Naniwa's group is not too bad. He's actually good at PvP and DRG isn't in there so Naniwa has a real chance. He's beaten MVP before and Ryung has bad TvP.
On March 19 2012 17:56 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa's group is not too bad. He's actually good at PvP and DRG isn't in there so Naniwa has a real chance. He's beaten MVP before.
"As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly."
Glad to see Gom accommodating the players and allowing them to go to MLG now cause DRG and STC wouldn't be able to attend MLG playing day 1 if the group days weren't switched.
There's actually only 2 groups with no MLG players, so ideally you play them in this order. B, D, A, C.
All the groups look awesome minus A and D. Also looking forward to the new maps! I thought they would be tested in GSTL before being used in CodeS.
Also puzzled as to why the season 1 finalists were placed into group A and B. I guess it really doesn't matter since there will be a group selection for Ro16.
I think group F is thoughest group... Squirtle is on a roll lately, MMA is MMA, Leenock seems to be somewhat back on track again and Nada always delivers...
I hope they change Atlantis a bit. I don't like the 3 Gas base ( with one of them rich ) mechanic in the middle. That's like a gold base equivalent for zerg and protoss, while terran don't care for gas at all at the stage you take that.
It made for silly games in the KSL where Z/P can't spend all their gas because they got so much of it.
Sick groups. everything is hard now >.> but that means Code S is going to be fucking awesome!! Predicting A: DRG, TaeJa B: Genius, SuperNoVa C: Marineking, aLive D: GuMiho, HerO E: MC, Nestea F: MMA, Squirtle G: Puzzle, Mvp H: PartinG, Oz
On March 19 2012 17:58 Canucklehead wrote: Best part of the group announcement.
"As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly."
Glad to see Gom accommodating the players and allowing them to go to MLG now cause DRG and STC wouldn't be able to attend MLG playing day 1 if the group days weren't switched.
There's actually only 2 groups with no MLG players, so ideally you play them in this order. B, D, A, C.
Yes I wasn't sure if GOM was going to do this or not after hearing that Polt wasn't sure if he was going to Columbus because he was waiting on the GSL announcement. Plus DRG and StC would be seriously screwed they didn't do this.
Really glad they decided to step up after the MLG Winter Arena debacle, that really made me think poorly of them when I had zero hard feelings beforehand. >_<
On March 19 2012 18:15 LimitSEA wrote: DRG to take two GSL's in a row. Calling it now.
I think it's time for a Protoss champion. I'm even calling a PvP finals. On another note, Code S is so good now, mostly death groups to me :D
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you were right on both fronts, with how well some of these Toss are playing right now. But at the same time, I don't see many people that can beat DRG right now.
haha came here having a feeling these would be up.
Glad Atlantis Spaceship is entering the map pool, that was one of my picks for what I'd like to see in the gsl. Ohana is pretty cool too. No more of this crossfire nonsense. Still in awe that Dual site has survived. It's not even about balance, I just feel the map quickly became played out in terms of entertainment, and the aesthetics aren't much to look at either anymore. It's just stale.
Also, HOLY FUCK. Nestea vs MC shall not be denied this time :D muhahahaha.....less Inca's DTs actually work on Nestea for once -.-. I also think Naniwa has a good chance getting out of his group. Ryung tvp isn't great, MVP is in a nosedive right now and tvp is his weakest, and Puzzle is pvp so....
Seems like the upper-tier code S players are pretty well spread out too, so that's just gravy for the later rounds. Totally buying the ticket this time.
The fact that there's great difficulty in determining a true Group of Death only speaks volumes of the quality and depth of those who qualify and maintain in GSL Code S.
I think MMA's group is the hardest, Leenock and Squirtle have both looked strong lately, and Nada is Nada. I mean just look at it, four players tied on 300 points and who gets bumped up to tier two? I bet the tiebreaker was "number of Starleague titles", or maybe they had an abs contest to decide who got it (sorry Leenock).
Couple of pretty weak looking groups this time though too.
lol, i don't see a single "weak group"
D is very flimsy. Then there's groups like E and F where 2 overwhelming favourites are against 2 lesser players.
I'm sure there'll still be lots of good games regardless =)
F is almost the hardest group wtf.
MVP and Puzzle are massive favourites. Don't kid yourself.
I'll believe Naniwa can win in the GSL when I actually see it, not an isolated weekend at a MLG.
Ryung is going to get rolled by everyone in the group.
===
e: oh balls lol, I wrote the wrong group haha. Yeah F is stacked and I said as much in my original post lol ><
Lol I figured you meant to put something like G when you originally wrote F. I was like... Asha watches a lot of GSL... he's gotta know F is stacked...
Couple of pretty weak looking groups this time though too.
lol, i don't see a single "weak group"
D is very flimsy. Then there's groups like E and F where 2 overwhelming favourites are against 2 lesser players.
I'm sure there'll still be lots of good games regardless =)
F is almost the hardest group wtf.
MVP and Puzzle are massive favourites. Don't kid yourself.
I'll believe Naniwa can win in the GSL when I actually see it, not an isolated weekend at a MLG.
Ryung is going to get rolled by everyone in the group.
===
e: oh balls lol, I wrote the wrong group haha. Yeah F is stacked and I said as much in my original post lol ><
Lol I figured you meant to put something like G when you originally wrote F. I was like... Asha watches a lot of GSL... he's gotta know F is stacked...
This is now going to go in a cycle of me trying to clear things up with edits while people quote the pre-edited post and then I reply to that and then edit an addition but someones replied to the other already isn't it TT
==
Does anyone know if #1 and #2 got to pick their T4 opponents again? I find it interesting that DRG would pick TheStC over Virus or Maru.
On March 19 2012 18:21 FuRong wrote: Wow, DRG gets a group with three Terrans.
I think MMA's group is the hardest, Leenock and Squritle have both looked strong lately, and Nada is Nada. I mean just look at it, four players tied on 300 points and who gets bumped up to tier two? I bet the tiebreaker was "number of Starleague titles", or maybe they had an abs contest to decide who got it (sorry Leenock).
F is group of death for me. It's got big contenders like MMA and Leenock. And then you have big name value with BW legend Nada. And of course there's Squirtle, who is hyper evolving.
On March 19 2012 18:26 Polygamy wrote: I think that Nani might actually have a chance of getting out of his group.
He's definitely the underdog but Ryung and Puzzle are beatable for him normally imo and Mvp hasnt been himself lately. Naniwa could finish top 2 in the group if he comes out and plays great. This is one of the best possible groups for him looking at the code S lineup imo
On March 19 2012 18:26 Polygamy wrote: I think that Nani might actually have a chance of getting out of his group.
He's definitely the underdog but Ryung and Puzzle are beatable for him normally imo and Mvp hasnt been himself lately. Naniwa could finish top 2 in the group if he comes out and plays great. This is one of the best possible groups for him looking at the code S lineup imo
Ryung sucks at vP and PvP between players of moderately equal skill can go anywhere.... naniwa has a decent shot indeed.
Weird how DRG didn't choose the weakest terran Virus. TheStc is really a huge question mark, huge potential with tons of innovative technical builds. Jjakji and Taeja are easily top 5 TvZers. Against that caliber of terrans, even if you are the best ZvTer in the world, it can go either way depending on maps, luck and form on that day. Glad DRG only has to practice for 1 matchup though.
Both zergs might get knocked out in Grp C T.T
Wouldn't be suprised if inca beats nestea. Inca actually is pretty good in PvZ but with weak execution. He either looks like a genius or a skrub in his games. We might finally get our long-awaited MC vs Nestea. Need some lessons on holding off toss all-ins.
MMA also has a small chance of getting knocked out if he loses against squirtle, then goes on to face Nada. TvT is a huge mind-game, imo with more volatility than ZvZ. Tons of all-ins and greedy builds recently, seldom see any in-between builds.
Tough road in front of MVP. TvT specialist with 2 very good PvTers.
On March 19 2012 18:38 babysimba wrote: Weird how DRG didn't choose the weakest terran Virus. TheStc is really a huge question mark, huge potential with tons of innovative technical builds. Jjakji and Taeja are easily top 5 TvZers. Against that caliber of terrans, even if you are the best ZvTer in the world, it can go either way depending on maps, luck and form on that day. Glad DRG only has to practice for 1 matchup though.
Both zergs might get knocked out in Grp C T.T
Wouldn't be suprised if inca beats nestea. Inca actually is pretty good in PvZ but with weak execution. He either looks like a genius or a skrub in his games. We might finally get our long-awaited MC vs Nestea. Need some lessons on holding off toss all-ins.
MMA also has a small chance of getting knocked out if he loses against squirtle, then goes on to face Nada. TvT is a huge mind-game, imo with more volatility than ZvZ. Tons of all-ins and greedy builds recently, seldom see any in-between builds.
Tough road in front of MVP. TvT specialist with 2 very good PvTers.
Inca will get smashed by Nestea unless nestea is really out of form. We have seen that fight before. And no way in heck does TvT have more volatility than ZvZ...
On March 19 2012 18:42 ZenithM wrote: Man I so want MKP to have a GSL :D MKP-DRG finals or PvP finals, I predict one of the two... ... And don't ask me why :D
PvP finals isnt out of the question with 10 protoss, protoss looking strong lately, a lot of the protoss are getting pretty good. I could see Genius, MC, Squirtle, PartinG and Oz at least getting close to the finals, possibly a few other toss. I feel like DRG is the only Zerg playing well enough to challenge for it, though.
I think the groups were balanced pretty well this time around. Despite the poll I don't think any of these groups remotely comes close to being a group of death, although group A would be the closest. Poor Naniwa drawing a PvP. He hasn't gotten very lucky in terms of his GSL draws. At least there are 2 terrans in his group.
On March 19 2012 17:58 anonymitylol wrote: None of the groups are too stacked, I'm just excited for the 2 new maps :3
Also, I voted C because nobody else will and I wanted to show aLive and Zenio some love <3
They are all stacked except D
How are people really thinking the Parting/Fin etc group is the best? There are at least two groups way stronger...
Parting is a beast PvT. Polt is a beast TvP. Oz is a beast at PvP. Fin is ForGG and a beast in general.
Parting/Polt is going to be amazing. Squirtle tried Parting's style in the Tournament of Champions against Polt and was actually stopped. I'm sure Parting executes it better, but it should be an epic TvP.
On March 19 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote: Holy shit, Group H.
Parting, Fin, Polt and Oz? Good news is that this means Polt can go to Columbus! Yeah!
Looks like that doesn't matter, as DRG and StC would have been screwed if not for
As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly.
On March 19 2012 18:18 keeperton wrote: Does this make Dual Sight the oldest map in the current pool?
Yeah. I thought it would be first to go before Belshir, since the new Belshir is a lot more balanced after its many tweaks. Dual Sight just feels very antiquated to me. Too small.
I still prefer the two new maps over Belshir and Crossfire though.
The groups are pretty balanced. Mainly it is due to the fact that the rankings are from last seasons results.
Tier 1 - Last season Ro8
Tier 2 - Last season Ro16 (except Nada replaces Ganzi since Ganzi didn't make Code S)
Tier 3 - Last seasons Ro32 + Code A players who won all their matches (didn't have to go to Up and Down)
Tier 4 - Code A players who qualified from Up and Down and the 2 seeds
So the balance in terms of player skill and recent performance is very good. Of course, you will have things like match ups and play styles to consider. But overall, don't think we can complain about any of the groups.
