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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST |
On March 14 2012 01:49 Iloja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 00:07 Shiori wrote:On March 13 2012 23:50 Defacer wrote:On March 13 2012 23:44 Shiori wrote:
The mean-spiritedness of this post is worse than anything orb said, because where he, at worst, "lacked self control," you are pointedly stereotyping an entire group of people on false pretenses.
get out.
You're right. I believe people that call other people niggers in fit or rage because they are losing in a videogame are bitchy nerds.YOU DISAGREE? I'd love to her you argue otherwise. All you've implied is that I'm mean and judgemental. How am I wrong? I don't really care what you believe. Your point is just silly. People the world over use the word "nigger" but you've decided to single out a group (that, paradoxically, you're probably part of, given that you post on these forums) and attribute their alleged immorality to "nerdiness." If you don't see how that's hypocritical, all hope is lost for you. But regardless, if you want to call them bitchy nerds, fine. I prefer to think of them as people who are mad. The fact that you want to treat saying the word 'nigger' when angry as having the same gravity as committing a felony when angry is rather ridiculous. I'm also extremely annoyed by this deluded self-superiority you're parading around. "People in this community need a reality check" ? And who are you, exactly? No, it is not silly. You imply that this community is okay with insulting people by using racist slurs and that therefore Defacer "paradoxically" is insulting "us all". A lot of people here have clearly stated that they are not okay with this, this community is clearly divided over this issue (which is kinda sad)! Please don't tell me or someone else that I'm (as I am part of this community) okay with this! Actually, to see what stance this community has on that regard, why don't you go and start posting here like you seem to think is okay (as "people all over the world use" racial slurs to lovingly address each other) and see what happens! Do this in addition to what Defacer said, go out and try to argue with other people that it is actually okay to use a racial slur if you just want to randomly insult someone. Results might make you want to quit living on this planet or rethink who you actually are, exactly. The rest of your post makes no sense, Defacer never said it's a felony, because if it would be Orb would have lost more than his job.
The content of this post is more offensive than a generic utterance of the word nigger because it constitutes a personal attack on my character. Furthermore, I in no way support the use of the word nigger as a serious, level-headed way of referring to someone (particularly a black person) unless it is being used facetiously or in the form "nigga." I am arguing for the excusability of one particular case: namely, the use of the word nigger as a generic insult when one is angry. Please do not put words in my mouth.
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On March 14 2012 00:54 Gtoad wrote:
Man if Orb got the boot for this old ladder rage, shouldn't Artosis be hung or something? He was the rage king in sc1...funny how nobody goes after that, double standard imo.
Edit: Why is Idra still on EG if rage comments are bars for termination? lol
It's what was said, not simply that he raged. Seriously, did you even read the OP before commenting?
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You cant join a team like EG and then hope to get away with such disgusting racist remarks,
Kind of a dumb n----- risk..
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lol this thread is hilarious from start to finish
can't believe he actually got fired
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For those who view this as an overreaction, EG didn't really have a choice. This is the nature of sponsorships; companies don't want to be associated with anything that could be offensive.
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On March 13 2012 12:40 Spieltor wrote:but noone cares about destiny and he has the charisma to pull off the "im joking/being sarcastic/friendly insults" guys, and he does it so well that everyone just goes "meh". on the other hand orb was high up in the scene but also, and more importantly, lied and told people others were lying about him. he slandered them when they were being honest.
Huh? So it's okay for Destiny to sling around the n word because hes charismatic?
Destiny is a complete idiot and bigot for blurting the n word AFTER this incident. Not to mention it was on stream to thousands of viewers.
Look at the screenshot he is even laughing about it.
