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On February 28 2012 11:07 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:58 DirtyCash wrote:
Watched without paying via Chrome ABP.
I pay for GSL. I paid for the two last Homestory Cups. To me the content just isnt worth the $20.
Why I'm happy I didnt pay:
-The casting. Sheth and Grubby were a breath of fresh air (but they were kept on the sidelines, apparently they cant pointlessly scream/fake emotions enough to make it to the big stage), the others were very disappointing. JP/Wheat/Rob/Tasteless werent insightful nor entertaining. Tasteless seemed sick or something, never seen him this bad. I think we reached a new low with that abysmal JP + Wheat combo I hope to never witness again. Even Artosis got on my nerves with his general bias against MKP and his complete cluelessness in the final game of the finals wich added to the awkwardness of the moment.
I realise this is more of SC2-Casting scene problem as a whole than MLG specifically, but you are selling this as a $20 PPV, the standards are different than your usual tournament.
-The production as a whole wasnt anything special. Players in front of a light source made player-cameras useless, you could feel the space was small with those weird camera switches during roundtables. In the absence of a crowd there wasnt much to film to produce the MLG "wow effect" the regular circuit has (again, it culminated in the finals with the one guy slowclapping when MKP won)
nothing worth $20 there, I would argue Assembly did better.
-4 concurrent streams seems like a great feature, but in reality you still end up missing a lot. It just feels wrong to me for some reason, like you have to do the job of MLG because they cant find a more viewer-friendly tournament format. People buy UFC PPVs because its a well polished product you can enjoy by just sitting your fat ass in the couch for 2hours drinking beer and eating chips, not changing camera angles/switching fights all night. They showcase a limited number of fights for a reason.
-The extended series rule has to go, it really takes from the potential excitement of some matches by removing rounds. By miracle the final wasnt affected but it happened already and its just not acceptable. This is not Halo.
Something else that is not acceptable : BO3 Quarters and Semis. Just terrible, really kills a lot of the entertainment value, the matches didnt feel special at all.
The only thing I thought was worth paying for was the player list, but I dont care for foreigner vs Korean drama, I just want high level games, and I get that already from my GSL ticket for half the price.
There, just my 2cents, dont get all butthurt aboot it. So you didn't like it, but kept watching for free? Hmm gives you plenty of room to judge right? "Well I don't like this ennough to pay for it, but I'll still take it for free since I like it, I just don't want to pay, but want free entertaining without earning it"
Told you not to get butthurt, but there you go.
I watched the 2 last days. I commented on what I saw. The end.
Your moral high ground bullshit is laughable, lets just cut it.
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On February 28 2012 11:16 DirtyCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:07 hunts wrote:On February 28 2012 10:58 DirtyCash wrote:
Watched without paying via Chrome ABP.
I pay for GSL. I paid for the two last Homestory Cups. To me the content just isnt worth the $20.
Why I'm happy I didnt pay:
-The casting. Sheth and Grubby were a breath of fresh air (but they were kept on the sidelines, apparently they cant pointlessly scream/fake emotions enough to make it to the big stage), the others were very disappointing. JP/Wheat/Rob/Tasteless werent insightful nor entertaining. Tasteless seemed sick or something, never seen him this bad. I think we reached a new low with that abysmal JP + Wheat combo I hope to never witness again. Even Artosis got on my nerves with his general bias against MKP and his complete cluelessness in the final game of the finals wich added to the awkwardness of the moment.
I realise this is more of SC2-Casting scene problem as a whole than MLG specifically, but you are selling this as a $20 PPV, the standards are different than your usual tournament.
-The production as a whole wasnt anything special. Players in front of a light source made player-cameras useless, you could feel the space was small with those weird camera switches during roundtables. In the absence of a crowd there wasnt much to film to produce the MLG "wow effect" the regular circuit has (again, it culminated in the finals with the one guy slowclapping when MKP won)
nothing worth $20 there, I would argue Assembly did better.