As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly.
I guess they'll move Group A back. Group H should stay the same since Parting and Polt both want to go to MLG, I presume.
Honestly, looking at the groups, which one DOESN'T have a player who is qualified/wants to go to MLG? Group B, I guess, I don't think any of those players will be going.
On March 19 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote: Holy shit, Group H.
Parting, Fin, Polt and Oz? Good news is that this means Polt can go to Columbus! Yeah!
Looks like that doesn't matter, as DRG and StC would have been screwed if not for
As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly.
I guess they'll move Group A back. Group H should stay the same since Parting and Polt both want to go to MLG, I presume.
Honestly, looking at the groups, which one DOESN'T have a player who is qualified/wants to go to MLG? Group B, I guess, I don't think any of those players will be going.
Is Hero going MLG? if not, that's another group available
Hmm yeah I guess they will just move group B up a day and leave everything else as is.
I assume Hero is going to MLG as it is definitely an event he has a chance of winning but I am not really sure there has been any official word of that yet. I know all of Liquid will be at IPL4 but not sure if something was said about MLG.
Question; Do the finalsts still get (did) pick there 1st opponents like last season? If they did, DRG picking STC should make his group not that hard! Which i agree with his group is not that hard for someone dubbed "the best" ZvTer xD
InCa vs NesTea by far the biggest match of groups :3
Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed Edit: drg should have no problems too since its he only needs to prepare for one race. And its his strongest match up
There's still GSTL loser's finals to play, so oGsTL, FXO, StartaleQ and NsHoseo are going to be missing players - I forsee TheStC, Oz, Naniwa and Leenock missing from GSTL play if they attend MLG. PartinG's not attending MLG so I assume Haypro is replacing him there.
Pity about July though, was hoping he can win this gsl since he is going into the army. Don't really think he has a chance of making it past this group stage
On March 19 2012 19:22 SeventhPride wrote: Pity about July though, was hoping he can win this gsl since he is going into the army. Don't really think he has a chance of making it past this group stage
July is playing extremely well lately, I wouldn't be surprised if he tops the group. Probably hoping for MarineKing and July for that one :D
On March 19 2012 19:22 SeventhPride wrote: Pity about July though, was hoping he can win this gsl since he is going into the army. Don't really think he has a chance of making it past this group stage
July is playing extremely well lately, I wouldn't be surprised if he tops the group. Probably hoping for MarineKing and July for that one :D
I hope so, it would be nice if he makes it to the finals.
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
On March 19 2012 19:30 Demizzle wrote: It's like people completely forgot that Nestea sucks at ZVT and ZVP... I'm rooting for the guy but c'mon, try to be a little less delusional.
If nestea sucks at both z v t AND z v p. Then doesn't that mean he is a terrible player? Since he sucks at 2/3 of the match ups?
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
If you mean the player who 1/1/1 protoss and pull scvs TWICE to defeat huk is good, then you are saying players who abuse a game mechanic is considered good? Well then, you truly are terran! congrats!
It's like people completely forgot that Nestea sucks at ZVT and ZVP... I'm rooting for the guy but c'mon, try to be a little less delusional.
Sure, he is not as dominant as back in July 2011. But he did get Ro16 last season, didn't do well at MLG Arena. But he actually played really well to win the MLG Korean qualifiers where he beat aLive, Ganzi, Killer, Oz and Parting. Just because not many people watched it, doesn't mean it shouldn't count.
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
If you mean the player who 1/1/1 protoss and pull scvs TWICE to defeat huk is good, then we can say to you, players who abuse a game mechanic is considered good? Well then, you truly are terran! congrats!
It's like people completely forgot that Nestea sucks at ZVT and ZVP... I'm rooting for the guy but c'mon, try to be a little less delusional.
Sure, he is not as dominant as back in July 2011. But he did get Ro16 last season, didn't do well at MLG Arena. But he actually played really well to win the MLG Korean qualifiers where he beat aLive, Ganzi, Killer, Oz and Parting. Just because not many people watched it, doesn't mean it shouldn't count.
And his lost was against 2 of the finalists of the last gsl, I don't get why people just assume nestea sucks now. He even manhandled keen .
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
If you mean the player who 1/1/1 protoss and pull scvs TWICE to defeat huk is good, then we can say to you, players who abuse a game mechanic is considered good? Well then, you truly are terran! congrats!
In my honest opinion, i only see one thing in here. I say it is time for the God of the Universe to shine one more time. I don't know why, i can feel it. Goooooooooogogo Nesteaaa ! C'monn gooogogogogo ! ♥ :D
A: DRG/StC B: Genius/Supernova C: MKP/aLive D: Gumiho/Curious E: MC/Nestea F: MMA/Nock G: Mvp/Puzzle H: I cannot tell this is probably the hardest group to guess. I want it to be PartinG and ForGG.
This is going to be really good I'm glad I have a ticket
On March 19 2012 20:15 Shardz wrote: Dam, it's hard to see anyone getting out with a easy time other than people like DRG with a all TvZ group.
DRG could struggle, the terrans in his group are crazy good.
Yep, I don't know about DRG vs TaeJa but Jjakji lost 2-3 against him last time.
But he has the advantage of practicing only one match up well the other terrans has to prepare for 2 match ups. This is huge since you can just practice your build against one race again and again without worries
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
If you mean the player who 1/1/1 protoss and pull scvs TWICE to defeat huk is good, then you are saying players who abuse a game mechanic is considered good? Well then, you truly are terran! congrats!
What a horrible argument. First you say winning is all that matters and then you go on to toss aside a win of his simply because of how he won.
I would recommend that you stop your posting or atleast think for a second before you make stupid posts.
A and G are scary groups holy crap. Id say DRG will have an easy time getting out of a group of terrans since that is his specialty but the second place will be a hard one to call.
Cannot wait for Mvp v Ryung. I hope everyone remembers the Slayers v IM GSTL match when we first met Ryung and saw that awesome TvT on Crossfire that Mvp finally won using BC's. Ryung was in tears after losing it but that match gave him an immediate aura of being a TvT specialist.
On March 19 2012 20:31 Ghanburighan wrote: Cannot wait for Mvp v Ryung. I hope everyone remembers the Slayers v IM GSTL match when we first met Ryung and saw that awesome TvT on Crossfire that Mvp finally won using BC's. Ryung was in tears after losing it but that match gave him an immediate aura of being a TvT specialist.
On other news, MKP has a great chance.
I hope Ryung gets far this season xD
I always see him as the black sheep of slayers. His sullen expression he has all the time only contributes to this image
naniwa won't qualify he's by far the weakest player in the tournament no idea why he's there I guess it's for the foreign attention but whatever. MKP will advance along with Zenio but that is a tight group. IMMvp will advance
On March 19 2012 20:42 creamer wrote: naniwa won't qualify he's by far the weakest player in the tournament no idea why he's there I guess it's for the foreign attention but whatever. MKP will advance along with Zenio but that is a tight group. IMMvp will advance
who else deserved the seed?
so the top 8 players (is that the top 8 from last season, or in overall points?) get placed one in each group, the finalists get to pick one player for their group, and then from then on its completely random? that right?
poor naniwa, seems like nearly ever foreigner entered into the GSL gets really really unlucky with groups
Cool to see more foreigner maps. Atlantis Spaceship seems to be a really good map.... not sure about Ohana, but with it being added into the ladder pool I guess it seemed to be a reasonable choice.
July can totally make it through ^_^ Don't fancy MMA's group.. Nada, Squirtle, Leenock.. that's rough for all of them. Mini-July and real July fighting!
On March 19 2012 19:19 SeventhPride wrote: Ahh.. nestea got a easy group. At least thats one zerg confirmed
You calling MC easy?
See the other 2 players bro.
Interesting you'd call Virus easy since he was so incredibly close to knocking out NesTea last time they met, and NesTea certainly isn't getting any stronger these days.
lol, do you really watch the gsl? Virus is widely considered one of the underdogs. Sure he came close to knocking out nestea, but the question is DID he knock him out? No? Then why mention it? Having a close game doesn't mean anything, winning is all that matters
Rofl, one of the closest series of the GSL is not a one sided matchup. Virus is always overlooked, doesn't mean he is a poor player. He played extremely well in the up and downs. You're the one that perhaps should watch the GSL a bit closer.
If you mean the player who 1/1/1 protoss and pull scvs TWICE to defeat huk is good, then you are saying players who abuse a game mechanic is considered good? Well then, you truly are terran! congrats!
What a horrible argument. First you say winning is all that matters and then you go on to toss aside a win of his simply because of how he won.
I would recommend that you stop your posting or atleast think for a second before you make stupid posts.
LOL, I remember you, you are the anti zerg poster. To you anyone who supports zerg is stupid. What a joke, if winning BY ABUSING is called a win then sorry, we are on different page here. Your win involves being abusive, my win is clean. Different people different opinions, leave the internet if you can't accept people's opinions.
I think naniwa has a very realistic chance of advancing. If remember correctly ryung doesn't have great TvP, MVP is having issues with his arms + headache and pvp is always winable.
On March 19 2012 20:46 Seeker wrote: Interesting...... who changed the title of the OP?
Mods do that when they promote a thread to Community News.
GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S Groups and Code S Groups - GSL 2012 Season 2
What's the difference?
More relevant information first.
That way, skimming through thread titles on the side, "Code S Groups" is more attention-grabbing and reveals more information about the thread than "GSL 2012 Season 2..."
On March 19 2012 20:32 Moneyscoop wrote: In Group H it is Oz not Z
His nick is always FXOz, FXO is the team so technically his nick is Z. He never uses FXOOz
It's still Oz. It used to be FXOptikZero. It is still OptikZero, not... ptickZero. He uses FXOz because he doesn't want the double O, it should still be Oz. Not just Z
Looks like a good group for Hero! Eager to see how well naniwa does this time around... He's beaten MVP before so we'll see... Should be a good season!
Group A: DRG & Jijakji Group B: Genius & SuperNoVa Group C: aLive & MarineKing Group D: Hero & Gumiho Group E: MC & Nestea Group F: MMA & Leenock Group G: MvP & Puzzle Group H: PartinG & Oz My predictions: )
On March 19 2012 20:46 Seeker wrote: Interesting...... who changed the title of the OP?
Mods do that when they promote a thread to Community News.
GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S Groups and Code S Groups - GSL 2012 Season 2
What's the difference?
Looks more official and you more easily see the words Code S groups on the side bar
o.O I personally think that having the tournament title first makes it look more official, but I get their name change, having CODE S GROUPS first is more eyecatching :D
Only Hero group imo is 'easy'. Code S looking scary when 7 out of 8 groups are groups of death. But most deadly i'll proly give to A or H. Can't decide.
On March 19 2012 21:36 SirBlackJack wrote: If Naniwa can't make it out of his group. Out of which one would he be able to?
There are a lot of groups, which would be easier.
C for example if he replaced aLive or MKP or the one with Nestea in it
If he replaced aLive or MKP, I still think July and Zenio are favoured against him. If he was in Nestea's group, I reckon Inca and MC would take him out. Nestea, well prepared, will probably win as well
Group A: DRG & TaeJa Group B: Genius & SuperNoVa Group C: aLive & MarineKing Group D: Hero & Curious Group E: MC & Nestea Group F: MMA & Leenock Group G: MvP & Puzzle Group H: PartinG & Polt
Well, I don't thin Nani would be a favorite to make it out but he has a decent shot. It depends on which Puzzle will show up. Puzzle seems to be a very up and down player. If Nani can win vs Puzzle, then I think he will make it.
