung, Sound, Violet, Sleep or even the better foreigners in the bracket could take them out.

I'm still gonna try though, if I get 1 player right in each bracket I think that would be a success :D

Bracket 1: Virus (actually I think the most likely, he plays quite a safe mech style and I think that favours an open bracket where almost every player is good enough to take a game off another) and maybe Oz.

Bracket 2: July (he's go the advantage that, unless you're a regular in code S or the top of theKorean server you probably haven't played a Zerg like him) and Curious

Bracket 3:Ghostking and Squirtle

Bracket 4: Maru and Taeja.

Also who is JPEG? Its the only Korean I can't recognise, do they have another ID?

On April 04 2012 21:08 Gamegene wrote:


we just like seeing people cry :<

On April 04 2012 21:06 rombetotto wrote:
tlo will hit killer again in round 2. such bad luck.. and its a lot of liquid guys meeting pretty early in their bracket i think.

On April 04 2012 21:06 Presidenten wrote:
GL SaSe!!! he'll probably get past select and I think he has a great shot at taking down mvp as well

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 18:08 Orracle wrote:
Really makes me happy to see that the bracket is so spread out. Not really any matches where two big name players are going to be faced being put into the loser bracket in the first round. Should provide some great games.

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

On April 04 2012 22:05 Eurytos wrote:
Are group games bo3 or bo1?

On April 04 2012 22:08 Seldentar wrote:


Yea but poor NoNy is going to have to face Leenock, and I can't imagine him pulling the upset. He's almost guaranteed to go to losers bracket immediately T.T

On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?

On April 04 2012 22:21 zul wrote:

I disagree.

There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who.

On April 04 2012 22:23 Bumblebee wrote:

It's not about disagreeing. I'm not saying it should be like this. I'm just interested in what you guys think because I don't really know my own opinion on it yet.

On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?

On April 04 2012 22:29 zelgadissan wrote:
Gogo silvaWare! Random fighting

On a side note, poor Nony Sometimes it seems like the matches he gets are designed to knock him out early

On April 04 2012 22:22 Tenks wrote:
When did HasHe switch to Toss?

On April 04 2012 22:33 pumpy145 wrote:
I see MVP decimating bracket 3

On April 04 2012 22:54 Eufouria wrote:

I don't know I initially thought 3 was the least stacked but on closer inspection you have Select, SaSe and ToD, who are 3 of the stronger foreigners in the bracket. And representing the Korean swarm MVP, Ghostking, BBBB, Heart and then Prime and Startale's resident Terran killers, Creator and Squirtle.

MVP has looked a lot more mortal nowadays and Squirtle and Ghostking are looking so strong.

On April 04 2012 23:03 ZenithM wrote:
How scary is it when you're a random Protoss player in the open bracket, you don't follow the scene very much, and your first opponent is a Korean Terran player named GhostKing?

On April 04 2012 22:42 Schnell_ wrote:
Awesome! Wish there were more Europeans though.

On April 04 2012 23:34 Ripebananaa wrote:
Idra and Incontrol not going?

On April 04 2012 23:34 Ripebananaa wrote:
Idra and Incontrol not going?

On April 04 2012 22:26 Xoronius wrote:


I think, in thise case, you could argue, that it is better to swap the opponents. But than you run into the problem, that noone really knows, what the definiton of "equal skill" is. If you take the last MLG open bracket for example. Are Stephano and Polt equally skilled? Polt and Sheth? Stephano and Sheth? Stephano, Polt, Sheth and KawaiiRice (who came out on top of that bracket)? Who can say, that two guys would be equally skilled? And where is the border, between "equal" and "worse/better"? (And why are there still american flags on the MLG-LP-Page, April first is long gone?) I think, there is no real solution for this problem. MU´s are another factor. In the example you gave, if teamkills are allowed, Puma and HerO are the favorites, if you swap them, HuK and Ret would have the better chance.

On April 04 2012 18:16 RuMCaKe wrote:



With you cheering me on anything is possible!

On April 05 2012 00:03 TyrionSC2 wrote:
Interesting that startale enters their top dogs while prime saves mkp

@Dalguno

Just prepare for his all in lololol

On April 05 2012 00:03 TyrionSC2 wrote:
Interesting that startale enters their top dogs while prime saves mkp

@Dalguno

Just prepare for his all in lololol

On April 04 2012 18:20 Corsica wrote:
Dimaga vs Leenock should be good,a also now we have a tournament where we can say that noone had easy road to the finals

On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?

