Breadth of Gameplay in SC2 - Page 95

On April 04 2012 14:38 IronManSC wrote:
Inside the Game with DJwheat, painuser, idra, and incontrol discuss FRB!

http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/313841780

Start at 32:15

On April 04 2012 14:46 Grumbels wrote:

I wasn't really impressed by their discussion, I gather they didn't even read the thread. It's unfortunate that our 'betters' who discuss these issues for us on talk shows don't really have the time to be too involved. I had thought that if an idea like this would catch on it would have to happen through ITG, SotG, D9D type shows, but I suppose they can only really start to promote and discuss such things once there is a professional reason for them to. For instance, once GSL starts to consider using these maps and it becomes a professional necessity to start investigating it.

On April 04 2012 16:29 OldManSenex wrote:
Hey folks, to answer a couple questions:

There's a tournament being organized right now featuring all FRB Maps, a $150 prize pool and players like coL.GanZi, VileIllusion, iS.Axslav, and many more! Those who are interested should head on over to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324001 for the full player list, map pool and schedule. The players start their matches on April 6th, and the live broadcast of the Round of 16 will be on April 13th at 8pm EST on www.twitch.tv/pullsc. I hope you all tune in!

Day9 doing this as a Funday Monday is an excellent idea, and I recommend everyone send him a quick e-mail stating your support. Many in the thread, myself included, have already done so, and with enough popular support I think we could not only get a really great spotlight on the FRB variant, but also an extremely funny and interesting funday monday! E-mail feedback@day9.tv to encourage Day9 to use the idea.

I'm glad to see so many new faces in the thread! If you have questions you think might have been answered but aren't sure feel free to ask them and I'll answer as many as I can.

Oh, and in a shameless bit of self promotion, check out www.youtube.com/wiseoldsenex to see casts and analysis of FRB games. If you like what you see be sure to subscribe. :D

On April 04 2012 14:46 Grumbels wrote:

I wasn't really impressed by their discussion, I gather they didn't even read the thread. It's unfortunate that our 'betters' who discuss these issues for us on talk shows don't really have the time to be too involved. I had thought that if an idea like this would catch on it would have to happen through ITG, SotG, D9D type shows, but I suppose they can only really start to promote and discuss such things once there is a professional reason for them to. For instance, once GSL starts to consider using these maps and it becomes a professional necessity to start investigating it.

On April 04 2012 14:46 Grumbels wrote:

I wasn't really impressed by their discussion, I gather they didn't even read the thread. It's unfortunate that our 'betters' who discuss these issues for us on talk shows don't really have the time to be too involved. I had thought that if an idea like this would catch on it would have to happen through ITG, SotG, D9D type shows, but I suppose they can only really start to promote and discuss such things once there is a professional reason for them to. For instance, once GSL starts to consider using these maps and it becomes a professional necessity to start investigating it.

On April 04 2012 18:53 Ruscour wrote:

I don't think anyone but djWHEAT actually read the thread. They're just throwing around baseless ideas about why it would or wouldn't work. It's nice to know that they're all open to the idea, though, it just needs the correct implementation.

Looking forward to the FRB tournament :D

On April 04 2012 22:06 FreudianTrip wrote:


Summary:

PainUser: Didn't read it. Whined about IMBA. Said some dumb shit about Mules and building a million CCs.
Idra: Skimmed it, said it's intentions are interesting and if it actually achieved it's goals would make for a more skillful game and reward players with good mechanics and high APM as the skirmishes (sp?) would have to be controlled well while keeping macro up. But he's also not sure whether it would achieve the goals it set out to.
InControl: Skimmed it. Said it was impossible, shut down entire discussion. Continued to say couldn't have different mineral starting bases such as having a normal 8m2g map and a 6m1g map in the same tournament.
Wheat: Read it, brought up the idea of ProMods, got shutdown.

I turned off before the wrap-up as they announced phone calls and the people that call in are fucking retarded so I may have missed something. Feel free to add if you wish.

On April 05 2012 00:41 Klonere wrote:


To be fair Incontrol made a really strong point not related to Blizzard's dictatorial control on SC2 and their ability to flat out shut down anything they disagree with in major competitions. FBR is an amazing initiative and something that in a perfect world would be amazing for the game. So would LAN, re-designing protoss, making Bnet better but its not in our hands to do any of those things on anything but a small hardcore community level. Maybe if FBR takes off in an enormous way and gets the endorsment of every single major community member out there (I'm talking Day9, Artosis, all the teams, all the major competitions, everyone) we could look at forcing Blizzard's hand but that is probably another "perfect world" situation.

On April 05 2012 00:51 bgx wrote:

There would be no pro broodwar and sc2 we know today if people didnt take things into their own hands. Because SC2 is actually in total control from Blizzard its even more important to force the issue before its too late (if its not already).

On April 05 2012 00:33 Destructicon wrote:
I think if all the hosts of ITG would have had enough time to read the entire idea they might have had much more refined perspective on the issue.

I can understand what InControl said in that, the pro gamers can't really dedicate a lot of time with this, since they actually need to focus on practicing for tournaments so they can make a living. Its kind of natural for them to be skeptical, but it would still be nice if they tried to see the problem from all points of view, and maybe even give some feedback.

I like how Wheat and IdrA where really open to the idea and what it could achieve, it raised some awareness, and hopefully more and more players step forward and talk about this trough various means. With some luck maybe a couple more will participate in the tournaments for 6m1hyg.