Most other groups it's pretty easy to predict two to advance, either that or at least one stand out candidate to advance.
No idea why anyone thinks Group A is group of death, you have two GSL champs in there and two people they will beat. Polt/Parting/Fin/Oz obvious group of death.
On March 19 2012 21:37 warcralft wrote: Only Hero group imo is 'easy'. Code S looking scary when 7 out of 8 groups are groups of death. But most deadly i'll proly give to A or H. Can't decide.
How is Hero's group easy? In fact, I voted it as group of death. 4 players who are, insofar as I can tell, extremely near each other in skill level. Far more group-of-death-esque than DRG's group, that to be fair, DRG should have no problems at all getting out of (the other three is a toss up imho).
Hero's group has Gumiho, who is probably slightly better than the rest in his group, but has to prepare for all 3 matchups (as does Maru), Maru, who is a completely loose cannon with great mechanics and Curious and Hero, two proven Code A warriors, but never really made it in Code S and are eager to prove themselves.
MKP and aLive are currently two of the best Terran in the world and should make it through, but every single Liquid player has been having a great year and July is a perennial figure in esports - he knows how to prepare specifically for a player.
Any two could emerge as the victors of this group and it wouldn't be surprising - thus - "Group of Death."
That being said, there are a lot of interesting groups and GomTV may just get me to finally buy that membership.
On March 19 2012 22:12 OrD_SC2 wrote: Seems that pp are underestimating Group C.
MKP and aLive are currently two of the best Terran in the world and should make it through, but every single Liquid player has been having a great year and July is a perennial figure in esports - he knows how to prepare specifically for a player.
Any two could emerge as the victors of this group and it wouldn't be surprising - thus - "Group of Death."
That being said, there are a lot of interesting groups and GomTV may just get me to finally buy that membership.
Also, the new maps should be good... I'm assuming the new Ohana will be the ladder version, and I think that Atlantis Spaceship has pretty unique gameplay!
DRG 1 race to practice matchup. Very good for him yet is a hard group.
Inca- as much as i want him to win, and enjoy his play since open seasons... He's screwed Genius- Easy group he better go carriers 1x LOL Group F is Tough as hell. Alive- Had great mech play last season, but what about this season vs Zerg? Shall be interesting. MKP - Can he out marine/tank Alive? its been awhile since I've seen alot of MKP vs Z games...so I'm excited. Hopefully we can get some MKP vs Losira type of matches going Naniway - He's got a great shot if he can take ryung down I think he can get through. I don't see MVP trying to cheese him. Group D is Tough as hell as well. Fin/Oz- really like there chances to get through there group.
I thought the last season had a great player pool, but this one is even better. Code S is so stacked these days that all the groups look amazing. That said, some look tougher than the others. The hardest ones would probably be A and H. I am especially looking forward to group H, all four players could win the whole thing.
Bold choice by DRG to pick TheStC. TheStC will have plenty of time to come up with strategies and is overall an awesome player. While DRG is still my pick for the favourite of the group it wouldn't surprise me if that came back to haunt him.
Some really great rematches scheduled too. Polt vs fOrGG, NesTea vs Inca and MKP vs aLive should all be awesome. All in all, the only thing this GSL needs to be the best one yet is a good run by MKP.
I like how the majority vote for DRG's group as the group of death, seemingly not understanding what "Group of Death" means.
Can't wait for this to all start, love the new Code S, I'm not going to skip any of these groups as I have a few times in the past. They are all too good.
I can't wait for MVP to roll Naniwa. Naniwa is not a good prepared tournament player and MVP is one of the best at this type of tournament. MVP will study every game of naniwa and make him look like a joke! MVP fighting!
On March 19 2012 17:58 Canucklehead wrote: Best part of the group announcement.
"As some players will participate in overseas tournaments, the groups will most likely be played in a different order. If there should be any changes to the schedule, the schedule page on GOMTV.net will be updated accordingly."
Glad to see Gom accommodating the players and allowing them to go to MLG now cause DRG and STC wouldn't be able to attend MLG playing day 1 if the group days weren't switched.
There's actually only 2 groups with no MLG players, so ideally you play them in this order. B, D, A, C.
DRG in a dream group for him, only Terran to prepare for. Jjakji might be the only one who's going to give him problems. Decent group for Naniwa aswell i feel same as HerO. Not so lucky for Zenio, but then again some way he always makes it back in code S.
I really want to see Naniwa win his group for the sake of foreigner relevancy. The way he adapts his builds real-time in large and fast LANs shows me that he'll probably be able to play a strategy v MVP no matter how he tries to open, he'll have a response. Depending on his showing in the first stage I think he may be poised to go deep, if he can play Code S tournament style. I hope his supporting crew can prepare him well.
I'm liking that the zergs are pretty in position to move up (including a few lesser respected ones!) so that we won't have GomTvP, TvT, or PvP.
On March 19 2012 23:28 TG Manny wrote: I'm liking that the zergs are pretty in position to move up (including a few lesser respected ones!) so that we won't have GomTvP, TvT, or PvP.
Zergs only need DRG though....
I really hope for Naniwa to win the group. If he wins it though I can already hear it:
"that korean was bad, it was pvp what do you expect, MVP is ill, Naniwa all inned, etc"
A:DRG, Jjakji B:Supernova, Genius(with Seed a close 3rd) C:aLive, July D:Gumiho(EZ), Hero E:Nestea, MC(anything other than these two would be a real shock) F:MMA, Leenock(could easily be any of these four though...I pity them) G:Naniwa, MVP H: Parting, forGG
Group A should be not too bad for DRG, not really that hard compared to what it could have been. Interesting that DRG picked theSTC as opposed to Maru/Virus. Taeja needs to win his first match to have a real shot. BboongBboongPrime is the obvious choice if Genius wanted to pick a Zerg; I'm looking forward to more hallucinated collossi than you can shake a stick at coming from Seed; who knows if Supernova will be able to handle it? Group B will make for some very exciting games. Group C we will watch to see if alive is Super-alive again, or if his play is somewhat mediocre. if alive doesn't come in with good form, I favor July/MKP. Hero has a really good shot at making it out of group D. He won't beat Gumiho, but he has a decent shot at anybody else there. Curious could be a real positive surprise, but I expect him to be back in Code A relatively quickly. MC/Nestea got the easiest T4/T3 players they could have. I give Inca no higher than 5% chances to get out of his group. Virus is the dark horse in that group. Group F is the group of death, people. Easily. Squirtle is the most underrated protoss player in the entire tournament; Nada is Nada, and I don't have either of those two making it out of the group. It's hard to pick against MMA or Leenock, though both looked human last season. Rooting for Leenock to carry the Zerg torch, and pulling for NaDa to knock MMA out. Group G is going to be so dependent on the first two matches...if Ryung beats MVP, which is not unthinkable, Naniwa could maybe dodge him altogether by winning 2-0. Other people have said that puzzle can be quite the....okay, Puzzle does not always have good form. I rank Puzzle below Parting for sure; of all the protoss players that Naniwa could have pulled, Puzzle is perhaps the easiest. Still, it won't be easy for him. One also wonders what sort of form MVP will be in...and you can imagine him thankful that there are no zerg in his group after the way he lost to Seal in teamleague the other day. Hopefully his TvT is improved from when we saw him go down 4-1 against Gumiho last season. Last, but not least group H. Parting, the Protoss darling of last season, in a group with Oz, prior holder of the title. Hopefully one of the two can beat their Terran opponent; nobody wants to see a PvP to decide who is going down to Code A 0-2. Fin will be favored if he plays against Polt; we know Polt loves his bio play. The real question mark is how Oz is going to play. How is he adapting to the new protoss lategame against terrans, and is his PvP up to snuff?
Oh my god, this code S is more stacked than ever before. Few of these guys don't have potential to win it all (poor Nani). Every group I set my eyes on I feel like damn the two players that are going to be knocked down to code A are so unlucky.
On March 19 2012 23:28 Lysanias wrote: DRG in a dream group for him, only Terran to prepare for. Jjakji might be the only one who's going to give him problems. Decent group for Naniwa aswell i feel same as HerO. Not so lucky for Zenio, but then again some way he always makes it back in code S.
Well I'd like to see Zenio for once get a favorable group...poor guy..has the worst luck on draws...
I guess Polt can't dog MMA for getting a non-traditional qualifier route to code S anymore. Not sure if he did in the past (Killer did though, I believe), but with any luck for Polt, he'll have the same success as MC, MMA, and DRG have had. However, I predict Parting and forGG.
Naniwa may own like at MLGs or he may get thrown out like he has in the past. It's very hard to predict, except I don't think he'll probe rush. Ryung seems an underdog, but I don't hate his chances.
I think DRG might finish 4th in his group, but not 3rd. The upset will be swift or it won't happen. He's strong mentally so in a 2nd/3rd place match between two 1-1 players, he'll be likely to keep his composure, probably more so than the others in his group. Of course if he plays his best from the outset, he's favored to win the group.
MMA also just needs to bring his A game: he should already be taking it more seriously, with the race variety and other recent upsets to motivate him. + Show Spoiler +
like losses in GSTL and that series vs Puma at IEM
Leenock should do his thing and be the 2nd in group.
MC and Nestea should meet in the winner's round and then MC will probably win with his current form and Nestea's recent struggles. He's still strong at ZvP I assume, but MC has improved more, imo. Does Inca or Virus pull an upset? Inca vs Nestea is like 99% Nestea, while he has decent chances vs MC. Virus is underdog regardless of how well he's playing recently.
Groups B, C, and D each look like they could have one player per group do really well and be called the next "best of their race," except for MKP, who's the strongest out of all 12 of those. Genius/Supernova; July/MKP; Hero/Gumiho to advance. The code S newbies like Seed and Maru will probably choke just enough to lose, even though you'd think they're about equivalent to their opponents.
very manageable group for naniwa hope he can make a r08, mvp hasn't played up to his level lately and puzzle and ryung are beatable. See group A and F as the groups of death, however there is no really weak group in code S nowadays.
Poor ForGG, he's in a group of death. TvP isn't one of his best matchups statistically, although his Up and Downs he did show pretty good TvP at least taking out Brown, Killer and Huk. I really hope he makes it, but with TvP as it is these days, I fully expect at least Parting or Oz to make it, or even Polt.
On March 20 2012 00:13 kvn4444 wrote: very manageable group for naniwa hope he can make a r08, mvp hasn't played up to his level lately and puzzle and ryung are beatable. See group A and F as the groups of death, however there is no really weak group in code S nowadays.
There's a difference between code S and foreign tournaments, even though some code s players are at foreign events. You know who your opponent in advance and are able to prepare. That's what koreans excel at. Making build orders to destroy someone's playstyle. Naniwa will be last in his group because he does the same builds. See leenock vs naniwa. Leenock learned naniwa and crushed him because naniwa isnt a very varied player. Edit: Also this is why idra gets destroyed, hes one dimensional like naniwa. And the reason why huk maintained code S for so long and can keep up with koreans is because he changes his playstyle and relies on micromanagement more than solid builds.
On March 20 2012 00:13 kvn4444 wrote: very manageable group for naniwa hope he can make a r08, mvp hasn't played up to his level lately and puzzle and ryung are beatable. See group A and F as the groups of death, however there is no really weak group in code S nowadays.