-4 concurrent streams seems like a great feature, but in reality you still end up missing a lot. It just feels wrong to me for some reason, like you have to do the job of MLG because they cant find a more viewer-friendly tournament format. People buy UFC PPVs because its a well polished product you can enjoy by just sitting your fat ass in the couch for 2hours drinking beer and eating chips, not changing camera angles/switching fights all night. They showcase a limited number of fights for a reason.
-The extended series rule has to go, it really takes from the potential excitement of some matches by removing rounds. By miracle the final wasnt affected but it happened already and its just not acceptable. This is not Halo.
Something else that is not acceptable : BO3 Quarters and Semis. Just terrible, really kills a lot of the entertainment value, the matches didnt feel special at all.
The only thing I thought was worth paying for was the player list, but I dont care for foreigner vs Korean drama, I just want high level games, and I get that already from my GSL ticket for half the price.
There, just my 2cents, dont get all butthurt aboot it. So you didn't like it, but kept watching for free? Hmm gives you plenty of room to judge right? "Well I don't like this ennough to pay for it, but I'll still take it for free since I like it, I just don't want to pay, but want free entertaining without earning it" Told you not to get butthurt, but there you go. I watched the 2 last days. I commented on what I saw. The end. Your moral high ground bullshit is laughable, lets just cut it.
I paid, watched the full thing, and fully agree with your post.If i had paid trough paypal, i would chargeback my fucking money 100%.
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damnit i came here to make a post about how watching mlg for free is hurting the sc2 community regardless and all i see is people talking about who has more morals and what not, don't watch it if you don' wanna pay, simple as that or else you are hurting someone somewhere regardless. And who cares if someone is posting about o00OO00oo look at me i have higher morals and paid, at least their setting the right example for the rest of the raging flamers in here...
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On February 28 2012 11:26 FlyingToilet wrote:
damnit i came here to make a post about how watching mlg for free is hurting the sc2 community regardless and all i see is people talking about who has more morals and what not, don't watch it if you don' wanna pay, simple as that or else you are hurting someone somewhere regardless. And who cares if someone is posting about o00OO00oo look at me i have higher morals and paid, at least their setting the right example for the rest of the raging flamers in here...
I know I probably shouldn't take this route, but how exactly are you hurting someone somewhere regardless? That doesn't make sense. If you weren't going to pay regardless, how does watching hurt anyone? MLG would have never gotten that income, they didn't lose anything by you (or me) watching.
That said, even though I acquired a restream, I simply didn't watch... well I did, like half of 2 games total.
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On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG.
They AREN'T MAKING MONEY.
They are NOT PROFITABLE.
Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit.
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Had Gold card, but since it's not honored, I decided to pass.
Fortunately, work got me busy.
Still bummed about it though.
I hope MLG gives a better deal next time.
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On February 28 2012 11:49 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG. They AREN'T MAKING MONEY. They are NOT PROFITABLE. Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit.
Alderaan funny running into you hear 
I dont mind that they asked us to pay, I just didn't watch, my issue is that they've alienated a large portion of the audience of a very young sport, see I appreciate that gomtv lets us watch all the games live albeit in piss poor quality, I still get up every now and then in the morning to be reminded why this game is great. If mlg did a similar thing I would have no gripes, but they are literally just saying no to those who don't have access to credit .
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On February 28 2012 12:00 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:49 Alderan wrote:On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG. They AREN'T MAKING MONEY. They are NOT PROFITABLE. Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit. Alderaan funny running into you hear I dont mind that they asked us to pay, I just didn't watch, my issue is that they've alienated a large portion of the audience of a very young sport, see I appreciate that gomtv lets us watch all the games live albeit in piss poor quality, I still get up every now and then in the morning to be reminded why this game is great. If mlg did a similar thing I would have no gripes, but they are literally just saying no to those who don't have access to credit .
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=prepaid credit card canada
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I didn't pay, I watched the streams not even knowing you were supposed to pay. I used firefox WITH cookies WITHOUT privacy mode. It just never gave me any ' pay or leave 'opt.
