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On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All
Ah, the lengths bitter people will go to, to entertain their nostalgic hangups.
You are seriously promoting LoL just because you suck at SC2 and you miss the good old BW days? Do you even know what a tragedy for eSports LoL is? It's gameplay on the level of Angry Birds. What a joke.
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On March 18 2012 21:21 partysnatcher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All Ah, the lengths bitter people will go to, to entertain their nostalgic hangups. You are seriously promoting LoL just because you suck at SC2 and you miss the good old BW days? Do you even know what a tragedy for eSports LoL is? It's gameplay on the level of Angry Birds. What a joke.
You think we only like BW because of nostalgia? You are an even bigger joke than LoL.
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On March 18 2012 18:19 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 15:05 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:57 imperator-xy wrote:On March 18 2012 14:53 jinorazi wrote:
i know its just for money but...
am i the only one that thinks sc2 isn't ready to replace bw? as in bw pros (kespa) players switching over.
i'm ok with bw and sc2, i'm ok with sc2 overtaking bw, i just dont think sc2 is up to par yet. i actually think bw is much better than sc2 in every aspect except for new players to learn the game so korean esports will probably be split into sc2, lol and some other games and never be as united as it has been with bw Indeed, we're already seeing players move on by retiring, switching to games like LoL, etc. There's been plenty of talk about that too. Have to wait and see what happens. We actually see this only with players that basically fell behind and couldn't keep up with the pros...A sign that skill gap is continously widening. Which is something we see in game as well: cheese is getting rarer because people know how to defend it by now, late game is being explored, pros working on the smallest of mistakes etc.
Um, no. Goes back to my other post in this thread about Stork saying once he retires from BW he would most likely switch to LoL. Like I said we have to wait to see what happens.
By your rule of thumb it's the same shit for BW as well. What the other chap was trying to imply is that SC2 isn't the obvious choice. Everyone will go a different path.
On March 18 2012 14:50 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 14:47 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:45 Ryo wrote:On March 18 2012 14:42 hp.Shell wrote:On March 18 2012 14:38 Ryo wrote:On March 18 2012 14:32 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:29 imperator-xy wrote:On March 18 2012 14:29 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:27 imperator-xy wrote:
as it is now something HAS TO happen
i guess lol proleague is coming soon as well ... KeSPA already have one running on OGN. Seriously guys. -_- Proleague isnt the same as some random league you know come on you have over 10 000 posts What part of KeSPA sanctioned, on OGN network, LoL are you not computing? The tournament is up and running. The LoL league is "LoL The Champions". It's not Proleague. "Proleague" is a Kespa trademarked name. And so far, they've also made use of it for BW and SF/SF2. The SF2 thing is very true, and makes me view the entire situation differently. This gives me hope that BW can live alongside its sibling. The problem right now is that OGN is broadcasting so many games, their TV schedule is so packed. Another issue is that for Kespa/OGN to get the rights to broadcast SC2, Blizzard will probably demand a complete switch. My only rebuttal to that is, Blizzard needs KeSPA more than KeSPA need Blizzard. I get it, but it's not so cut and dry. You're making the assumption that OGN and Kespa don't want to make the complete switch, which I don't think is the case.
Why did you cut out my
Ryo remember how a few years back I said the ball was in KeSPA's court? Yeah, I'm sticking to it. Doesn't mean that cannot happen. ;D
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Makes your post more credible, no? What does this all amount to?
Have to wait and see what happens. Sponsorship dollars can go a long way.
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On March 18 2012 21:41 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 21:21 partysnatcher wrote:On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All Ah, the lengths bitter people will go to, to entertain their nostalgic hangups. You are seriously promoting LoL just because you suck at SC2 and you miss the good old BW days? Do you even know what a tragedy for eSports LoL is? It's gameplay on the level of Angry Birds. What a joke. You think we only like BW because of nostalgia? You are an even bigger joke than LoL.
i hate when people think this, BW is simple a better game, it's not nostalgia, get over it....
BW is the only game that i know that take seriously skill and it's actually FUN, no other game for me have done this
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Yeah, and a lot of people still play it. I don't know why the whole nostalgia card isn't dead by now.
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On March 18 2012 17:38 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 17:33 hydrogg wrote:On March 18 2012 17:21 NekoFlandre wrote:
Errrrrr......
This is good but...yea not good.
I mean. OGN / KeSPA? Really? Look how they destroyed foreigner SC1 play (basically)
It's good for the Korean teams, but what about the current partnerships? (Will KeSPA regulate them?)
What about Current players / teams / deals with players? (Would KeSPA get a say in it?)
How will it effect the current atmosphere of Players traveling around the world to other tournies such as MLG / IPL? They won't be able to. Proleague is a yearly event with multiple matches per week until the post season. Players can't be in 2 places at once. Are line-ups that strict? Cant a player go to a foreign tournament and have someone else take their spot on the bench. There is not gaurantee they will play either right? Teams have larger rosters then just the # of players need to be available for a particular match for just this reason. If a player is sick or unable to compete, they are temporarily replaced right? Players could travel, but they just may be a bit more limited if teams specifically request their presence during a particular series. I mean, they are playing for a cash prize and prestige in proleague, but if they let one of their aces go for a weekend and possible miss one series, they can earn like $50k right then and there. It would seem to be a case by case basis, but I would suspect most teams would have more high caliber players to play then spots needed for a series.