There's a difference between code S and foreign tournaments, even though some code s players are at foreign events. You know who your opponent in advance and are able to prepare. That's what koreans excel at. Making build orders to destroy someone's playstyle. Naniwa will be last in his group because he does the same builds. See leenock vs naniwa. Leenock learned naniwa and crushed him because naniwa isnt a very varied player. Edit: Also this is why idra gets destroyed, hes one dimensional like naniwa. And the reason why huk maintained code S for so long and can keep up with koreans is because he changes his playstyle and relies on micromanagement more than solid builds.
On March 20 2012 00:13 kvn4444 wrote: very manageable group for naniwa hope he can make a r08, mvp hasn't played up to his level lately and puzzle and ryung are beatable. See group A and F as the groups of death, however there is no really weak group in code S nowadays.
There's a difference between code S and foreign tournaments, even though some code s players are at foreign events. You know who your opponent in advance and are able to prepare. That's what koreans excel at. Making build orders to destroy someone's playstyle. Naniwa will be last in his group because he does the same builds. See leenock vs naniwa. Leenock learned naniwa and crushed him because naniwa isnt a very varied player. Edit: Also this is why idra gets destroyed, hes one dimensional like naniwa. And the reason why huk maintained code S for so long and can keep up with koreans is because he changes his playstyle and relies on micromanagement more than solid builds.
nani very recently beat leenock at mlg arena. he does forge expand almost every game yes, but in that same tournament he showed he can do different things. he closed out his series with nestea with a proxy 2 gate correctly guessing nestea would 15 hatch. if he cna play his game i can see him going through his group as #1.
How is the first one the hardest one? DRG will crush everyone there and jjakji is on an other level then stc and especially taeja.
Anyways pretty decent group, the first 4 don't really excite me, but the 2nd half looks awesome. I feel kinda bad for nestea, this is the kind of group where he'll play around 6 games where is is miles ahead and then looses.
If Naniwa plays as good as he played at recent mlgs he'll make it out no problem.
On March 20 2012 00:47 Lorch wrote: How is the first one the hardest one? DRG will crush everyone there and jjakji is on an other level then stc and especially taeja.
Anyways pretty decent group, the first 4 don't really excite me, but the 2nd half looks awesome. I feel kinda bad for nestea, this is the kind of group where he'll play around 6 games where is is miles ahead and then looses.
If Naniwa plays as good as he played at recent mlgs he'll make it out no problem.
Potentially the best player in the world Terran who won the highest level GSL final ever Terran who's been terrifying for ages, though admittedly somewhat inconsistent Terran who's similarly terrifying and has shown ability to destroy everyone, but suffers from nerve issues
You vastly underestimate Taeja and TheStC. They would be favoured to get out of most groups.
On March 19 2012 22:44 joocybaneling wrote: wow DRG has it easy he only has to practice ZvT
You really think he has to practice Zvt?....
Terran EZPZ.... You should watch the vods for MLG arena...DRG ate theSTC...it wasn't pretty...
Even though DRG has the best vT ratio of the top Korean Zergs (64%) I still think Jjakji and/or Taeja will give him a run for his money stylistically and mechanically. (Taeja has been winning the Korean weekly for like forever, and have you seen the showmatch between him and IdrA? (lol ok but seriously Taeja is a beast Terran) and Jjakji, who is also a GSL champ, has the best vZ along with MMA)
theSTC might be able to pull off some wacky builds or hit timings DRG might not expect and get a clutch win, since I think theSTC is more of a "brain" terran like Polt/MVP is and is extremely smart and calculating (as opposed a brute hurrican force Terran like MMA/Gumiho/Jjakji)
I don't know man.....even though I am like the biggest DRG fanboi I think this group will be very tough for him X_X
Group A: DRG, jjakji Group B: Genius, Seed Group C: MKP, Zenio Group D: Maru, Hero Group E: MC, Nestea Group F: MMA, Leenock Group G: Puzzle, Naniwa Group H: Polt, Parting
100% accurate finals prediction bonus! MarineKing defeats Parting 4-3!
Is the ESV_Ohana the awful looking ladder version, or is it the beatiful original? I seem to recall that the mapmaker said that all the versions would have to be the ladder version...
On March 20 2012 01:05 MajorityofOne wrote: 100% accurate group predictions!
Group A: DRG, jjakji Group B: Genius, Seed Group C: MKP, Zenio Group D: Maru, Hero Group E: MC, Nestea Group F: MMA, Leenock Group G: Puzzle, Naniwa Group H: Polt, Parting
100% accurate finals prediction bonus! MarineKing defeats Parting 4-3!
Happy liquibetting everyone!
Mvp will show you why you should not burry him so quickly
On March 20 2012 00:47 Lorch wrote: How is the first one the hardest one? DRG will crush everyone there and jjakji is on an other level then stc and especially taeja.
Anyways pretty decent group, the first 4 don't really excite me, but the 2nd half looks awesome. I feel kinda bad for nestea, this is the kind of group where he'll play around 6 games where is is miles ahead and then looses.
If Naniwa plays as good as he played at recent mlgs he'll make it out no problem.
Potentially the best player in the world Terran who won the highest level GSL final ever Terran who's been terrifying for ages, though admittedly somewhat inconsistent Terran who's similarly terrifying and has shown ability to destroy everyone, but suffers from nerve issues
You vastly underestimate Taeja and TheStC. They would be favoured to get out of most groups.
TheStC has really weak tvz, that's why he's a really solid pick from DRG. He may still get out of the group on his tvt, I think 2nd place in that group is pretty up in the air.
Naniwa drew the best group possible. Both Terrans are not too strong in TvP and Puzzle can be very inconsistent in all matchups. I feel he can advance.
On March 20 2012 01:28 Echo_ wrote: Parting/Oz = PvT masters
Polt/Fin = TvP masters
How is this not the resounding choice for group of death?
Regardless, I am as giddy as ever for this season's GSL.
Although it is my group of death, I chose it as such due to my view that the players are all of similar level. I don't feel as though Polt and especially Fin as tvp masters, I'm pretty sure parting and oz will move on.
On March 20 2012 00:55 FuzzyJAM wrote: Potentially the best player in the world Terran who won the highest level GSL final ever Terran who's been terrifying for ages, though admittedly somewhat inconsistent Terran who's similarly terrifying and has shown ability to destroy everyone, but suffers from nerve issues
You vastly underestimate Taeja and TheStC. They would be favoured to get out of most groups.
The highest level GSL final ever was won by DRG. theSTC was not even the best terran in his up and down group in an absolute sense...sC was extremely sick/unwell. The competition in that up/down was also basically lower than the others. The achievement there was that he made it through. That does not make him favored in this group, or any other. Remember, DRG picked theSTC. Not Maru, not Virus, not Polt. theSTC. It wasn't for lack of options in the matchup.
Taeja...has not played a good Zerg or a good Terran in quite some time on TV. His opponents in last code a were TSLMyWay, FXOLucky, and ST Squirtle. Of those, squirtle made it through the up and downs, Lucky is not in Code S this season, and MyWay...I don't think myWay is in the GSL currently. So we haven't seen much if anything from him in the last 3 months in the matchups he's expected to play. He's a dog in the matchup against DRG no matter what, and theSTC is likely to be favored. Beating Jjakji will be his best shot. He may have to do it twice.
Jjakji is good, and should be favored to get out. He's not unbeatable. Check out his games from group A in Season one. His macro was sloppy in both the first sets against Sen, even though he went 2-0. His decisionmaking is not terrible, and he had a good run to his GSL. But I don't think he's top 5 at his own race currently. If he has a bad season, it starts to look more like he had a deep run at a particular time and place, not that he has long-term staying power.
On paper, the group is solid. But it's hardly a group of death.
On March 20 2012 01:28 Echo_ wrote: Parting/Oz = PvT masters
Polt/Fin = TvP masters
How is this not the resounding choice for group of death?
Regardless, I am as giddy as ever for this season's GSL.
Although it is my group of death, I chose it as such due to my view that the players are all of similar level. I don't feel as though Polt and especially Fin as tvp masters, I'm pretty sure parting and oz will move on.
I have to agree there. I know that Polt/Fin aren't the best TvP but they are pretty darn good at it. Although, every Code S Terran seems to have really good TvP in my eyes of course .
On March 20 2012 01:38 lowercase wrote: I still think group F is the hardest - MMA, Leenock, Squirtle, and Nada.
I have to disagree. MMA should straight up brute force his way through this group. Depending who plays who first, it will likely be Leenock as 2nd. Although, I haven't seen much of Squirtle to be fair.
Good for Naniwa that he plays Ryung first. If Puzzle beat MMA he can get out of group first. But again. their group will be played in a month. A lot of time for everyone to practice.
On March 19 2012 23:21 Miah121 wrote: I hope MC gets out of his group. With the way DRG is playing, it seems only the godly vZs of MMA and MC can take him down.
If MVP can overcome his wrist issues he will be back with full force and can kill DRG as well. Lets see if that is gonna happen.
On March 19 2012 23:58 Ansinjunger wrote: I think DRG might finish 4th in his group, but not 3rd. The upset will be swift or it won't happen. He's strong mentally so in a 2nd/3rd place match between two 1-1 players, he'll be likely to keep his composure, probably more so than the others in his group. Of course if he plays his best from the outset, he's favored to win the group.
YES! I am so happy that Squirtle is in Code S this season! My favorite underrated protoss! Also, looking forward to MC advancing, I can't imagine that his group will be too hard for him to get out of.
So man blanks... Of group F the only thing I know is that Nada probably won´t make it. Mvp can make it if he can beat Naniwa. Naniwa is nowhere near the level of Mvp overall but MvpvP has not looked too great on IMTV. I am still pretty confident. Jjakji advancing is actually just a wild guess as well...
On March 19 2012 23:21 Miah121 wrote: I hope MC gets out of his group. With the way DRG is playing, it seems only the godly vZs of MMA and MC can take him down.
If MVP can overcome his wrist issues he will be back with full force and can kill DRG as well. Lets see if that is gonna happen.
What did MVP do to his wrist...do we have another TLO lingering type of injury that took what most of a year to deal with? That would be very sad.
On March 20 2012 02:03 MythicRule wrote: DRG vs JJakji is gonna be insane. And yh i think naniwa has a v good chance of progressing and even getting 1st in that group.
good groups for aLive and Polt. aLive got one of the two only groups without Protoss, while Polt got Protoss players to stomp just the way he likes it.
Therefore calling those players to advance:
Group A
DRG & TaeJa (Current Champ + TaeJa, who just looks to be on fire lately, especially in his TvT games)
Group B
Genius & SuperNoVa (Genius should be locked, but if SuperNoVa doesnt find a way out of his slump, he might find himself losing to BBong tho)
Group C
aLive & MKP (OMG, this TvT might be the sickest of the whole damn season, cant wait!!!)
Group D
Maru & HerO (this is a wild guess, I believe this will be Marus season to really step up from GSTL into the spotlight of solo leagues, and HerO just looks fantastic right now and should overcome his nerves finally)
Group E
MC & NesTea (pretty easy picks)
Group F
MMA & Leenock (both MMA and Leenock rly need to improve their vP matchups tho)
Group G
MVP & Puzzle (sry Nani Fanboys, this wont be his big "breakthrough" :p)
Group H
Polt & PartinG (Polt should be locked here, and PartinG looked good last season, he might do it again)
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
I expect Genius to take pretty hard this time around. In the team lead drg said genius was having a hard time and genius didn't come to the event + the history of people who came in 2nd place falling hard.
