" Someone asked me if I was ok to play a show match with Naniwa 2 weeks ago, and then he said he was ok, and then he tried to find some excuses, like it's his birthday, he can't play on NA or shit like that. So I tried to trash-talk him on twitter , say its a pussy, so he had to accept the challenge. I told him to put 5k on the table, if he want to so the show match but it was more of a big trash-talk from me than the truth, coz I dont feel like putting 5k for a showmatch, it's a bit too much for me, I'm not a gambler at all. We'll do it for sure, we just need to find good time. The show match will come, dont worry"
He's not being a coward or anything, you guys just didn't understand anything :D Coz they agreed to the show match before.
Wtf are those debates on french racism ? If i say americans are a bunch of brainless fat ass killing people for 200 years all around the world for pride and glory i will get banned. But when someone insults our great country everybody laugh at us :'( I'm so sad i need a french kiss from my smelling hairy girlfriend.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
Apparently you missed the part where I wrote "Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote." He straight up said 5K. He can take it back if he wants, but obviously sweetening the pot like that, getting us excited, and then dodging the gamble makes it a bit of a letdown for those us who were looking forward to it.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
It is called class and it should be no surprised to anyone that you are expected to hold up to your words. also this match became more competitive and serious when they decided to wager their personal funds thereby making this match more than a showmatch to the audience imo.
what stephano did was bitching out from a bet. no other ways to put that than what it really is.
On March 16 2012 10:20 AIOL! wrote: Wtf are those debates on french racism ? If i say americans are a bunch of brainless fat ass killing people for 200 years all around the world for pride and glory i will get banned. But when someone insults our great country everybody laugh at us :'( I'm so sad i need a french kiss from my smelling hairy girlfriend.
I'm kidding don't ban me for real we all know usa is the greatest country
Not me my friend! <3 France!! I totally agree, people go "no holds barred" on the French, its quite mean spirited.
Honestly, its just show's their ignorance or jealousy, don't know which it is. Probably its just they see other people getting away with it, so they know they can get away with it as well. Monkey see, monkey do.
As for the latest new.....
Stephano was just being smart.... he was using twitter to hype, and maybe sell, a showmatch.
Rather than risking 5k of his hard earned money, now he's going to have all upside and no downside.
a) Neither Stephano or Naniwa meant it b) Only Stephano meant it c) Only Naniwa meant it d) Both of Stephano and Naniwa meant it
Possibility a) and d) are mutual acceptance, in which case neither can claim to have been cheated/tricked/scammed/deceived.
In b) and c) Stephano and Naniwa respectively can claim to have been cheated/tricked/scammed/deceived.
Based on recent events, such as SotG, it seems that we're dealing with c). This means that Stephano made a challenge that Naniwa thought was sincere when it wasn't. In that case, it becomes close to irrelevant whether this was intentionally or not (because only Stephano would know). On that same token, it also remains unknown whether Stephano would have revealed that it was a fake offer, had Naniwa not accepted it. This leads to a utility loss for Naniwa, since he's essentially being freerolled (by calling the bluff, he wins nothing. By not accepting, he loses reputation).
This kind of challenge is perhaps justified out of the public, where no reputation is on the line. However, Twitter is not out of the public and Stephano effectively one or more of cheated/tricked/scammed/deceived Naniwa, for potentially gaining reputation, had Naniwa not accepted.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
It is called class and it should be no surprised to anyone that you are expected to hold up to your words. also this match became more competitive and serious when they decided to wager their personal funds thereby making this match more than a showmatch to the audience imo.
what stephano did was bitching out from a bet. no other ways to put that than what it really is.
Sometimes I really hate this community. Alot of people more interested in creating drama then actually care for the sport. What are you problem sir?. We get our showmatch that was the hole point of the twitter convosation. Who really cares if stephano gonna put 5k on his own money on it. I dont I just wanna see the showmatch. And I must give credit to Stephano he got his wish and got the showmatch now so the trash talking on twitter apperently helped.
