EPTAbout as impressed as you could be sitting on your golden throne looking down at the noob peasants =)
Blizzard negotiating SC2 with KeSPA directly - Page 19
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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please. | ||
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Reval
United States297 Posts
About as impressed as you could be sitting on your golden throne looking down at the noob peasants =) | ||
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captainshards
39 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:24 InoyouS2 wrote: Lolling hard at the BW guys saying things like 'SC2 should go, not BW', BW is going because it is ancient (and I mean goddamn ancient!), it may be a good game, but at the end of the day, technology and the advancement of technology controls everything in cyber space, SC2 is a technologically superior game to BW, and there is no arguing against it. When the organisation backing it decides it's time to pack it up, that's probably going to be that. No BW fans are saying SC2 should go, they are saying they dont want BW to go. BW is not going because it is "ancient". BW is not factually "ancient". Its not just a "good game", it is the greatest competitive game ever created. Technology and the advancement of technology has almost no unidirectional affect on art forms, which competitive starcraft could be considered. For every brand new shiny digital camera that comes out, hundreds of people rediscover film based cameras, and digital camera companies create effects plugins to recreate the look of older "inferior" technology. This is one example of thousands where "Newer is absolutely better" is not factually true. SC2 has been created with more recent technology. Sadly, newer technology doesnt necessarily mean better gameplay, especially for players looking for a particular kind of gameplay. If there is "no arguing against it", then why is every sentence you wrote easily argued against? | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3051 Posts
 I'd rather watch GSL/GSTL and have BW have its proleagues but that's just me. | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:41 skatblast wrote: And? are you a BW pro? if not then why would you care if sc2 is a little easier. Obviously not easy enough for you to play professional sc2 so dont complain about how easy it is? So I have to be a pro to point out the fax? Cool. | ||
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nbaker
United States1342 Posts
My feelings about SC2 aside, it sucks that our one important tournament is getting taken away from us to add to the hundreds of other sc2 tournaments. If BW progamers actually wanted to play sc2, they could switch on their own. This feels really unfair. Money's so gross | ||
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
On March 25 2012 05:58 captainshards wrote: "Everything must progress" Fallacy. Not only that, define "progress". Im not against SC2 at all, but these anti-BW posts are beyond aggravating. They go beyond personal preference and are intentionally spiteful and gleefully uninformed. How about "evolve" then. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote: I don't see why they have to eliminate BW Blizzard will push to eliminate it because bringing more people /bw pros into sc2 brings more attention to it and will sell more copies of the expansions. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:49 captainshards wrote: No BW fans are saying SC2 should go, they are saying they dont want BW to go. BW is not going because it is "ancient". BW is not factually "ancient". Its not just a "good game", it is the greatest competitive game ever created. Technology and the advancement of technology has almost no unidirectional affect on art forms, which competitive starcraft could be considered. For every brand new shiny digital camera that comes out, hundreds of people rediscover film based cameras, and digital camera companies create effects plugins to recreate the look of older "inferior" technology. This is one example of thousands where "Newer is absolutely better" is not factually true. SC2 has been created with more recent technology. Sadly, newer technology doesnt necessarily mean better gameplay, especially for players looking for a particular kind of gameplay. If there is "no arguing against it", then why is every sentence you wrote easily argued against? Brood war is backed by mostly IT or somewhat technology-based companies. Samsung, SK, KT. These companies are making their money on new, trendy, tech things. The older BW grows, the less they will want to back it up, and this is amplified by the decreasing ratings happening for the last few 2/3 years. It's sad but "new technology" is probably more valuable to them than "better competitive game". Brood War is nothing is there is no longer a PL or an OSL, sadly, and the backing of these companies is everything. So this guy, despite the offensive manner in which he's saying things, is probably right. The other games mentioned by people, baseball, chess, or even go etc, are not riding on the back of those companies, and are outside the field of technological innovation, hence don't have this kind of problem. hundreds of people rediscover film based cameras look up Kodak recently, and what happened to them when they failed to be pionneers in electronic imagery. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
Basketball when it was founded and basketball as it is are way different. 3 points for example. It was only introduced in 1960-ish. Rules change all the time even for something fundamental to the game. Hand checks, Zone Defence , 3 sec violations, etc. Same with soccer/football. Offside rule, Back pass rule. There are MAJOR rules that affect the fundamentals of the game and this was added along the way. In terms of equipment they do change as well. The sport shoes/spikes that are used by pros nowadays give them major advantages. Same with the ball. A lot of players complain all the time every time a new soccer ball is introduced every World Cup. It changed the game. Last world cup, players complained the way the ball moves were very unreliable and very hard to get used to and it caused corner kicks/ crosses to be way less accurate. I think mixed league is a bad idea though. Would rather it to be a separate league. Just wanted to say that the idea that a sport need to be eternally unchanging (?) to be viable is wrong in my opinion. A sport/e-sports/ game always need to adapt to adjust to the times. | ||
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captainshards
39 Posts
Well, it depends on what you are claiming is evolved. The UI? The gameplay? The graphics? Etc etc etc? Every single one of those can be easily argued to be in either games favor. Some claim that the UI is better in BW because it forces the player to be an utter master of control and unit AI prediction in order to get preferred results. Others say that an easier, smoother UI like in SC2 is better, as you arent hindered by having to worry as much about avoiding miscontrols. Same with graphics, some say that SC2 is harder to read, others say that BW is ugly looking. Either side can be proven about either game independently, but no end result, no uniform absolute can be found. Thats why its disgusting and depressing to see thousands of people saying things like "its old let it die durr hurr" "game suxx cuz my xbox looks better durr hurr". There are some massive fallacies circulating as gospel and they really are getting to be too much to handle for anyone with a brain. Neither game can be factually proven superior. Therefore rubbing it in the face of those who love BW and dont want to see it die should be nonexistent on this site in my opinion. Whats insane is, i actually am not against SC2 getting huge. I want to see a SC2 Proleague and i have since they first announced the game. But im very sad that BW has to apparently be killed off for that to happen. And the constant "told you so" trolling by SC2 fans is getting old fast. Its been old for a long time. | ||
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
also what will happen to the courage tounrament format that kespa has, will they be forces to let go of their control over the proscene or will there be the kespa proscene that exits alongside the international proscene | ||
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basket
Germany1 Post
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
If the player want to change then there is nothing you can do, I can't believe they will force teams and player to change to another game if they don't want to since the BW fans in SKorea will follow the players imo. Either way i'm happy for SC2 and the foreign scene, even if Kespa might want to change the rules of the game. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On March 25 2012 07:14 basket wrote: Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old. I see what you did there. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 25 2012 07:18 shell wrote: Calm down guys, i'm sure they will stay with BW if the players and the fans still want it. If the player want to change then there is nothing you can do, I can't believe they will force teams and player to change to another game if they don't want to since the BW fans in SKorea will follow the players imo. Either way i'm happy for SC2 and the foreign scene, even if Kespa might want to change the rules of the game. This has already been discussed here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323013 With that said, I rather than just do 1 game for 1 league and not both in one league because the results won't be pure. It would be a frigging joke. With that said, I'm going to link a blog with a lot of counter arguments to the old argument and the herpaderpadoo why aren't people gravitating towards it if its sooo goood. My response is on page 14. I don't want to sound like a robot: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=281060 | ||
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Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
I kid, I kid. Sorry BW fans but it's just rumors right now, so there may be hope for you. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
Kespa should use that from now on it would fix everything instantly. Neither sc2 or broodwar can compete separately against the best of both games. | ||
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