I do really look forward to Jjakji vs DRG (if this match happens ofc). Best ZvT against best TvZ, should be amazing! And yeah ofc Group A as the hardest group by far!
On March 20 2012 02:42 Heimatloser wrote: genius/drg pretty stupid picks. they would have gotten a weak t4 anyways, they should have chosen a weak t3 or t2 player like curious, hero or fin.
They are only allowed to pick out of Tier 4, so they could not have made those picks.
the groups are stacked... naniwa to probe rush MVP please!
also, why not selection ceremony??? Dont' know why GOM doesn't invest something into putting that together, what's better than seeing the players interact and maybe give good quotes and/or ceremonies.
On March 20 2012 02:50 TeeTS wrote: I do really look forward to Jjakji vs DRG (if this match happens ofc). Best ZvT against best TvZ, should be amazing! And yeah ofc Group A as the hardest group by far!
On March 20 2012 02:54 amazingoopah wrote: the groups are stacked... naniwa to probe rush MVP please!
also, why not selection ceremony??? Dont' know why GOM doesn't invest something into putting that together, what's better than seeing the players interact and maybe give good quotes and/or ceremonies.
The Group Selection is moved in the new format to after the round of 32 is complete. It will happen in the new season on the 15th of April. IMO they made the change to make things easier on players who are newly qualifying for Code S. It used to be that the winner of the GSL would just pick someone from the up and downs and MVP/Nestea were flat outclassing them in the bo1 format. With the new format, only the semifinalists get to choose. Even though they can still pick players from the up and downs, the format with bo3 is more forgiving for the rest of the qualified players.
Plus, if you pick wisely in the group selection stage at the round of 16, you might have two shots at a bo3 to make it into the round of 8 and secure your code s spot for the next season. Choose poorly, and you might be going down to code a or the up and downs. And 16 players is a lot more manageable timewise than the 32 player version....it used to last like 4 hours.
Provided Naniwa doesn't have the "I'm a foriegner playing in the GSL" panic that almost every other foreigner (and him in the past) have had, he has a very good shot of coming out of the group, and a chance at 1st if he can best MVP again
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
ZvT never was his weakest matchup, quite the opposite is true ever since GSTL.
And now he also beats the worlds best Protoss players (MC, Genius, PartinG etc) as well, while his ZvZ games tend to be closer and he lost to Leenock at MLG Providence. Dunno, he might be unstoppable in mirror now as well.
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
ZvT never was his weakest matchup, quite the opposite is true ever since GSTL.
And now he also beats the worlds best Protoss players (MC, Genius, PartinG etc) as well, while his ZvZ games tend to be closer and he lost to Leenock at MLG Providence. Dunno, he might be unstoppable in mirror now as well.
Pretty sure at the most recent GSL finals they showed him with ZvT 65ish% ZvP 76% and ZvZ 80%. Or about those numbers.
On March 20 2012 03:44 radiantshadow92 wrote: the only person i see naniwa beating in his group is ryuung.
Mvp is also beatable. The last time they played eachother, Nani won and that was before MVP got wrist problems.
Not exactly right. MVP has wrist problems for a long time already, it only got stronger recently...
R yung and MVP are beatable. And so is Puzzle! PvP is dependant on the form of the very day. NaNiwa actually has an awesome PvP He just doesnt play it very often...
On March 20 2012 03:44 radiantshadow92 wrote: the only person i see naniwa beating in his group is ryuung.
Mvp is also beatable. The last time they played eachother, Nani won and that was before MVP got wrist problems.
Not exactly right. MVP has wrist problems for a long time already, it only got stronger recently...
R yung and MVP are beatable. And so is Puzzle! PvP is dependant on the form of the very day. NaNiwa actually has an awesome PvP He just doesnt play it very often...
His PvP is like his other matchups: fairly standard/safe (as far as that is possible in PvP). This means that he is very strong against people who don't know his matchup very well, but less great against people who can predict his builds and weaknesses.
If Puzzle hasn't prepared specifically to cater to Naniwa's playstyle, I give him a pretty good chance.
Finally no Zerg in Naniwa's groups so hopefully we can see a real match instead of cheesefest. Also i think he is about the same level as Puzzle so the group is fairly balanced. Mvp hasnt been doing well lately at all and Ryung's TvP is relatively bad.
On March 19 2012 23:28 Lysanias wrote: DRG in a dream group for him, only Terran to prepare for. Jjakji might be the only one who's going to give him problems. Decent group for Naniwa aswell i feel same as HerO. Not so lucky for Zenio, but then again some way he always makes it back in code S.
You do realize DRG helps jjakji practice for Leenock right?
On March 20 2012 03:44 radiantshadow92 wrote: the only person i see naniwa beating in his group is ryuung.
Mvp is also beatable. The last time they played eachother, Nani won and that was before MVP got wrist problems.
Not exactly right. MVP has wrist problems for a long time already, it only got stronger recently...
R yung and MVP are beatable. And so is Puzzle! PvP is dependant on the form of the very day. NaNiwa actually has an awesome PvP He just doesnt play it very often...
I always has wrist problems. Unfortunately, the problem is so bad that I get stuck in Diamond. Without wrist problem I'm easily Code S level
On March 19 2012 23:28 Lysanias wrote: DRG in a dream group for him, only Terran to prepare for. Jjakji might be the only one who's going to give him problems. Decent group for Naniwa aswell i feel same as HerO. Not so lucky for Zenio, but then again some way he always makes it back in code S.
You do realize DRG helps jjakji practice for Leenock right?
jjakji also helped him practice for mma, which means jjakji should be able to know his builds a bit better
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
Yeah ZvT isnt his weakest matchup necessarily as he was known as a ZvT specialist in his GSTL early days. However, it is his weakest mu statistically which is probably more due to the fact of korean Terrans being TvZ monsters rather than DRG being weak in it.
I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
I´m pretty sure starcraft doesn´t give so much money it´s actually worth it as a career if you don´t love playing it.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
Stephano is much more the mercenary type (again nothing wrong with it) whereas Naniwa is more about winning and just wanting to win every game you play.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
trollololololol
why stay in korea and earn absolutely nothing when he could pick up easy money in small foreign tourneys lite stephano? if anything the way naniwa has acted has shown he doesnt play for money but to win
Puzzle will win this GSL. I know I've been saying that for some seasons now but this time this is his. He has shown that when he plays his best his PvT is second to none.
On March 20 2012 05:19 lowercase wrote: Who is FXO_Z? I'm going to guess here that's actually FXO_Oz!
FXOOZ looks silly so he is FXOz but Koreans don't seem to bother about IDs because call all of the players by their real names so I'm pretty sure that he just does not care ;p
Poor ogsfin getting put in another group of death, although code s seems to be extra stacked and not many groups even have a player assured to make it out.
I'm not crazy about the inclusion of Atlantis Spaceship in the mappool. I think maps with gimmicky 3 gas, of which 1 high, expansions need to be avoided. There's no real issue early game, but endgame it swings the balance too much in ZvT. We've just gotten rid of gold bases, do we really need this?
On March 20 2012 05:44 Derez wrote: I'm not crazy about the inclusion of Atlantis Spaceship in the mappool. I think maps with gimmicky 3 gas, of which 1 high, expansions need to be avoided. There's no real issue early game, but endgame it swings the balance too much in ZvT. We've just gotten rid of gold bases, do we really need this?
Yeah, I don't see how Terran can win lategame TvZ on such a map :/
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
As other posts have already said, you really don't understand Naniwa's mindset at all, he plays for the competitive drive of the game, not for $$$.
On March 20 2012 05:42 chosenkerrigan wrote: lol @ all the people who actually think naniwa has a chance to beat MVP in the GSL setting. So cute.
What makes the GSL setting so special? The difference is really only a socially constructed difference between any other tournament setting, such as MLG where Naniwa beat MVP. There's plenty of logical points that you could go for, such as perhaps nerves, tournament format/preparation, and whatnot, but you're not making any reasoned point, you're just making a snide comment.
These groups all look great. Tons of delicious ZvT this season right from the start. I hope DRG and Leenock can make it through to the later stages of the tournament.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
If he wants to play for $$$, he woulda stayed in EU. You don't play in GSL for $$ unless you are Korean.
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
Yeah ZvT isnt his weakest matchup necessarily as he was known as a ZvT specialist in his GSTL early days. However, it is his weakest mu statistically which is probably more due to the fact of korean Terrans being TvZ monsters rather than DRG being weak in it.
Exactly. If you look at who he's actually lost to: MMA(5 times), sC (3 times), Taeja (2 times), Mvp (1 time), SuperNoVa (2 times), GuMiho (3 times), Happy and Clide (ok that one is a little weird) once each, pretty much everyone he's lost to in Korea is a TvZ beast. He is undefeated against MKP in Korea. He's 1-1 vs Mvp. Only SuperNoVa and MMA have beaten him in a series longer than bo1. He has his lowest win % in this category but the player pretty much responsible for that is MMA. It's like how at one time everyone was like "nestea is so bad at zvt he only has a 54% win rate" back when nestea was still kicking a lot of ass and it was because he had like 12 losses to Mvp. winning percentages can be deceiving
On March 19 2012 18:00 Zzoram wrote: MC's group looks good for him too, he should advance from that.
I'm a big fan of MC's, but his group definitely won't be a cake walk. I give him a 80% chance of beating Virus, 60% chance of beating Nestea, and a 45% chance of Inca.
MC's PvP seems to be his worst match up of late and, if anyone remembers, Inca's PvP's what made him a GSL finalist >.>
On March 20 2012 02:45 TheBJ wrote: I really dont know why , but i think drg will be out ;/
dont think so, he got his favorite matchup ZvT three times in a row, if he got Leenock or NesTea that would be dangerous for him as he struggles mostly just in his ZvZ
It will be a tough group for him ZvT is his weakest match up at this level if i remember correctly. His ZvZ is his best % if I recall, so i dunno where that statement came from..
Yeah ZvT isnt his weakest matchup necessarily as he was known as a ZvT specialist in his GSTL early days. However, it is his weakest mu statistically which is probably more due to the fact of korean Terrans being TvZ monsters rather than DRG being weak in it.
Exactly. If you look at who he's actually lost to: MMA(5 times), sC (3 times), Taeja (2 times), Mvp (1 time), SuperNoVa (2 times), GuMiho (3 times), Happy and Clide (ok that one is a little weird) once each, pretty much everyone he's lost to in Korea is a TvZ beast. He is undefeated against MKP in Korea. He's 1-1 vs Mvp. Only SuperNoVa and MMA have beaten him in a series longer than bo1. He has his lowest win % in this category but the player pretty much responsible for that is MMA. It's like how at one time everyone was like "nestea is so bad at zvt he only has a 54% win rate" back when nestea was still kicking a lot of ass and it was because he had like 12 losses to Mvp. winning percentages can be deceiving
He lost against MKP in the first edition of the king of kong I don't remember the name. It's just not counted in TLPD, it's a special event. DRG has such a low percentage in ZvT because he did not play as good in code S as he was supposed to play. This is why he lost repetitively against the likes of SuperNova and didn't make a splash until last season. His current ZvT skill is very high and percentages doesn't mean anything out of context. For example Happy has a very high TvZ percentage, but most of his wins were against relatively average code A players, a long time ago before the blue flame nerf and all he was doing was some weird hellions opening into mech and maybe some bio games. This is why I was not surprised when he lost badly against July, I knew his TvZ wasn't anything special and even though it was on crossfire (hard for T in TvZ) I don't think that he would have beaten July in a more normal map.