If I were to pay, I'd pay 10 or less. $20 for a few VODs is weird. Do it twice and you have yourself a new sc2 account which you can do whatever with.
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On February 28 2012 12:05 Ice Climber wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:00 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2012 11:49 Alderan wrote:On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG. They AREN'T MAKING MONEY. They are NOT PROFITABLE. Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit. Alderaan funny running into you hear I dont mind that they asked us to pay, I just didn't watch, my issue is that they've alienated a large portion of the audience of a very young sport, see I appreciate that gomtv lets us watch all the games live albeit in piss poor quality, I still get up every now and then in the morning to be reminded why this game is great. If mlg did a similar thing I would have no gripes, but they are literally just saying no to those who don't have access to credit . http://lmgtfy.com/?q=prepaid credit card canada
I speak of children sir children, we mustn't alienate the toddlers
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On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG.
MLG is free. MLG Arena isn't. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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On February 28 2012 11:49 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG. They AREN'T MAKING MONEY. They are NOT PROFITABLE. Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit.
How you know you got their 10k handy? And so what if it is? It's a price that's sustainable because it seems to be where price is meeting demand by reactions so far. MLG's price was a cynical joke.
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On February 28 2012 11:49 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:44 ninjamyst wrote:
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG. They AREN'T MAKING MONEY. They are NOT PROFITABLE. Sure you like it, but it doesn't matter if it's just a huge unsustainable money pit.
Short term profit is not the only (nor the most important) measure of a successful business model. Taking a loss now for greater, more sustainable gains in the future is often (almost always) better than making profit right now.
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I had $15 to my name when MLG announced this, so being in my fiscal position my options were either not watch at all, or watch without paying so I chose the route that allowed me to watch. With that being said, anytime I do have the money to spend on that I will, it looked like the set up and everything was amazing, so if I have the money, I fully intend on paying in the future. MLG if you read this, announce the PPV a month or so ahead of time for those of us who are college kids living on a budget can factor that in!
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Well watching through a restream may be akin to piracy (not to mention a restream will never be of as good quality and you don't have control over the streams like with quad view), watching through their own client due to their incompetence at setting up a paywall is not. They made choices that allowed people to get the full experience without paying or doing anything illegal (maybe you could debate that watching a restream isn't illegal, but the people actually restreaming were certainly breaking the law).
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On February 28 2012 11:46 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:26 FlyingToilet wrote:
damnit i came here to make a post about how watching mlg for free is hurting the sc2 community regardless and all i see is people talking about who has more morals and what not, don't watch it if you don' wanna pay, simple as that or else you are hurting someone somewhere regardless. And who cares if someone is posting about o00OO00oo look at me i have higher morals and paid, at least their setting the right example for the rest of the raging flamers in here... I know I probably shouldn't take this route, but how exactly are you hurting someone somewhere regardless? That doesn't make sense. If you weren't going to pay regardless, how does watching hurt anyone? MLG would have never gotten that income, they didn't lose anything by you (or me) watching. That said, even though I acquired a restream, I simply didn't watch... well I did, like half of 2 games total.
its lost revenue, giving the opportunity to not pay for it in the first place is what i hurting the people, not just the ceo but everyone who works for that company is getting cuts. and the people who fund mlg is not like a big bank, gamble a way to plan out the event this year that doesn't pay off means they are fucked, they don't get buy outs and get saved. honestly voicing the wrong idea is not helping im not riding the high society yacht but at least not watching mlg at all instead of some stream leak is obviously showing some appreciation to the people putting out that content for you!
