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The Shiva
United States8 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:26 Kharnage wrote: MLG is free. MLG Arena isn't. You are comparing apples to oranges. why cant you compare one fruit with another? ipl and mlg are both "fruits" they both run sc2 tournaments. why cant you compare them? | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:26 Kharnage wrote: MLG is free. MLG Arena isn't. You are comparing apples to oranges. Oh really? And how is MLG different than MLG Arena? Both are tournaments with some of the best players and casters. Only difference is that Sundance decided to foot the bill to fly everyone to the most expensive city in the country and then guilt the community to pay for it. What exactly did Arena add except taking away the live audience? You may argue that without paying for the player's flight and accomodation, they won't come and there will be no tournament. My counter argument is that those same players flew here on their own dime before for a measly $5k first prize for regular MLG. While the community complained about lag and other technical difficulties with streams with previous MLGs, they decided to blow all their money on invites and still managed to give us shitty streaming over the weekend. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:44 Longshank wrote: They didn't lose revenue for this event, true, but they might for the next one. Seeing how the workarounds and restreams came aplenty and with no effort, I bet there's quite a few people who will try to catch one of those for the next arena. Not that I feel bad about it, watched it for free, will do again. Yeah, I edited that in when I realized it would affect future events. I wouldn't understand MLG if they don't rectify this issue though. Allowing people to get restreams or get an easy work-around is just a giant "fuck you" to their paying customers. They alienate not only those who don't want to pay, but those who pay as well. Not a good idea. | ||
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lithium3n
United States74 Posts
edit: lols bad math, either way bad example I'll leave it up I don't mind being wrong. Well more representative to the poll ~25% paid 20 dollars and ~20% were too cheap to pay at all and watched a restream. Normally you can find 10k viewers in a free tournament. So: 2,500 paying viewers * $20 vs 8,000 paying viewers * $10 | ||
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Ice Climber
United States46 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:14 gumshoe wrote: I speak of children sir children, we mustn't alienate the toddlers  If you can buy a gift card you can buy a prepaid visa card, unless there's an age restrication in Canada that I don't know about, but I doubt it. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:59 lithium3n wrote: Based on the poll, the price wasn't right. Basic economics in a competitive market, is to lower the price until there is a optimal supply vs. demand. If only 5000 people out of 10000 paid 20 dollars this translates to $10,000, but if you lowered it to 5 dollars but got 8000 people to buy, this would be $16,000. You are assuming that poll is representative of reality, that is a pretty big assumption. | ||
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:14 Duravi wrote: You are assuming that poll is representative of reality, that is a pretty big assumption. people with minimal econ knowledge making big assumptions? inconceivable | ||
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DigitalDevil
219 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:59 lithium3n wrote: Based on the poll, the price wasn't right. Basic economics in a competitive market, is to lower the price until there is a optimal supply vs. demand. If only 5000 people out of 10000 paid 20 dollars this translates to $10,000, but if you lowered it to 5 dollars but got 8000 people to buy, this would be $16,000. Wait, where did you get those numbers? 5,000x20 = 100,000 and 8,000x5 = 40,000 Something I'm missing? XD | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
MLG cannot afford to make mistakes like these if they were to be successful. | ||
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Mythra
New Zealand274 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:59 lithium3n wrote: Based on the poll, the price wasn't right. Basic economics in a competitive market, is to lower the price until there is a optimal supply vs. demand. If only 5000 people out of 10000 paid 20 dollars this translates to $10,000, but if you lowered it to 5 dollars but got 8000 people to buy, this would be $16,000. Wow what is this maths? | ||
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battyone
United States180 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:29 ilikeredheads wrote: Whether you watch MLG arena or not (paid or not), I think it's safe to say that MLG has somehow manage to screw their paying customers AGAIN, or at least make them feel cheated. I know I would feel that way if I paid the controversial 20 bucks and found out that there are ways to watch the streams for free. MLG cannot afford to make mistakes like these if they were to be successful. Why would I, as someone who paid for the stream, feel cheated? I paid and got what I paid for. Just like when I go to a store I don't feel cheated because some kid shoplifted that candybar he wanted while I paid full price for it, or when I go to the movies and some people manage to sneak in. I don't resent them for getting a better deal (even though I question their ethics, but hey), and in no way do I feel cheated, I paid for something and got it. There are always going to be restreams, or some circumvention of a paywall system, or some other way to sneak into the theater, not pay but enjoy the show, etc. MLG could have taken better steps to mitigate the amount of people watching for free, and I hope they do take a lesson from this, but at the end of the day it just strikes an odd chord with me to feel cheated when getting what you paid for. *shrug* | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:01 FlyingToilet wrote: its lost revenue, giving the opportunity to not pay for it in the first place is what i hurting the people, not just the ceo but everyone who works for that company is getting cuts. and the people who fund mlg is not like a big bank, gamble a way to plan out the event this year that doesn't pay off means they are fucked, they don't get buy outs and get saved. honestly voicing the wrong idea is not helping im not riding the high society yacht but at least not watching mlg at all instead of some stream leak is obviously showing some appreciation to the people putting out that content for you! Care to explain how it's lost revenue? | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:29 ilikeredheads wrote: Whether you watch MLG arena or not (paid or not), I think it's safe to say that MLG has somehow manage to screw their paying customers AGAIN, or at least make them feel cheated. I know I would feel that way if I paid the controversial 20 bucks and found out that there are ways to watch the streams for free. MLG cannot afford to make mistakes like these if they were to be successful. If a customer is mad at MLG because there was a work around, fuck them. This is a stupid statement to make. Was there a great stream all weekend long with the quality that MLG had promised (bar the twitchtv problem in the finals)? YES! They were not cheated out of anything. This is basically saying "God damnit apple! Why the fuck did I BUY your iPad when I could have STOLEN it?! You need to fix this!". | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:11 Ice Climber wrote: If you can buy a gift card you can buy a prepaid visa card, unless there's an age restrication in Canada that I don't know about, but I doubt it. Theres a $3 activation fee on visa gift cards, same with AE and other gift cards like that | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2012 15:54 LanTAs wrote: Theres a $3 activation fee on visa gift cards, same with AE and other gift cards like that Can't you reload them though? What's the big deal, one time $3 fee...? | ||
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Traz
Netherlands23 Posts
Except for a portion of the matches on Saturday, I've seen all matches from the vods. There were a few things disappointing to me: -A few of the vods were incomplete at the time I watched. -The vods were cut from countdown to gg, content before and in between games was absent. -When loading up a vod, the total length in time of the games is already given away, though this isn't an indication for the outcome of the game, it is an indication of what kind of game you can expect and a spoiler to some degree because of it. -There had been several spoilers from casters during games, the lay-out of the vod section could contain spoilers as well if you didn't feel like digging through a whole round first before moving on to the next. I really really missed the full re-stream like there has been on the previous MLG event, maybe I didn't look good enough and it has been there all along, I'm not sure. The interface looked really slick, I enjoyed watching it even though it was just for a few hours on the Saturday. The games I've seen were very entertaining and I enjoyed most of them a lot. Down the line, I think $20 is a decent price, if you are capable of following the event live. If my time-zone would not be limiting for following the whole event live, I would most definitely pay $20 again. If there would be a lower subscription just for watching vods, I would take it in a heartbeat. A future MLG Arena event held in Europe would be absolutely awesome. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
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Ruscour
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Icky
Denmark95 Posts
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