On March 19 2012 18:00 Zzoram wrote: MC's group looks good for him too, he should advance from that.
I'm a big fan of MC's, but his group definitely won't be a cake walk. I give him a 80% chance of beating Virus, 60% chance of beating Nestea, and a 45% chance of Inca.
MC's PvP seems to be his worst match up of late and, if anyone remembers, Inca's PvP's what made him a GSL finalist >.>
SK.MC FIGHTING!!!
When I read that, my first thought was zomg 45% chance against Inca!? That's way too high......oh, wait. It's PvP, anything can happen, even without Bel'Shir Beach. And it is Inca, and he does make DT's, and mayyyyyyyyybe, just maybe, MC won't make detection. fwiw, though, if anyone has a 60% shot at Nestea in a BoX series, MC would be the one.
I'm going to be absolutely dumbfounded if Virus makes it out of that group. Unfortunately, Inca is also in that group, and I'd be absolutely even more dumbfounded if Inca makes it out. And even though I won't say any group is a "sure thing", it does pain me to know that if MC/Nestea don't win out, I'll be subjected to more DT's in the round of 16. Hell, I hope if MC/Prof T doesn't make it out, that Virus is the one. It doesn't ensure him a Code S slot, there will still be time to knock him into Code A, so he can fail at the Up and Downs without making the round of 16 worse.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
If he wants to play for $$$, he woulda stayed in EU. You don't play in GSL for $$ unless you are Korean.
or you want a korean vacation for 2-3 months while you get better and stay relevent there by increasing your value/earnings when you go to another team/contract. Being able to say you were in the GSL code S for 2-3 seasons is a gold mine from a foreigners perspective. Its not an instant payout but succeeding in the GSL is a long term successful decision.
Its like when TL picks up a player. That player will always be worth more and make more $$$ streaming etc and being apart of the TL community. Its not always an instant win/graitfication.
I really do think Naniwa is a mercenary. He doesnt play well with others, and he cares about winning because winning = getting paid. Being in Korea allows him to get better, and play against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis. 2 months in korea is > 2 months in EU as far as assisting your skill level.
If he cared about the game, being an professional or having a passion for the game he wouldn't probe rush on a TV match. It was a moronic thing to do and I didn't pay to see that shit. I don't care how butthurt your f'n ego is.
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him.
I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$.
If he wants to play for $$$, he woulda stayed in EU. You don't play in GSL for $$ unless you are Korean.
or you want a korean vacation for 2-3 months while you get better and stay relevent there by increasing your value/earnings when you go to another team/contract. Being able to say you were in the GSL code S for 2-3 seasons is a gold mine from a foreigners perspective. Its not an instant payout but succeeding in the GSL is a long term successful decision.
Its like when TL picks up a player. That player will always be worth more and make more $$$ streaming etc and being apart of the TL community. Its not always an instant win/graitfication.
I really do think Naniwa is a mercenary. He doesnt play well with others, and he cares about winning because winning = getting paid. Being in Korea allows him to get better, and play against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis. 2 months in korea is > 2 months in EU as far as assisting your skill level.
If he cared about the game, being an professional or having a passion for the game he wouldn't probe rush on a TV match. It was a moronic thing to do and I didn't pay to see that shit. I don't care how butthurt your f'n ego is.
Mercenaries "fight" because of the money. NaNiwa plays because he wants to become the best.
I do really think that DRG will be able to win his group. He has a pretty strong ZvT and as above mentioned MMA is responsible for most of his losses. Furthermore he did very well against MKP (even if he lost in the Winter Arena against him) and is still the highest ranked player in the GSTL Player Ranks (with only 3 losses vs Terran). In my opinion Jjiakji will be the hardest to fight for him until Round of 16 and I'm sure he will make it. Todays he seems to be the strongest Zerg all over the world an that's why it's up to him to increase his ZvT win ratio and not to disappoint his fans
Group predictions: A: Taeja/DRG (VERY hard choice) B: Genius/Seed C: aLive/MarineKing D: Gumiho/Maru E: MC/Nestea F: MMA/Leenock G: Puzzle/Naniwa (calling the upset here. MVP never had good TvP and ryung is one of the best TvT in world) H: Parting/Fin (hard choice)
I really do think Naniwa is a mercenary. He doesnt play well with others, and he cares about winning because winning = getting paid. Being in Korea allows him to get better, and play against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis. 2 months in korea is > 2 months in EU as far as assisting your skill level.
If he cared about the game, being an professional or having a passion for the game he wouldn't probe rush on a TV match. It was a moronic thing to do and I didn't pay to see that shit. I don't care how butthurt your f'n ego is.
honestly this whole mercenary argument is just retarded. if naniwa really only cared about the money, HE WOULDEN'T BE A FUCKING PROGAMER. did it ever cross your mind that if he is dedicating his career to one of the worst paying jobs out there, it might be because he loves playing starcraft?
Its pretty amazing that july and nada are able to return to code S so many times. I hope we get to see them play against each other in code s one day !
On March 20 2012 06:57 MasterKang wrote: Group predictions: A: Taeja/DRG (VERY hard choice) B: Genius/Seed C: aLive/MarineKing D: Gumiho/Maru E: MC/Nestea F: MMA/Leenock G: Puzzle/Naniwa (calling the upset here. MVP never had good TvP and ryung is one of the best TvT in world) H: Parting/Fin (hard choice)
Group A is definitely DRGs group to lose. All ZvT and he's known as the Terran Killer? Please. That group is a battle for second. B will probably be Genius and SuperNova, Seed and BboongBboong are untested in solo leagues for the most part. Group C is interesting to me, even though July is tier 4 or w/e he is fully capable of roach/bane busting his way into the top of the group. If last season is anything to go by, aLive will stomp face and another battle for second. I really want Hero to take Group D but Gumiho is pretty awesome these days and don't remember how Curious looks these days.
E is MC/NesTea. EZ. Group F I think Leenock will most likely get out, and Squirtle could actually sneak by if MMA's worst matchup is not up to par in their head to head, could lead to some weird tie break scenarios. Sorry Nani, your record in GSL is indicative of what you will do in the future. Group G is taken by Puzzle and an (apparently) injured MVP. Finally we have Group H which is a sick nerd baller group. Honestly any combination of 2 from those 4 players could get through, but I think Parting will get through and possibly Polt riding off of his second place in the LoneStar tournament OR Twilight/Oz instead.
Nani might have a hard time actually, Ryung has some of the best TvP late game in the world, so if he can take it that far I'd fear for Nani. Puzzle has good PvP (but then again so does Nani) but I guess MVP has always been bad at TvP so who knows!?
A: DRG and Jjakji or Taeja( it was hard ) B: Genius and Seed C: MKP and alive D: Hero and Gumiho E: MC and Nestea F: MMA and Squirtle G: Puzzle and MVP H: Parting and Polt
A: DRG, Jjakji B: Genuis, Seed C: aLive, MaringKing D: Gumiho, Maru (really tough group, but I'm going to say Maru takes second) E: MC, Nestea F: MMA, Leenock (another tough group, I'll go with Leenock though) G: MVP, Puzzle (nearly impossible to pick, I'm going with MVP to get back to some form and Puzzle to play exceptionally well, but realistically I could see any combination of players coming out of this group and wouldn't be surprised) H: Polt, Parting (group of death IMO. I'm confident in Polt, but its a coin flip between Parting/Oz imo. I'm going to say Parting to take second).
I hope MVP gets surgery for his wrists if he drops out early :/ With the new Seeding System GOM could give him his Spot back if his wrists are okay again. :<
Why keep Entombed, but remove Bel'shir? GSL really wants Protoss to win, apparently. Entombed isn't a good map, why are tournaments so hell-bent on using Blizzard maps
Hopefully Naniwa is able to get over his GSL jitters, and add some further dimensions to his play. If he can be at the top of his game and has been working on a multitude of builds, he has a good shot of making it out of his group.
I actually can't vote in the poll. I don't really think there is a group of death. This is going to be an interesting season. I think Naniwa has a fair chance to advance. So do HerO and Zenio in my opinion. Let's see if it's the year of Liquid with both of them going through their groups.
I hope Nestea's wrist isn't actually too badly hurt. Can't wait for this season.
On March 20 2012 09:44 SeventhPride wrote: Oh no, did anyone see this about IMNESTEA? https://twitter.com/#!/MrMLGAdam/status/181881418534760448 I think he might have trouble if his wrist doesn't heal in time. Now my zerg self is sad
There is no group of death! This is the tournament of Death !
So many amazing players!! Almost all of these players would be garanteed a top 3 finish in any other tournament than GSL Code S!
Only wish we had a few more Zergs then I'd definitely buy this season's pass but the ones we have are just gonna have to do amazingly as they often times do! ;D
As usual I'm really surprised with the poll results, in group A the clear winner should be DRG, while the only real action should be in the loser's match, I'd expect jjakji to take it, doesn't seem like too tough a group to predict. Group H, on the other hand, has Fin as the most likely loser, while one of the two protoss taking top place, while the real fight will be between Polt and whatever Protoss loses the PvP. I'd say Parting will take the group, and 2nd place should be between Polt and Oz.
Now group F is a goddamn hard group to predict, the reason being really simple: MMA is sort of slumping right now, he isn't at his best, which means he could lose to NaDa in a TvT, and certainly to Squirtle, who's been really on top of his game, while Leenock's crazy ZvT is a problem for any of both players.
Really hard to tell who's gonna come on top, NaDa should lose the group (), but it's tough to say anything besides that.
my predictions group A: (DRG+TheStC) With all those terrans DRG on top for sure. Either of the rest 3 can make it, but I'll choose TheStC. group B: (Seed+SuperNova) Seed looked strong and I still believe SuperNova to be good. Only voted against Genius due to the runner-up curse. group C: (aLive+MKP) aLive looked really strong last season and MKP looked really strong in MLG group D: (GuMiho+HerO) GuMiho almost made to the final last season and LiquidHerO love group E: (MC+NesTea) I doubt InCa could beat NesTea and Virus is just a virus. group F: (MMA+Leenock) MMA and Leenock are really good although Squirtle might come and surprise group G: (Puzzle+Mvp) Doubt Ryung could beat those 2 protosses and NaNiwa could beat everyone but I think I'll choose Puzzle and Mvp over him Group H: (Parting+Oz) Even though Polt looked really well in Assembly and Lone Star Clash, I doubt he could take out those beasts and Fin, well, he is overhyped for sure
Group A: DRG + any one of the 3 pretty evenly matched (taeja slightly weaker of the 3) Group B: Genius Supernova - bongbong and seed not at that level yet Group C: MKP July - mkp finally gets a (relatively) easy group Group D: Gumiho Hero - boring group imo Group E: MC Nestea - lol nestea vs inca open season 2 smash all over again Group F: MMA Leenock - sorry nada Group G: MVP Puzzle - aint happening this season nanny Group H: Polt Oz - bye parting, way overhyped
On March 20 2012 12:20 SpecFire wrote: Guys, what will happen to Nestea? He just got in a bad crash and severely hurt his wrist. He won't be able to play for awhile.