I do suggest since you seem like the kind of guy who loves the drama to goto redit and make a post who knows maybe the dramaqueen community can get him fired.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
It is called class and it should be no surprised to anyone that you are expected to hold up to your words. also this match became more competitive and serious when they decided to wager their personal funds thereby making this match more than a showmatch to the audience imo.
what stephano did was bitching out from a bet. no other ways to put that than what it really is.
Sometimes I really hate this community. Alot of people more interested in creating drama then actually care for the sport. What are you problem sir?. We get our showmatch that was the hole point of the twitter convosation. Who really cares if stephano gonna put 5k on his own money on it. I dont I just wanna see the showmatch. And I must give credit to Stephano he got his wish and got the showmatch now so the trash talking on twitter apperently helped.
I do suggest since you seem like the kind of guy who loves the drama to goto redit and make a post who knows maybe the dramaqueen community can get him fired.
Tons of people do. Regular showmatch? Yawn. These happen all the time, and are meaningless because there's nothing on the line.
Showmatch with 5k on the line? That's dramatic, that has serious consequences.
What's wrong with drama? Drama is entertaining, moving, and makes people actually care about what is happening.
Pretty funny that Stephano wussed out. He was the one who pushed the 5k, and for him back off after Naniwa called his bluffed makes him look like a punk. It was actually pretty rude...because if Naniwa backs down he looks like a coward, but he accepts and gets nothing.
He basically put Naniwa in a lose/lose scenario and has shown he will run his mouth and then not back it up.
Add in the fact that he dodges the GSL and it's pretty disappointing. He could be the greatest foreign player ever to play Starcraft but it's obvious he's just trying to accumulate as much money as possible from the scene before walking away. Talk about a parasite.
If there is no money on the line then the games will be a joke.
Naniwa clearly doesn't care about showmatches or worthless games, since he doesn't even play in clan wars. Nobody wants to see some joke games, since Stephano is scared.
tbh, it's unbelievable how he's so hesitant to bet some money when the community donated to him 5K last weekend by giving him a very easy opponent.
Guys, it would be much better if it was fan-funded. There's just too much on the line, especially for NaNiwa (Stephano has nearly won 100K in total winnings). I really hope this becomes fan-funded.
On March 16 2012 12:52 NOOBALOPSE wrote: Guys, it would be much better if it was fan-funded. There's just too much on the line, especially for NaNiwa (Stephano has nearly won 100K in total winnings). I really hope this becomes fan-funded.
No it wouldn't. They don't care as much to lose because it's not their money. That alone makes the game much more interesting.
Why should we the fans donate money to people who already make a living off of us? Both of them make a shitload more money in a year than I do, I sure as hell am not giving them any money.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
It is called class and it should be no surprised to anyone that you are expected to hold up to your words. also this match became more competitive and serious when they decided to wager their personal funds thereby making this match more than a showmatch to the audience imo.
what stephano did was bitching out from a bet. no other ways to put that than what it really is.
Sometimes I really hate this community. Alot of people more interested in creating drama then actually care for the sport. What are you problem sir?. We get our showmatch that was the hole point of the twitter convosation. Who really cares if stephano gonna put 5k on his own money on it. I dont I just wanna see the showmatch. And I must give credit to Stephano he got his wish and got the showmatch now so the trash talking on twitter apperently helped.
I do suggest since you seem like the kind of guy who loves the drama to goto redit and make a post who knows maybe the dramaqueen community can get him fired.
Tons of people do. Regular showmatch? Yawn. These happen all the time, and are meaningless because there's nothing on the line.
Showmatch with 5k on the line? That's dramatic, that has serious consequences.
What's wrong with drama? Drama is entertaining, moving, and makes people actually care about what is happening.
Whats wrong with drama? Well ill tell you. When drama actually starts to overshadow the sport and its players itself then we got a serious problem.
Every week there is some shit happening that creates more buzz then most tournament. Everything from Naniwa´s proberush to stephano´s sleeping schedule to rage rant on ladder. Apperently for some people this is more important then matches and tournament results. You even prove my point "tons of people do. Regular showmatch? Yawn"
And you ask what´s wrong with it? Dude starcraft 2 is not a Soap Opera. Its an Esports. And if you want cheap entertainment I suggest you go watch The Bold and the Beautiful or Days of our Lives. Im sure you and the rest of the dramaqueen community would love it.
