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odaxium
Profile Joined October 2010
United States356 Posts
February 27 2012 23:41 GMT
#1021
gold member, paid the $15
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
February 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#1022
I didn't watch it... Was busy and $20 >.>
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
February 27 2012 23:54 GMT
#1023
so they made 16k on ppv at least, probably a lot more.

so ppv works no matter if 70% dont like it/wont pay, 30% is enough probably
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 27 2012 23:54 GMT
#1024
I think MLG is missing out on a lot of hype by limiting its audience with the cost of PPV.
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cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 00:19:58
February 28 2012 00:03 GMT
#1025
On February 28 2012 06:07 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 06:04 FlyingToilet wrote:
who cares if you didn't steal anything because it wasn't worded correctly, there's no excuse for watching content people go out of their way's to put out for a little revenue, if u don't like paying then don't watch. nobody gives a fuck about your ad block or how your cool because you watched a 20$ stream for free, don't try and act like you should be in a discussion if you didn't even bother to respect the people who put that content out there for you on their own free time...


you're a valiant white knight. you're a rare breed in this online climate to have never downloaded a movie, music or videogame. What a saint you are to not only the economy but to the moral justice of the internets. keep fighting the good fight!


I don't think you know what "white knight" means.


Anyway, I didn't pay or watch, but that is due to my decreasing interest in watching SC2 as a whole.

But I can say for sure that if I really did want to watch it, I definitely wouldn't pay $20. I find that to be an unreasonable given how almost all sc2 events will be shown free of charge. Also, there is also a risk of the service being subpar, given the state of online streaming, which would definitely make it not worth the price. For instance see the people in this thread complaining about lag and issues with the stream, especially during the most important times.

I'm not saying it must be free, but it comes off as greedy to some people when you go from providing your tournaments free to providing it for a high price (higher than GSL.)

Some people here have been quick to get angry at all of the people that "stole" the product, but there can be numerous reasons as to why the $20 would be completely unreasonable for them, and you'll find a lot of valid complaints while reading through the entire thread. I would mainly attribute this to MLG not providing a proper service to a lot of the customers, but there will always be people who will avoid paying no matter what. Those that do not pay will not be the majority though because a lot of people are happy with receiving what they believe is a good price for a good product.

It's a bit funny how MLG screwed up so badly in trying to keep out people who didn't pay. They deserve some blame for that.

If it was worth $20 to you, great! If not, oh well.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
February 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#1026
Are there VODs for this tournament, and if so where can I find them? I looked on MLG's website but it's an awful design so I couldn't find any information.
I am a tournament organizazer.
MassacrisM
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom149 Posts
February 28 2012 00:12 GMT
#1027
MLG is no longer the 'equivalence' of GSL in the foreign scene like it somewhat was in my eyes. I hope MLG made a lot of money out of all that and it was worth the time of those who bothered to pay for it.
" One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision " - Bertrand Russell
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
February 28 2012 00:14 GMT
#1028
On February 28 2012 09:03 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 06:07 crms wrote:
On February 28 2012 06:04 FlyingToilet wrote:
who cares if you didn't steal anything because it wasn't worded correctly, there's no excuse for watching content people go out of their way's to put out for a little revenue, if u don't like paying then don't watch. nobody gives a fuck about your ad block or how your cool because you watched a 20$ stream for free, don't try and act like you should be in a discussion if you didn't even bother to respect the people who put that content out there for you on their own free time...


you're a valiant white knight. you're a rare breed in this online climate to have never downloaded a movie, music or videogame. What a saint you are to not only the economy but to the moral justice of the internets. keep fighting the good fight!


I don't think you know what "white knight" means.


Anyway, I didn't pay or watch, but that is due to my decreasing interest in watching SC2 as a whole.

But I can say for sure that if I really did want to watch it, I definitely wouldn't pay $20. I find that to be an unreasonable given how almost all sc2 events will be shown free of charge. Also, there is also a risk of the service being subpar, given the state of online streaming, which would definitely make it not worth the price. For instance see the people in this thread complaining about lag and issues with the stream, especially during the most important times.

I'm not saying it must be free, but it comes off as greedy to some people when you go from providing your tournaments free to providing it for a high price (higher than GSL.)

Some people here have been quick to get angry at all of the people that "stole" the product, but there can be numerous reasons as to why the $20 would be completely unreasonable for them, and you'll find a lot of valid complaints while reading through the entire thread. I would mainly attribute this to MLG not providing a proper service to a lot of the customers, but there will always be people who will avoid paying no matter what. Those that do not pay will not be the majority though because a lot of people are happy with receiving what they believe is a good price for a good product.

It's a bit funny how MLG screwed up so badly in trying to keep out people who didn't pay. Entirely their fault in that regard.