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On March 14 2012 06:20 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:40 Spieltor wrote:On March 13 2012 12:34 paintfive wrote:O.O ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WIvCp.jpg) but noone cares about destiny and he has the charisma to pull off the "im joking/being sarcastic/friendly insults" guys, and he does it so well that everyone just goes "meh". on the other hand orb was high up in the scene but also, and more importantly, lied and told people others were lying about him. he slandered them when they were being honest. Huh? So it's okay for Destiny to sling around the n word because hes charismatic? Destiny is a complete idiot and bigot for blurting the n word AFTER this incident. Not to mention it was on stream to thousands of viewers. Look at the screenshot he is even laughing about it.
Yeah, I think the big difference here is the context. I mean with Destiny doing it he's clearly satirizing the whole incident, especially with his "attempt" at censorship the first time around.
Is he playing orb? That would be hilarious.
I dunno. It's the difference between Michael Richards and Dave Chapelle doing racial jokes, you know?
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On March 14 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:
I take no offense to the word 'nerd', and I'm not really sure how you got that from my post. I take offense to your condescending argument and sense of moral superiority over someone who, need I remind you, did nothing more than say the word 'nigger' when he was angry. But the fact that you can't see the difference between using nerd in a very clearly, level-headed manner to express your dislike of the people to which is clearly refers and generically using the word to express your anger at a particular person leads me to believe you have essentially no idea what you're talking about.
Alex came across as a pompous pseudo-intellectual if you ask me (much like he usually does).
I'm not claiming moral superiority.
I'm claiming to be more mature and disciplined than Orb. Especially in how I express myself. 
Of course there is a difference between how I use nerd and Orb uses nigger. Principally, I have no shame in how I chose my words. My intent was to insult nerds -- specifically the subset of nerds that get the 5th-grade shits and giggles from co-opting derogatory slurs. I'm glad I succeeded.
I don't think chosing your words thoughtlessly is more forgivable. Personally, I think it's worse. Calling people niggers when your angry is horrible habit no one should be proud of -- and it something no one should have to apologize for. Not you, and particularly not Alex, Orb's former employer.
Alex might be pompous. It's unfortunate that you find his invested interest in issues around race, the insularity of the gaming community, and the need for maturation so obnoxious and boring. Oh well. Doesn't make him wrong.
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From only reading this post, it seems like he was let go from EG just for saying the N word in "public" ?
If it happens continuously in Orb's stream (which, from my own experience, it hasnt since I watch his stream and ive never heard him say the N word once), or if it happened under EG's management, then I would perfectly understand the action EG took.
But, I feel like neither of those is true, so I dont understand why he was let go. I assume he was doing a decent job casting games, I didnt have a problem with his casting. IMO, this only happened because Alex is too sensative to that word specifically.
To Alex, learn to live with it buddy. It's just a word. I hear it every single day from black, and non-black, people and I never see anyone else flip out about it. Words in context, mood, tone, and intent means everything. Welcome to America, if you dont like it then you can leave.
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On March 14 2012 06:25 AimlessAmoeba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:20 paintfive wrote:On March 13 2012 12:40 Spieltor wrote:On March 13 2012 12:34 paintfive wrote:O.O but noone cares about destiny and he has the charisma to pull off the "im joking/being sarcastic/friendly insults" guys, and he does it so well that everyone just goes "meh". on the other hand orb was high up in the scene but also, and more importantly, lied and told people others were lying about him. he slandered them when they were being honest. Huh? So it's okay for Destiny to sling around the n word because hes charismatic? Destiny is a complete idiot and bigot for blurting the n word AFTER this incident. Not to mention it was on stream to thousands of viewers. Look at the screenshot he is even laughing about it. Yeah, I think the big difference here is the context. I mean with Destiny doing it he's clearly satirizing the whole incident, especially with his "attempt" at censorship the first time around. Is he playing orb? That would be hilarious. I dunno. It's the difference between Michael Richards and Dave Chapelle doing racial jokes, you know?
He's certainly taken trolling to a meta-level -- trolling complete strangers, the community-as-a-whole, Orb ...