We don’t really know the nature of SC2 PL yet, but if it is going to be anything like BW PL, this would be a pretty big problem. It’s not that teams don’t have enough players to fill up the spots, but rather that teams take PL extremely seriously. Having one of your better players travelling around the world and thus missing PL-matches would be out of the question.
When players advance in both OSL and MSL (RIP), they suddenly have a ridiculous schedule of training in front of them, since they still need to support their team in PL. This actually led to some of the players being overworked and the amount of games played each week in PL was reduced because of this (hence Flash’s nickname “Child Labour Terran”).
Moreover, it is seems very rare that players have been unable to play because of illness, which I haven’t really thought about before. In my opinion, it feels like all the players always show up for their PL-games (sometimes wearing maks because they are sick and don’t want to infect others). Some players have been absent due to more severe problems though, that involves surgery or longer hospital stays.
Anyway, bottom line is that BW progamers don’t miss their PL-games. But that doesn’t mean that it necessary will be the same for SC2 players. Perhaps there will be more flexibility in regards to foreign tournaments.
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On March 18 2012 21:49 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, and a lot of people still play it. I don't know why the whole nostalgia card isn't dead by now.
My best guess is some people have a broken scroll wheel, which prevented them from noticing a whole BW section on TL.
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So many people hating sc2 in this forum. Guys you know you are writing in sc2 forum? If you want promoting lol go to a bf3 forum. They have the same skill like lol players.
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On March 18 2012 21:21 partysnatcher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All Ah, the lengths bitter people will go to, to entertain their nostalgic hangups. You are seriously promoting LoL just because you suck at SC2 and you miss the good old BW days? Do you even know what a tragedy for eSports LoL is? It's gameplay on the level of Angry Birds. What a joke.
Saying that SC2 is terribly boring is unnecessary, some prefer it over BW and that’s fine. But this idea that people love BW because of nostalgia is so fucking stupid, since it is still being played every week. Do you think that people like football/tennis/golf because of nostalgia as well?
Oh and I wouldn’t say that LoL is a joke game with easy gameplay while promoting SC2. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
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On March 18 2012 22:00 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 21:49 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, and a lot of people still play it. I don't know why the whole nostalgia card isn't dead by now. My best guess is some people have a broken scroll wheel, which prevented them from noticing a whole BW section on TL.
haha.
I really hope there can be an SC2 proleague... but like everyone else has said, it sucks that BW might have to be shuffled out T_T
One day I hope I can play BW and subsequently appreciate the beauty that so many on this site proclaim... for know I'd be happy if more people moved on to Barrin's excellent article to improve SC2 in ways that may or may not make it more similiar to BW...
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On March 18 2012 22:03 Crankk wrote:
So many people hating sc2 in this forum. Guys you know you are writing in sc2 forum? If you want promoting lol go to a bf3 forum. They have the same skill like lol players.
Don't know why LoL fans even bother to post here in the first place. This has nothing to do with LoL.
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On March 18 2012 21:43 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 18:19 ACrow wrote:On March 18 2012 15:05 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:57 imperator-xy wrote:On March 18 2012 14:53 jinorazi wrote:
i know its just for money but...
am i the only one that thinks sc2 isn't ready to replace bw? as in bw pros (kespa) players switching over.
i'm ok with bw and sc2, i'm ok with sc2 overtaking bw, i just dont think sc2 is up to par yet. i actually think bw is much better than sc2 in every aspect except for new players to learn the game so korean esports will probably be split into sc2, lol and some other games and never be as united as it has been with bw Indeed, we're already seeing players move on by retiring, switching to games like LoL, etc. There's been plenty of talk about that too. Have to wait and see what happens. We actually see this only with players that basically fell behind and couldn't keep up with the pros...A sign that skill gap is continously widening. Which is something we see in game as well: cheese is getting rarer because people know how to defend it by now, late game is being explored, pros working on the smallest of mistakes etc. Um, no. Goes back to my other post in this thread about Stork saying once he retires from BW he would most likely switch to LoL. Like I said we have to wait to see what happens. By your rule of thumb it's the same shit for BW as well. What the other chap was trying to imply is that SC2 isn't the obvious choice. Everyone will go a different path. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 14:50 Ryo wrote:On March 18 2012 14:47 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:45 Ryo wrote:On March 18 2012 14:42 hp.Shell wrote:On March 18 2012 14:38 Ryo wrote:On March 18 2012 14:32 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:29 imperator-xy wrote:On March 18 2012 14:29 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:27 imperator-xy wrote:
as it is now something HAS TO happen
i guess lol proleague is coming soon as well ... KeSPA already have one running on OGN. Seriously guys. -_- Proleague isnt the same as some random league you know come on you have over 10 000 posts What part of KeSPA sanctioned, on OGN network, LoL are you not computing? The tournament is up and running. The LoL league is "LoL The Champions". It's not Proleague. "Proleague" is a Kespa trademarked name. And so far, they've also made use of it for BW and SF/SF2. The SF2 thing is very true, and makes me view the entire situation differently. This gives me hope that BW can live alongside its sibling. The problem right now is that OGN is broadcasting so many games, their TV schedule is so packed. Another issue is that for Kespa/OGN to get the rights to broadcast SC2, Blizzard will probably demand a complete switch. My only rebuttal to that is, Blizzard needs KeSPA more than KeSPA need Blizzard. I get it, but it's not so cut and dry. You're making the assumption that OGN and Kespa don't want to make the complete switch, which I don't think is the case. Why did you cut out my
Ryo remember how a few years back I said the ball was in KeSPA's court? Yeah, I'm sticking to it. Doesn't mean that cannot happen. ;D
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Makes your post more credible, no? What does this all amount to?Have to wait and see what happens. Sponsorship dollars can go a long way.