It seems to be an illness in this community and hopefully we can weed it out before it destroys anymore Esports careers
On March 16 2012 12:52 NOOBALOPSE wrote: Guys, it would be much better if it was fan-funded. There's just too much on the line, especially for NaNiwa (Stephano has nearly won 100K in total winnings). I really hope this becomes fan-funded.
No it wouldn't. They don't care as much to lose because it's not their money. That alone makes the game much more interesting.
Why should we the fans donate money to people who already make a living off of us? Both of them make a shitload more money in a year than I do, I sure as hell am not giving them any money.
Im really glad you know Stephano and Naniwa so well that you actually know what they care about
PS. New episodes of Days of our Lives are out you should really go watch them.
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Stephano is entitled to renege on his aforementioned challenge, however, as a fan I take actions like this into account and while he might not care about the sincerity of his words, I believe many of his fans and sponsors do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but as I see e-sports developing into something tangible, I can't help but notice how important public image is becoming. Stephano is just one man though. If he were something more a $5k investment to save face and most likely win many new fans (win or lose) is a no brainer.
For example... I don't really care much for Stephano. He's put up some good games, but I'm not awestruck by him, however, after reading his challenge I began to care more about learning more about him.
After some of the past controversial things he's done already (signing double contracts, entering multiple tournaments that play at the same time- which causes tournament problems, etc.), this pretty much reinforces a slightly sour mindset I have of him. I'm hoping the showmatch gets played, although I was really looking forward to Stephano walking the walk of his bet, and not just talking the talk. I see this as another slightly unsettling thing he's done in his career (which has been extremely accomplished as far as wins and prize money go, don't get me wrong).
I feel the same way about Stephano. These are all the supporting reasons for why I am not a fan even though I am a zerg player. I hope naniwa crushes him.
You act like he said solemnly: "I swear on my life and honor to put 5k on the table in a showmatch against Naniwa." It's ridiculous, it was just some chat with Naniwa, I don't care about the prize. Only the showmatch is important, and if he doesn't it then yes I will be disappointed.
It is called class and it should be no surprised to anyone that you are expected to hold up to your words. also this match became more competitive and serious when they decided to wager their personal funds thereby making this match more than a showmatch to the audience imo.
what stephano did was bitching out from a bet. no other ways to put that than what it really is.
Sometimes I really hate this community. Alot of people more interested in creating drama then actually care for the sport. What are you problem sir?. We get our showmatch that was the hole point of the twitter convosation. Who really cares if stephano gonna put 5k on his own money on it. I dont I just wanna see the showmatch. And I must give credit to Stephano he got his wish and got the showmatch now so the trash talking on twitter apperently helped.
I do suggest since you seem like the kind of guy who loves the drama to goto redit and make a post who knows maybe the dramaqueen community can get him fired.
no you are missing the point. there was no drama created by the twitter message after everything is considered. what revealed from the the shit talk was stephano's character of being a lil bitch. He is not sure $5k worth that he can beat Naniwa.
MillStephano MillStephano @MillStephano @QuanticNaNi PussPuss Pussycat, 500 only ? Let's go up to 5 grant your poor swedish
On March 16 2012 05:00 hnQ wrote: oh oh hey guise stephano is a chicken because he upped it and now is backing down lolol, IM SURE HE WASNT JOKING ABOUT IT, SO SURE GUYS
Did you read how excessively Stephano had been calling out Naniwa, and how eager he was to make some money on the deal? Obviously he's allowed to change his mind or troll a little, but Stephano was pretty over the top with what he wrote. Did you even bother to read the conversation in the OP?
By the way, fantastic grammar.
Hi, would you be able to speak to me in portuguese? Actually, any other language, fluently, besides english?
To answer your questions, yes, I've read them, I've also read what Stephano said on SoTG.
I tried to refine my grammar a bit just for you, please correct me again
No way this showmatch is for 10k. Neither of these players is willing to put that kind of money on the line for a best of 9 that will prove nothing. MAYBE each puts up 1k.
EPT