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On March 14 2012 06:20 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:40 Spieltor wrote:On March 13 2012 12:34 paintfive wrote:O.O but noone cares about destiny and he has the charisma to pull off the "im joking/being sarcastic/friendly insults" guys, and he does it so well that everyone just goes "meh". on the other hand orb was high up in the scene but also, and more importantly, lied and told people others were lying about him. he slandered them when they were being honest. Huh? So it's okay for Destiny to sling around the n word because hes charismatic? Destiny is a complete idiot and bigot for blurting the n word AFTER this incident. Not to mention it was on stream to thousands of viewers. Look at the screenshot he is even laughing about it.
Destiny is an idiot and a bigot for poking fun at one of the biggest over reactions this community has seen? Why wouldn't he laugh about it?
lrn2context por favor, there are worse things in the world (like actual racism) than the word nigger, it can be used in a variety of different ways, too.
I can say to my friends "sup my nigga" or something. Hell, HuK has done it in a few tweets. Think he's a racist bigot for joking around?
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As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
I feel that if orb had called the guy a faggot, or some other "offensive" word, then he probably wouldn't be in so much trouble, if any at all.
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On March 14 2012 06:44 FecalTank wrote:
As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
I feel that if orb had called the guy a faggot, or some other "offensive" word, then he probably wouldn't be in so much trouble, if any at all.
You don't get it do you? It wasn't just EG's decision to get rid of him. It was the fact that a bunch of people got very angry and started contacting EGs sponsors. What do you want EG to do? Tell their sponsors that they support him calling people niggers?
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On March 14 2012 06:44 FecalTank wrote:
As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
You realize that when you use a racial term as a "generic insult" that the implication is that it is BAD to be that race right? THAT is the entire point of this. Its like half the people on this board have no sense of the last 50 years of american history.
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On March 14 2012 07:04 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:44 FecalTank wrote:
As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
I feel that if orb had called the guy a faggot, or some other "offensive" word, then he probably wouldn't be in so much trouble, if any at all.
You don't get it do you? It wasn't just EG's decision to get rid of him. It was the fact that a bunch of people got very angry and started contacting EGs sponsors. What do you want EG to do? Tell their sponsors that they support him calling people niggers?
I understand that.
However, having someone on your team that said nigger in the past does not mean that the team in question supports the use of the word.
I also understand that people in general aren't smart. What I don't understand is how anyone could possibly make an assumption like that. It's so far-fetched, and honestly I think it could be dismissed as someone being stupid.
I would also like to note that I realize there's not much else they could have done in response, except have him say make a public apology or something similar, and the way this thread turned out, it doesn't seem like that would have helped either.
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the thing is that when you are on stream your are a public figure and as such you should be represent the very best of your self. You can't just think that your home alone playing when in fact a bunch of people are watching you play.
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On March 14 2012 07:08 SnuggleZhenya wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:44 FecalTank wrote:
As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
You realize that when you use a racial term as a "generic insult" that the implication is that it is BAD to be that race right? THAT is the entire point of this. Its like half the people on this board have no sense of the last 50 years of american history.
Language changes all the time; words gain new connotations and lose old ones. If people use it without that sense of history, that would actually make it justified because they aren't drawing from centuries worth of bigotry, they are just using it in a void as a "generic insult". If you say something sucks, are you demeaning people who practice oral sex? If you say something's gay, are you demeaning people who are happy? If you say something's dumb, are you demeaning people who cannot speak? It's absurd to believe that every connotation of a word is exchangeable, even if at one point they were related.
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This thread has sooooooooooo run it's course now...............
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On March 14 2012 06:44 FecalTank wrote:
As it has been said, this whole incident is just silly. It is incredibly clear that it wasn't being said as a racial slur, but as a generic insult. If you seriously believe that it isn't used as a low-tier insult much more often then it is an actual insult against one's race, then I feel bad for you.
I feel that if orb had called the guy a faggot, or some other "offensive" word, then he probably wouldn't be in so much trouble, if any at all.
You seem to be oblivious to how the world operates. It is not possible to say the racial slur in the context that orb used it in and it not be considered a racist comment against African-Americans. Also, WTF is a generic insult?
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