Look at the time stamp of my post and the time stamp of your 'edit'. Has it ever occurred to you that I quoted your post before you edited it and added in that last sentence Stop looking for every opportunity to start an argument with me, I'm not interested in replying to you.
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This is the nature of forums. Arguing just to argue. Arguing over things that cannot be changed by them. Arguing over symantics. Raging. Defaming.
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On March 18 2012 21:43 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 18:19 ACrow wrote:On March 18 2012 15:05 StarStruck wrote:On March 18 2012 14:57 imperator-xy wrote:On March 18 2012 14:53 jinorazi wrote:
i know its just for money but...
am i the only one that thinks sc2 isn't ready to replace bw? as in bw pros (kespa) players switching over.
i'm ok with bw and sc2, i'm ok with sc2 overtaking bw, i just dont think sc2 is up to par yet. i actually think bw is much better than sc2 in every aspect except for new players to learn the game so korean esports will probably be split into sc2, lol and some other games and never be as united as it has been with bw Indeed, we're already seeing players move on by retiring, switching to games like LoL, etc. There's been plenty of talk about that too. Have to wait and see what happens. We actually see this only with players that basically fell behind and couldn't keep up with the pros...A sign that skill gap is continously widening. Which is something we see in game as well: cheese is getting rarer because people know how to defend it by now, late game is being explored, pros working on the smallest of mistakes etc. Um, no. Goes back to my other post in this thread about Stork saying once he retires from BW he would most likely switch to LoL. Like I said we have to wait to see what happens. By your rule of thumb it's the same shit for BW as well. What the other chap was trying to imply is that SC2 isn't the obvious choice. Everyone will go a different path.
Ah, sorry, misunderstood you, thought your quote was about SC2 pros that retire. Let me be more specific then: "The only SC2 players that are retiring are the ones that basically fell behind and couldn't keep up with the pros...etc".
Anyways, why is it that so many threads in the SC2 forums devolve into BW and/or LoL fans* coming in and bashing the game we love?
*really strange alliance there btw
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On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All
That's cute, now go back to the BW forums.
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nice guy gave me a pizza box. so nice 
thanks for the pizza
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so, from what are you saying, LoL becoming uber-popular in korea means the beggining of the end for bw and sc2?
don't get me wrong, i'm a sc2 player and i love it, but that joke of a game called LoL has 4 times the audience of sc2 from what i have seen on streams. or maybe more.
so if this is appealing to the masses, it is really sad seeing good rts games losing popularity over lame mobas.
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Awesome news for korean sc2 scene. Can't wait for this to happen.
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This is fairly big news. I hope that the parts will find a "peaceful" solution. SC2 is saturated with tournaments nowadays, the current player pool will just not be enough to fill everything in.
On March 18 2012 23:26 HyunA wrote:
so, from what are you saying, LoL becoming uber-popular in korea means the beggining of the end for bw and sc2?
don't get me wrong, i'm a sc2 player and i love it, but that joke of a game called LoL has 4 times the audience of sc2 from what i have seen on streams. or maybe more.
so if this is appealing to the masses, it is really sad seeing good rts games losing popularity over lame mobas.
To a good extent, Blizzard is to blame. Valve/Riot are doing the right thing: offering tools for spectatorship and community involvement right inside the game.
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On March 18 2012 21:21 partysnatcher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 20:47 Yosi wrote:
It's sad but true. I can not see much future for sc2. Koreans began to play LoL, so this game can not be so bad. And sc2 is terribly boring.
Anyway BW >>>> All Ah, the lengths bitter people will go to, to entertain their nostalgic hangups. You are seriously promoting LoL just because you suck at SC2 and you miss the good old BW days? Do you even know what a tragedy for eSports LoL is? It's gameplay on the level of Angry Birds. What a joke.
So, you mock him for being bitter, and then go on to call LoL a "tragedy for eSports."
I'd mention something about pots and kettles, but the message would probably be lost on you.
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