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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
captainshards
Profile Joined February 2012
39 Posts
March 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#321
"Everything must progress"

Fallacy. Not only that, define "progress".

Im not against SC2 at all, but these anti-BW posts are beyond aggravating. They go beyond personal preference and are intentionally spiteful and gleefully uninformed.



colingrad
Profile Joined March 2008
United States210 Posts
March 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#322
On March 25 2012 05:52 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl.

This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable.
For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv).


Be fairer, TL.


I agree completely. Would love to get a reason for why he was warned, or find out which mod did it or if anything will be done to said mod. It's hilarious that BW fans get away with more than SC2 fans do on SC2 forums, while if someone even as much as breathes a word of SC2 not being worthless in the BW forums its an automatic ban.


they may have possibly done it in an attempt to keep another bw vs sc2 flamewar from starting in this thread, which these things always seem to sadly degenerate to...
For the Emperor!
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 24 2012 20:59 GMT
#323
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 24 2012 21:01 GMT
#324
On March 25 2012 05:59 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.


Yeah, age is the only reason (besides no time and no skill) that I quit chess...
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 24 2012 21:01 GMT
#325
On March 25 2012 05:59 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.

I didn't knew baseball 2 came out.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 21:04:53
March 24 2012 21:03 GMT
#326
On March 25 2012 05:58 captainshards wrote:
"Everything must progress"

Fallacy. Not only that, define "progress".

Im not against SC2 at all, but these anti-BW posts are beyond aggravating. They go beyond personal preference and are intentionally spiteful and gleefully uninformed.



Please. There's a thread in the BW subforums discussing these kinds of rumours and the majority of people who displayed some sympathy to SC2's inclusion were practically lynched. You can't expect people in the SC2 subforum not to show some of the same attitudes when a few BW diehards get very negative about the rammifications of these negotiations =/

Hopefully people can at least try and keep their more extreme viewpoints confined to their relevant sub-forums if we can't manage to be somewhat civil.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
March 24 2012 21:03 GMT
#327
The elephants are coming I guess.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 21:05:38
March 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#328
On March 25 2012 06:01 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:59 Gheed wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.

I didn't knew baseball 2 came out.


Baseball is already the sequel and the first one is kind of lame.

Which I now realize makes it sound like I am trying to imply Brood War is kind of lame, but I am not. I like BW better, actually...
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
March 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#329
On March 25 2012 06:01 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:59 Gheed wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.

I didn't knew baseball 2 came out.


Everyone knows Baseball is the sequel to rounders.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#330
On March 25 2012 05:58 colingrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:52 hunts wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl.

This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable.
For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv).


Be fairer, TL.


I agree completely. Would love to get a reason for why he was warned, or find out which mod did it or if anything will be done to said mod. It's hilarious that BW fans get away with more than SC2 fans do on SC2 forums, while if someone even as much as breathes a word of SC2 not being worthless in the BW forums its an automatic ban.


they may have possibly done it in an attempt to keep another bw vs sc2 flamewar from starting in this thread, which these things always seem to sadly degenerate to...


I suppose, it really is unfortunate that people can't have respect for both games, and so many have to get in their words of "glad BW is dying" or "sc2 is worthless" etc... But it's still quite odd that he gets a warning and people are free to bash SC2 without even a warning, and others also free to bash BW like they have been. It's quite sad, being I'm probably older than the majority of BW fans, and it's sad to see the game that I loved so much as a kid come to an end.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 24 2012 21:05 GMT
#331
On March 25 2012 05:55 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:44 Skullflower wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.


That's not even close to accurate in regards to the numbers that IPL and NASL get..


I have regularly seen NASL pull 600-700 viewers, that is NOT bullshit.


NASL is pretty unpopular, and there's so much stuff going on with SC2 almost every day that the different organizations are cannibalizing each other for viewers.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 24 2012 21:05 GMT
#332
On March 25 2012 02:54 bubblegumbo wrote:
I don't want to see professional BW die until SC2's expansion improved its game design drastically. Less A move units like mauraders and collosi, more units like vulture/spider mines and lurkers and reavers.

A million times this. I'd rather SC2 flatline than see BW go simply because high level BW is so much more fun to watch.

Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void need to bring some major changes to SC2 for it to even start to be a worthy successor.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
March 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#333
On March 25 2012 05:54 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 04:02 zezamer wrote:
Could you bw guys take your anger to your own forum ?


teamliquid is our forum. It was founded on BW. If your reasoning is gonna be like that, go found your own site based on SC2.


As far as the OP. It kills me to see BW die and watch my favorite BW pros play SC2. But Id rather see them play SC2 than retire entirely. At least I can watch them one way or the other.



lol "our forum?". I'm pretty sure the TL forum is, you know, TL's forum. You're talking like you had any responsibility in making this site. And there are infact a section for BW and a section for SC2. This is the one for SC2 where some of us quite frankly are getting tired of hearing about BW and how "bad" sc2 is comparead to it, when we feel SC2 is an amazing game.

No one has any more right to be on the forums whether they played one game or the other. What kind of weird predejudice wouldn't that be??
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
March 24 2012 21:17 GMT
#334
It's not necessarily a good thing when a juggernaut enters a market. For good or bad or both, (foreign) Esports as we know it will be forever changed. Beware, OGN is coming.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
March 24 2012 21:17 GMT
#335
On March 25 2012 06:03 Klogon wrote:
The elephants are coming I guess.


GOD is coming.. f**k the elephants
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 24 2012 21:19 GMT
#336
Well, this is awesome, adds a potentially new income and more money infusion for the top korean players
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
March 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#337
On March 25 2012 05:59 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 05:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.


I thought about playing baseball as a kid, but it's like 150 years old so I said fuck that.


Great comparison...or not.

Can we conclude that e-sports in that aspect is a bit different than real sports?

How much has baseball actually changed during 150 years?

And I don't mean as in there are better shoes/bats etc.

And now lets take the difference between BW and SC2 shall we?
ExistAxar
Profile Joined December 2010
India28 Posts
March 24 2012 21:22 GMT
#338
Oh man , I'd be so happy if Sc2 replaced BW in Pro League :L . About time it became #1 Esport in Korea.
"Glory Glory Man United"
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 24 2012 21:22 GMT
#339
On March 25 2012 06:17 vanhio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 06:03 Klogon wrote:
The elephants are coming I guess.


GOD is coming.. f**k the elephants


Nestea already plays SC2. Don't anger nestea, or he will awake from his dream and all of us will cease to exist.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
March 24 2012 21:23 GMT
#340
Really happy to think we may see the BW legends playing some SC2 soon. Really sad that they may stop playing BW though. I can be both :|
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