On April 04 2012 22:02 DamageControL wrote:

Sheth, Tyler, Jinro, and Haypro have to get to finals before a teamkill
Hero and Ret meet in quarterfinals
TLO, Taeja and Zenio are he worst, but they don't meet till quarter and semifinals. It honestly doesn't seem that terrible when you have 9 players in open.

edit: I'd prefer less liquids hitting, I love liquid, but i don't think it's that terrible.

On April 05 2012 00:26 Cascade wrote:
Wow, kindof stacked, yes! :o


It would be nice in a way, if you put it last, after you spread out all your seeds and whatever ranking the tourney is using. Then you could imagine that the random placing that is left got the extra constraint of trying to not make team kills.

Problem however, is that it would then be beneficial to be on a team with many other good players. For example, if Hero goes to a pretty small tourney (as favourite to win) but that doesn't have much previous seeds or ranking, most players would be very happy to be placed far away from hero, and would thus get an (imo unfair) advantage by being on liquid. And also the opposite, if another team with a lot of bad players went to the tourney, they would run a higher risk of being matched with a strong opponent. The bad players would be better of being teamless.

Imo, we don't need to make the strong teams even stronger, so I do not think this should be implemented. It sucks for liquid, I feel you, but I don't think it would work in the long run to take team into account when making brackets.

On April 05 2012 00:26 Cascade wrote:
Wow, kindof stacked, yes! :o


It would be nice in a way, if you put it last, after you spread out all your seeds and whatever ranking the tourney is using. Then you could imagine that the random placing that is left got the extra constraint of trying to not make team kills.

Problem however, is that it would then be beneficial to be on a team with many other good players. For example, if Hero goes to a pretty small tourney (as favourite to win) but that doesn't have much previous seeds or ranking, most players would be very happy to be placed far away from hero, and would thus get an (imo unfair) advantage by being on liquid. And also the opposite, if another team with a lot of bad players went to the tourney, they would run a higher risk of being matched with a strong opponent. The bad players would be better of being teamless.

Imo, we don't need to make the strong teams even stronger, so I do not think this should be implemented. It sucks for liquid, I feel you, but I don't think it would work in the long run to take team into account when making brackets.

On April 05 2012 00:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:

I would rather them take what team the player is on into account over the arbitrary "Well, this guy is good so we should start him off vs someone bad" ranking IPL used here.

Just a little interesting statistic; I counted up the Ro128 Matches and using a fairly loose judgement setting on "Will this be a close match or not?" I got:

53 ridiculously lopsided matches.
11 conceivably close matches.

I was also pretty generous with what I considered "conceivably close"

The matches I chose:
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On April 05 2012 00:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:

I would rather them take what team the player is on into account over the arbitrary "Well, this guy is good so we should start him off vs someone bad" ranking IPL used here.

Just a little interesting statistic; I counted up the Ro128 Matches and using a fairly loose judgement setting on "Will this be a close match or not?" I got:

53 ridiculously lopsided matches.
11 conceivably close matches.

I was also pretty generous with what I considered "conceivably close"

The matches I chose:
+ Show Spoiler +

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On April 05 2012 00:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:

I would rather them take what team the player is on into account over the arbitrary "Well, this guy is good so we should start him off vs someone bad" ranking IPL used here.

Just a little interesting statistic; I counted up the Ro128 Matches and using a fairly loose judgement setting on "Will this be a close match or not?" I got:

53 ridiculously lopsided matches.
11 conceivably close matches.

I was also pretty generous with what I considered "conceivably close"

The matches I chose:
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2012 00:50 m0ck wrote:

The purpose of a double-bracket qualifier is to decide the best players. Seeding players going into those brackets lessens the impact of having a good versus a bad draw. Correcting for teams makes the qualifier less fair. Which player do you move? And to which bracket? Fairness should in my opinion go before teams. Team affiliation is relatively unimportant in a single player sport. No reason to artificially heighten their importance.

On April 05 2012 00:49 Purple Haze wrote:
You must get pretty upset whenever you watch...any individual sport in the world. It's not exactly a new concept to save the closer matches for later in the tournament. I'd rather get the massacres out of the way early, and enjoy the upsets.

Are the losers brackets each linked directly to their respective winners bracket, so there's no mixing of players between brackets?

On April 05 2012 00:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:

So why not just seed everyone randomly? Wouldn't that be the "fairest" option available?