My heart. Screw predictions! If I bet with my heart more I would be better at predicting!
Group A - DRG + Jjakji Group B - Genius + B4 Group C - aLive + MKP Group D - Gumiho + Maru Group E - MC + Nestea Group F - Squirtle + Leenock Group G - Puzzle + MVP Group H - Polt + Oz
Totally expect MMA to advance, but I figure I'm going to start betting with my heart. Genius threw my head option out of the window last season and I felt bad =(
On March 20 2012 12:20 SpecFire wrote: Guys, what will happen to Nestea? He just got in a bad crash and severely hurt his wrist. He won't be able to play for awhile.
source?
For those asking leenock has gstl and nestea badly hurt his wrist in a wreck wish him well (he will be fine just recovery time)
On March 20 2012 12:20 SpecFire wrote: Guys, what will happen to Nestea? He just got in a bad crash and severely hurt his wrist. He won't be able to play for awhile.
source?
For those asking leenock has gstl and nestea badly hurt his wrist in a wreck wish him well (he will be fine just recovery time)
It also says he will be fine with recovery time. Maybe he just decided not to attend as it would aggravate it more and decided to rest it for his GSL matches? *shrug*.
EDIT: Speaking of which I remember NaDa playing Nestea in a long game on Tal'Darim on his stream just last night before I slept (12-1am Melbourne time).
On March 20 2012 12:20 SpecFire wrote: Guys, what will happen to Nestea? He just got in a bad crash and severely hurt his wrist. He won't be able to play for awhile.
source?
For those asking leenock has gstl and nestea badly hurt his wrist in a wreck wish him well (he will be fine just recovery time)
On March 20 2012 12:20 SpecFire wrote: Guys, what will happen to Nestea? He just got in a bad crash and severely hurt his wrist. He won't be able to play for awhile.
source?
For those asking leenock has gstl and nestea badly hurt his wrist in a wreck wish him well (he will be fine just recovery time)
I spent a good 15-20 minutes wondering who the fuck Z was. I googled him, TLpedia'ed him, only to realize that he was Oz.....damn I feel like an idiot =))
Tons of people voted Grp A to be group of death, but the majority seems to agree is DRG + Someone (most likely jjakji)'s group, true group of death is really hard to pick a favourite, i think that's group H. You could pick any random 2 players on that group to be top 2 and it would be acceptable.
Group A: DRG & Jjiakji Group B: Genius & SuperNoVa Group C: MKP & aLive Group D: GuMiho & HerO Group E: MC & NesTea Group F: MMA & Leenock Group G: Mvp & Puzzle Group H: Polt & PartinG
A: DRG/TheStC/TaeJa/jjakji - DRG + any of those three... damn stacked group, imo group of death B: Genius/BBBB/Seed/Supernova - Genius + Supernova, maybe BBBB can do an upset C: aLive/July/Zenio/MKP - MKP + aLive, sorry Zenio D: Gumiho/Maru/Hero/Curious - No clue at all :D Most even group, everyone could make it E: MC/Virus/Inca/Nestea - MC + Inca/Nestea, depends on who gets detection against Inca :D F: MMA/Squirtle/Leenock/Nada - MMA + Leenock/Squirtle, hard group G: Puzzle/Naniwa/Ryung/Mvp - Puzzle + MVP, foreigners gtfo Would love to see Naniwa advance but i doubt it H: Parting/Polt/Fin/Oz - Polt + Fin
I'm surprised that Seed is getting so little love from your predictions! He can easily beat both B4 and SuperNova and defeated Creator and Oz yesterday so I guess is PvP is solid as well
Group A: DRG & Jjakji Group B: Polt & Oz Group C: MMA & Leenock Group D: Puzzle & Naniwa Group E: MC & NesTea Group F: MKP & Alive Group G: Curious & Gumiho Group H: Genius & Seed
On March 20 2012 16:01 Kommander wrote: I spent a good 15-20 minutes wondering who the fuck Z was. I googled him, TLpedia'ed him, only to realize that he was Oz.....damn I feel like an idiot =))
For those of you predicting Genius to go on, I wouldn't bet on it. There are multiple sources that say he's going through a very rough stretch. I'm not sure what it is, but it sounded serious business..
On March 20 2012 21:58 nokz88 wrote: For those of you predicting Genius to go on, I wouldn't bet on it. There are multiple sources that say he's going through a very rough stretch. I'm not sure what it is, but it sounded serious business..
If this is true than it is basically typical Genius. Show up amazing for 1 tournament (Blizzcon 2010, GSL 2012 S1) and then return to gatekeeper of Code S Also, it would signify the return of the GSL runner up curse that Mvp kind of messed up after losing to MMA and then still making a ro4
I don't expect Mvp to do well this season, judging from recent results, but I find it funny how people are betting against Mvp on the basis that he has bad TvP, in fact if you look at his record he has pretty amazing TvP.
On March 20 2012 22:03 InoyouS2 wrote: I don't expect Mvp to do well this season, judging from recent results, but I find it funny how people are betting against Mvp on the basis that he has bad TvP, in fact if you look at his record he has pretty amazing TvP.
I think that he is still able to perform very well. He is still one of the best players out there and I am pretty sure that he will advance at least into Round of 16.
Hard to decide on Groups G and H, especially H, seeing just how even all of the players are. I'll give NaNiwa the chance to pass, seeing how Mvp is in a slump, and Ryung has a pretty weak TvP.
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
On March 20 2012 11:53 gideel wrote: Group C: MKP July - mkp finally gets a (relatively) easy group
July over aLive wont happen
On March 21 2012 03:09 Coolhwip wrote: Group H is sick. All groups are sick but daym, grp H ._.
well Fin is overrated.
The irony that you name yourself "GodOfWar" and yet you have no faith in July :p
Yea dunno why I'm seeing so many predictions of July not getting out. His ZvT is pretty damn good and he's playing better than I've seen him play in awhile, if ever. He's currently on an 8 game win streak in ZvT and this includes 2 wins over Happy, 1 over Supernova, and 1 over Boxer.
On March 21 2012 13:29 usethis2 wrote: Wait. What's the status of Slayers_Coca? I know he missed a couple GSLs due to a scandal but where is he standing as of now? Code B?
He lost in the last round of the Code A qualifier to oGsJookTo
On March 21 2012 12:55 usethis2 wrote: I kind of wish the following Terrans were not in:
oGs_Supernova ST_Virus oGs_TheStC
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
Virus I'll give you but theStC is just fucking amazing (supernova is pretty good too).
But I'll also agree that I'd trade my soul for MVP_sC back in code S where he belongs
On March 21 2012 13:29 usethis2 wrote: Wait. What's the status of Slayers_Coca? I know he missed a couple GSLs due to a scandal but where is he standing as of now? Code B?
He lost in the last round of the Code A qualifier to oGsJookTo
On March 20 2012 11:53 gideel wrote: Group C: MKP July - mkp finally gets a (relatively) easy group
July over aLive wont happen
On March 21 2012 03:09 Coolhwip wrote: Group H is sick. All groups are sick but daym, grp H ._.
well Fin is overrated.
The irony that you name yourself "GodOfWar" and yet you have no faith in July :p
God of War is a Playstation game, also Moon was the God of War(craft)
Or simply the Greek God Ares
Doesnt necessarily refer to July, who is hardly any "godlike" in SC2...
Fair enough. But I always thought of Moon as the 5th Race.
Still, considering how long of a progaming career that guys like Nada, Boxer and July have had, it is still great to see that they still have what it takes to hold with the top (usually). They are nowhere near the level of dominance that they had been during their peaks, but I am impressed by their longevity.
On March 20 2012 11:53 gideel wrote: Group C: MKP July - mkp finally gets a (relatively) easy group
July over aLive wont happen
On March 21 2012 03:09 Coolhwip wrote: Group H is sick. All groups are sick but daym, grp H ._.
well Fin is overrated.
The irony that you name yourself "GodOfWar" and yet you have no faith in July :p
God of War is a Playstation game, also Moon was the God of War(craft)
Or simply the Greek God Ares
Doesnt necessarily refer to July, who is hardly any "godlike" in SC2...
Fair enough. But I always thought of Moon as the 5th Race.
Still, considering how long of a progaming career that guys like Nada, Boxer and July have had, it is still great to see that they still have what it takes to hold with the top (usually). They are nowhere near the level of dominance that they had been during their peaks, but I am impressed by their longevity.
*GSL finalist* *gets first in his up/down group* *gets no respect*
On March 20 2012 11:53 gideel wrote: Group C: MKP July - mkp finally gets a (relatively) easy group
July over aLive wont happen
On March 21 2012 03:09 Coolhwip wrote: Group H is sick. All groups are sick but daym, grp H ._.
well Fin is overrated.
The irony that you name yourself "GodOfWar" and yet you have no faith in July :p
God of War is a Playstation game, also Moon was the God of War(craft)
Or simply the Greek God Ares
Doesnt necessarily refer to July, who is hardly any "godlike" in SC2...
Fair enough. But I always thought of Moon as the 5th Race.
Still, considering how long of a progaming career that guys like Nada, Boxer and July have had, it is still great to see that they still have what it takes to hold with the top (usually). They are nowhere near the level of dominance that they had been during their peaks, but I am impressed by their longevity.
*GSL finalist* *gets first in his up/down group* *gets no respect*
If you think that's impressive, look at his BW career
He definitely has respectable results, but his BW legacy is legendary. He was the first Zerg to really start consistently winning Starleagues (Yellow always got 2nd, and savior was after July)
Naniwa has a pretty tough group tbh, and so does nestea. Groups overall are super balanced though. It's not like that one time they had nestea mvp and naniwa all in the same group of death.
On March 21 2012 12:55 usethis2 wrote: I kind of wish the following Terrans were not in:
oGs_Supernova ST_Virus oGs_TheStC
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
Virus I'll give you but theStC is just fucking amazing (supernova is pretty good too).
But I'll also agree that I'd trade my soul for MVP_sC back in code S where he belongs
So true, I generally dislike terrans but Sc is one of those terrans who are really really entertaining to watch. Still remember his matches against nestea, damn...
On March 21 2012 14:23 HyperionDreamer wrote: DRG gets to play his best matchup only, haha.
Naniwa has a pretty tough group tbh, and so does nestea. Groups overall are super balanced though. It's not like that one time they had nestea mvp and naniwa all in the same group of death.
I would say Naniwa has a easy group actually, out of his opponents, 2 of them are terrible at V p. Plus with mvp playing so badly this days(watched his stream, and he was shaking his wrist a lot), I would say if naniwa doesn't get through then I would really wish that GomTV stop giving out seeds.
On March 21 2012 12:55 usethis2 wrote: I kind of wish the following Terrans were not in:
oGs_Supernova ST_Virus oGs_TheStC
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
Virus I'll give you but theStC is just fucking amazing (supernova is pretty good too).
But I'll also agree that I'd trade my soul for MVP_sC back in code S where he belongs
So true, I generally dislike terrans but Sc is one of those terrans who are really really entertaining to watch. Still remember his matches against nestea, damn...
sC vs Nestea semi matches on Crossfire was epic. I can never forget.
On March 21 2012 12:55 usethis2 wrote: I kind of wish the following Terrans were not in:
oGs_Supernova ST_Virus oGs_TheStC
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
Virus I'll give you but theStC is just fucking amazing (supernova is pretty good too).