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I didn't pay or watch, but its interesting to see how many people are for pirating until it hits esports
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On February 28 2012 13:01 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:46 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 28 2012 11:26 FlyingToilet wrote:
damnit i came here to make a post about how watching mlg for free is hurting the sc2 community regardless and all i see is people talking about who has more morals and what not, don't watch it if you don' wanna pay, simple as that or else you are hurting someone somewhere regardless. And who cares if someone is posting about o00OO00oo look at me i have higher morals and paid, at least their setting the right example for the rest of the raging flamers in here... I know I probably shouldn't take this route, but how exactly are you hurting someone somewhere regardless? That doesn't make sense. If you weren't going to pay regardless, how does watching hurt anyone? MLG would have never gotten that income, they didn't lose anything by you (or me) watching. That said, even though I acquired a restream, I simply didn't watch... well I did, like half of 2 games total. its lost revenue, giving the opportunity to not pay for it in the first place is what i hurting the people, not just the ceo but everyone who works for that company is getting cuts. and the people who fund mlg is not like a big bank, gamble a way to plan out the event this year that doesn't pay off means they are fucked, they don't get buy outs and get saved. honestly voicing the wrong idea is not helping im not riding the high society yacht but at least not watching mlg at all instead of some stream leak is obviously showing some appreciation to the people putting out that content for you!
The only lost revenue in this case are those that decided not to buy the ticket because they were counting on finding a restream. Those who just stumbled upon a restream (because of other posts in the LR thread or some other means) or got around the paywall somehow do not count as lost revenue because they had no intention of paying for the product regardless of the availability of a free method. If restreams and work-arounds were not possible, they still would not have paid for the Arena.
I am not arguing that what they did is right, or that they don't indirectly harm the holy shrine that is esports. It is incorrect, however, to claim that MLG lost (much) revenue from restreams/crappy paywall.
EDIT: It is possible though that MLG will lose future revenue in future Arenas because people now know that restreams/paywall work-arounds might be available. Former subscribers and potential subscribers that opt for restreams (since it has been proven to be possible, more people might take that chance) instead of purchasing a ticket will count as lost revenue.
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On February 28 2012 13:30 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 13:01 FlyingToilet wrote:On February 28 2012 11:46 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 28 2012 11:26 FlyingToilet wrote:
damnit i came here to make a post about how watching mlg for free is hurting the sc2 community regardless and all i see is people talking about who has more morals and what not, don't watch it if you don' wanna pay, simple as that or else you are hurting someone somewhere regardless. And who cares if someone is posting about o00OO00oo look at me i have higher morals and paid, at least their setting the right example for the rest of the raging flamers in here... I know I probably shouldn't take this route, but how exactly are you hurting someone somewhere regardless? That doesn't make sense. If you weren't going to pay regardless, how does watching hurt anyone? MLG would have never gotten that income, they didn't lose anything by you (or me) watching. That said, even though I acquired a restream, I simply didn't watch... well I did, like half of 2 games total. its lost revenue, giving the opportunity to not pay for it in the first place is what i hurting the people, not just the ceo but everyone who works for that company is getting cuts. and the people who fund mlg is not like a big bank, gamble a way to plan out the event this year that doesn't pay off means they are fucked, they don't get buy outs and get saved. honestly voicing the wrong idea is not helping im not riding the high society yacht but at least not watching mlg at all instead of some stream leak is obviously showing some appreciation to the people putting out that content for you! The only lost revenue in this case are those that decided not to buy the ticket because they were counting on finding a restream. Those who just stumbled upon a restream (because of other posts in the LR thread or some other means) or got around the paywall somehow do not count as lost revenue because they had no intention of paying for the product regardless of the availability of a free method. If restreams and work-arounds were not possible, they still would not have paid for the Arena. I am not arguing that what they did is right, or that they don't indirectly harm the holy shrine that is esports. It is incorrect, however, to claim that MLG lost (much) revenue from restreams/crappy paywall. EDIT: It is possible though that MLG will lose future revenue in future Arenas because people now know that restreams/paywall work-arounds might be available. Former subscribers and potential subscribers that opt for restreams (since it has been proven to be possible, more people might take that chance) instead of purchasing a ticket will count as lost revenue.
They didn't lose revenue for this event, true, but they might for the next one. Seeing how the workarounds and restreams came aplenty and with no effort, I bet there's quite a few people who will try to catch one of those for the next arena. Not that I feel bad about it, watched it for free, will do again.
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