But I'll also agree that I'd trade my soul for MVP_sC back in code S where he belongs
So true, I generally dislike terrans but Sc is one of those terrans who are really really entertaining to watch. Still remember his matches against nestea, damn...
sC vs Nestea semi matches on Crossfire was epic. I can never forget.
Unfortunately sC's skill is still largely trapped in the past alongside his Ro8 vs San the season before. Back then he was phenomenal with shakey TvT and fell from Code S because of it. Then lung collapse. Then lung collapse. Then lung collapse. Now he's only showing borderline Code S / A skill. He never looks terrible by any stretch of the word, but he's far from the hope we saw almost a year ago now. =(
On March 21 2012 14:23 HyperionDreamer wrote: DRG gets to play his best matchup only, haha.
Naniwa has a pretty tough group tbh, and so does nestea. Groups overall are super balanced though. It's not like that one time they had nestea mvp and naniwa all in the same group of death.
I would say Naniwa has a easy group actually, out of his opponents, 2 of them are terrible at V p. Plus with mvp playing so badly this days(watched his stream, and he was shaking his wrist a lot), I would say if naniwa doesn't get through then I would really wish that GomTV stop giving out seeds.
I feel MVP's wrist is giving him issues, been seeing him mech a fair amount recently, and even that isn't executed as well as it used to be. Real shame, as an in-form MVP is probably the best all-round player I've seen play this game thus far.
Naniwa didn't do too badly imo. Puzzle should win the group but Naniwa can take a game off anyone PvP and he's pretty good vs Terran too, while Ryung and MVP aren't that strong vs P. Of course he's not favorite but I don't think he's be the favourite in any group possibility, look how good the Tier 1 and 2 players all are, and tier 3 or 4 aren't slouches either. Code S keeps getting stronger and stronger, we just need Seal to get in there somehow, maybe as a 33rd player.
On March 21 2012 12:55 usethis2 wrote: I kind of wish the following Terrans were not in:
oGs_Supernova ST_Virus oGs_TheStC
These T's are those who are riding on their racial power. Most of their wins are cheese, and most "normal" games of theirs end up with losses. I would have much preffered, say, MVP_sC over any of the above Terran.
Virus I'll give you but theStC is just fucking amazing (supernova is pretty good too).
But I'll also agree that I'd trade my soul for MVP_sC back in code S where he belongs
So true, I generally dislike terrans but Sc is one of those terrans who are really really entertaining to watch. Still remember his matches against nestea, damn...
Virus looked really good against Fin. In fact his mech play that whole day of up & downs looked pretty solid.
On March 21 2012 14:23 HyperionDreamer wrote: DRG gets to play his best matchup only, haha.
Naniwa has a pretty tough group tbh, and so does nestea. Groups overall are super balanced though. It's not like that one time they had nestea mvp and naniwa all in the same group of death.
I would say Naniwa has a easy group actually, out of his opponents, 2 of them are terrible at V p. Plus with mvp playing so badly this days(watched his stream, and he was shaking his wrist a lot), I would say if naniwa doesn't get through then I would really wish that GomTV stop giving out seeds.
Naniwa does have a very reasonable group. That being said, a Code S player being "terrible v P" is not the same as any other player being "terrible v P".
Naniwa's group is actually really lucky for him, it could potentially go: Naniwa > Puzzle Ryung > MVP [Ryung is a TvT god, and MVP isn't quite on his highest level right now, still high, but not untouchable] Naniwa > Ryung MVP > Puzzle Ryung > MVP [Could go either way]
On March 21 2012 14:23 HyperionDreamer wrote: DRG gets to play his best matchup only, haha.
Naniwa has a pretty tough group tbh, and so does nestea. Groups overall are super balanced though. It's not like that one time they had nestea mvp and naniwa all in the same group of death.
I would say Naniwa has a easy group actually, out of his opponents, 2 of them are terrible at V p. Plus with mvp playing so badly this days(watched his stream, and he was shaking his wrist a lot), I would say if naniwa doesn't get through then I would really wish that GomTV stop giving out seeds.
Naniwa does have a very reasonable group. That being said, a Code S player being "terrible v P" is not the same as any other player being "terrible v P".
meh, we will see, I don't really like naniwa, but it will be interesting to see if he can survive in a tournament where opponents can prepare for you.
On March 22 2012 11:41 ETisME wrote: too little zergs to watch
Zerg has always been an elite squad in GSL. Very few new players are introduced per season but those who make it in tend to be high-quality, unlike T or P new-comers. Let's see how BBoongBBoong does.
imo group A would be the group of death, if DRG wasnt queueing into 3 terrans... Group F it is - so many high quality players now though each season of GSL that goes by it gets harder to pick a new group of death. Cant wait for the games!! :D
On March 22 2012 11:41 ETisME wrote: too little zergs to watch
Zerg has always been an elite squad in GSL. Very few new players are introduced per season but those who make it in tend to be high-quality, unlike T or P new-comers. Let's see how BBoongBBoong does.
Are the new maps available in NA server?
QFT! I really wish there are more good zergs to cheer on. BBoong is pretty inconsistent, I watch his game play in the gstl and I don't think he is high enough calibre, of course he might be better with preparation, who knows :/
Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
It is strange that July 2-0 crushes Genius in code a like 2 weeks before Genius goes on in the next season to make the finals and still gets no respect.
On March 22 2012 21:48 Maghetti wrote: It is strange that July 2-0 crushes Genius in code a like 2 weeks before Genius goes on in the next season to make the finals and still gets no respect.
He plays too aggressive to be honest and he takes such huge risks that its impossible to not doubt July.
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
DRG and jjakji will advance. I can't see anything else happening unless there is a crazy all-in or cheese that occurs.
jjakji's worst matchup is TvT (statistically is his worst matchup, but it is still 60% and as of late it seems much better than that).*
DRG's ZvT seems unstoppable especially by low Code S (such as Taeja and StC).
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
DRG and jjakji will advance. I can't see anything else happening unless there is a crazy all-in or cheese that occurs.
jjakji's worst matchup is TvT (statistically is his worst matchup, but it is still 60% and as of late it seems much better than that).
DRG's ZvT seems unstoppable especially by low Code S (such as Taeja and StC).
Both TaeJa and StC are TvZ specialist tho. There isn't alot more of better TvZ player in the scene atm in my opinion. Jjakji, Gumiho, MMA are the main one to come to my mind. I would rate TaeJa/StC just behind these 3 for this match up. ( along a lot of other... like aLive, Polt.. )
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
DRG and jjakji will advance. I can't see anything else happening unless there is a crazy all-in or cheese that occurs.
jjakji's worst matchup is TvT (statistically is his worst matchup, but it is still 60% and as of late it seems much better than that).
DRG's ZvT seems unstoppable especially by low Code S (such as Taeja and StC).
Both TaeJa and StC are TvZ specialist tho. There isn't alot more of better TvZ player in the scene atm in my opinion. Jjakji, Gumiho, MMA are the main one to come to my mind. I would rate TaeJa/StC just behind these 3 for this match up. ( along a lot of other... like aLive, Polt.. )
IMHappy. He has like above 80% win rate TvZ
I'd rate TaeJa on the same level as Gumiho TvZ, StC slightly behind.
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
DRG and jjakji will advance. I can't see anything else happening unless there is a crazy all-in or cheese that occurs.
jjakji's worst matchup is TvT (statistically is his worst matchup, but it is still 60% and as of late it seems much better than that).
DRG's ZvT seems unstoppable especially by low Code S (such as Taeja and StC).
Both TaeJa and StC are TvZ specialist tho. There isn't alot more of better TvZ player in the scene atm in my opinion. Jjakji, Gumiho, MMA are the main one to come to my mind. I would rate TaeJa/StC just behind these 3 for this match up. ( along a lot of other... like aLive, Polt.. )
I agree, but a TvZ specialist (in my opinion) isn't necessarily good enough to beat DRG. I mean there is a chance but I would bet on DRG.
On March 22 2012 11:34 MK4512 wrote: Naniwa's group is actually really lucky for him, it could potentially go: Naniwa > Puzzle Ryung > MVP [Ryung is a TvT god, and MVP isn't quite on his highest level right now, still high, but not untouchable] Naniwa > Ryung MVP > Puzzle Ryung > MVP [Could go either way]
Lol no MVP will crush face, I doubt he will still be in a slump after how he crushed in Iron Squid.
Everyone always thinks july is going to drop out of Code S..then guess what..some noob tries to take a fast 3rd and july just rolls him. Its like most people play economically greedy...July just plays greedy with attacking units...he'd rather do dmg and try to kill you than mine more resources than you.
On March 22 2012 20:29 babysimba wrote: Out of code S zergs, only drg, curious, leenock & nestea have the ability to stay in code S consistently. The really good upcoming zergs are still stuck in code A: Seal, Symbol; or in code B: life. IMO, it's harder for a zerg to advance through code a and b. You get owned when you meet a weak match-up or someone who's good against your style. Either that or you raise your base skill level and start raping everyone with ease.
Zergs have a considerable disadvantage in GSL where opponents have time to prepare for their playstyle. It's a big advantage for terran though.
I fear for DRG.. I think JJ and Taeja can knock him out, don't think stc will take a game off anyone.
DRG and jjakji will advance. I can't see anything else happening unless there is a crazy all-in or cheese that occurs.
jjakji's worst matchup is TvT (statistically is his worst matchup, but it is still 60% and as of late it seems much better than that).
DRG's ZvT seems unstoppable especially by low Code S (such as Taeja and StC).
Both TaeJa and StC are TvZ specialist tho. There isn't alot more of better TvZ player in the scene atm in my opinion. Jjakji, Gumiho, MMA are the main one to come to my mind. I would rate TaeJa/StC just behind these 3 for this match up. ( along a lot of other... like aLive, Polt.. )
I'm always a little confused about this. This group only has one Zerg in it. Being a good TvZ player in this group only would give you a small edge, maybe, against the best Z in the world. The rest of the group(read: the lion's share, for those players) belongs to that other matchup, TvT. For them to win out, they need to win at least one of each, but if they have to win two matches, it's highly likely they will have to win 2 tvts. Frankly, Taeja has not played a match on Gom in 3-4 mo in TvZ or TvT. Whatever he may have done overseas(or closer to home in online tournaments), he had better be well-practiced, particularly at TvT. He may never get a chance to put his TvZ to work if he can't win at TvT.(Not that his TvZ matchup was really that good on the numbers; it was below 50% at Gom). Seriously, I wish Taeja the best, but I don't know if he'll be able to beat jjakji, and if he doesn't, I don't see him playing TvZ at all.
On March 26 2012 04:37 Yaki wrote: what time does it begin in europe tomorrow ?
11.15 CET afaik It used to start an hour earlier but according to the tournament calendar to the right -> it will start ~11.15. Also iirc they used to have the matches 17.15 KST and now on GOM's website it says 18.15 which means it's 11.15
EPT
![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/47878.jpg)
2012 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VXkIi.png)
![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/49173.png)
![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/49172.png)
Thank you GOM remove those bad maps. Atlantis starship sounds cool ;D Picture please OP?![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/f/ff/AtlantisSpaceship.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imageftw.com/uploads/20110609/Ryung.png)
![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/One+does+not+simply+just+quot+get+quot+a+Charizard+_59a384cd931e813bb7b539f5b88a23f3.jpg)