I would cut MLG some slack on the paywall issues, they probably had the expectation that twitch wouldn't be full retard. I'm sure they are not happy, if they use twitch again for the next PPV event though, it will be entirely on them. For those saying twitch is the best out there, that is bullshit. Who does ESPN and Direct TV use for streaming? I've never had a problem with either. The only thing that makes twitch more attractive is accessibility and perhaps cost, but if they can't be trusted to work a paywall or deliver a consistent stream, they should be dropped by professional organizations like MLG.
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
February 28 2012 00:14 GMT
#1029
On February 27 2012 10:28 BoomNasty wrote:
Anyone who did the work around does not want e-sports to progress


If they want e-Sports to progress, MLG needs to take in consideration how young this new age is. 20 bucks for a weekend of content, especially overlapped with a major European tournament, is simply an invitation to people to find ways of working it around. Though this should not be an excuse for people to cheat, MLG brought this upon themselves.
Wisemen speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they have to say something.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1013 Posts
February 28 2012 00:19 GMT
#1030
On February 28 2012 09:14 Duravi wrote:

I would cut MLG some slack on the paywall issues, they probably had the expectation that twitch wouldn't be full retard. I'm sure they are not happy, if they use twitch again for the next PPV event though, it will be entirely on them. For those saying twitch is the best out there, that is bullshit. Who does ESPN and Direct TV use for streaming? I've never had a problem with either. The only thing that makes twitch more attractive is accessibility and perhaps cost, but if they can't be trusted to work a paywall or deliver a consistent stream, they should be dropped by professional organizations like MLG.


Well yeah I guess. In hindsight they probably should have tested it a bit. I'm not too big a fan of twitch.tv, so wouldn't mind seeing them or other tournaments try a different streaming service as long as it's not too much of an annoyance for the viewer.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
February 28 2012 00:24 GMT
#1031
I watched without paying.
BlazeTSR
Profile Joined November 2011
United States218 Posts
February 28 2012 00:25 GMT
#1032
I think the tournament had a ton of great games and perfect pull of personalities from all around, and I guess they did what they could have to make it a nice production. I do believe it wasn't a $20 production though; maybe, more of a $10-15 event.
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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
February 28 2012 00:27 GMT
#1033
$20 just isn't worth it when this is really *just another* sc2 tournament. I mean there's practically a tournament every week, that you can watch for free, in addition to the GSL which I believe only charges ten dollars for each season. Maybe if all the tournaments collectively decided to charge, things would change. But then the amount of restreams would probably increase dramatically.
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
February 28 2012 00:33 GMT
#1034
I figure I will just watch the videos later on.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Neurotic
Profile Joined August 2011
6 Posts
February 28 2012 00:43 GMT
#1035
I think if MLG went back to the old ways of streaming which was. The event in low quality is free, then for 720 and other things, you would pay money. That way would attract a lot more viewers, and if ppl really wanted the extra, they could pay for it. But for regular people, just watching the matches is enough
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
February 28 2012 00:44 GMT
#1036
IPL just announced its pricing plan for IPL4. FREEEE stream up to 480p. $5.00 for 720p and 1080p. That's the right way to do tournaments. Their production value is way way better than MLG.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
February 28 2012 01:08 GMT
#1037
To all the people who paid, was the 20 bucks worth it??
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 28 2012 01:26 GMT
#1038
On February 28 2012 10:08 ilikeredheads wrote:
To all the people who paid, was the 20 bucks worth it??


Overall, yeah.

Things that made it worth it: Tastosis, very good players, getting to see some of the casters in a more relaxed atmosphere, getting to see a blizzard esports worker casting while someone DCs on their awesome b.net 0.2 system.

things that made me very annoyed: lag on the stream, 1080p being nearly unwarrantable because of twitch.tv, constantly having to log in.

And most importantly the biggest annoyance: the fact that the paywall didn't work, and that now we have a bunch of kids who watched for free who feel entitled to brag about it and go "yeah i watched for free definitely not worth it" I honestly wish the TL mods would take a more firm stance on doing something about all the people acting entitled about working a way around the payed stream, since as it is with reading this thread it almost seems that TL condones the act of getting around the paywall by not doing anything about all the people trying to brag about it.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
DirtyCash
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada189 Posts
February 28 2012 01:58 GMT
#1039
Watched without paying via Chrome ABP.

I pay for GSL. I paid for the two last Homestory Cups. To me the content just isnt worth the $20.

Why I'm happy I didnt pay:
-The casting. Sheth and Grubby were a breath of fresh air (but they were kept on the sidelines, apparently they cant pointlessly scream/fake emotions enough to make it to the big stage), the others were very disappointing. JP/Wheat/Rob/Tasteless werent insightful nor entertaining. Tasteless seemed sick or something, never seen him this bad. I think we reached a new low with that abysmal JP + Wheat combo I hope to never witness again. Even Artosis got on my nerves with his general bias against MKP and his complete cluelessness in the final game of the finals wich added to the awkwardness of the moment.
I realise this is more of SC2-Casting scene problem as a whole than MLG specifically, but you are selling this as a $20 PPV, the standards are different than your usual tournament.

-The production as a whole wasnt anything special. Players in front of a light source made player-cameras useless, you could feel the space was small with those weird camera switches during roundtables. In the absence of a crowd there wasnt much to film to produce the MLG "wow effect" the regular circuit has (again, it culminated in the finals with the one guy slowclapping when MKP won)
nothing worth $20 there, I would argue Assembly did better.

-4 concurrent streams seems like a great feature, but in reality you still end up missing a lot. It just feels wrong to me for some reason, like you have to do the job of MLG because they cant find a more viewer-friendly tournament format. People buy UFC PPVs because its a well polished product you can enjoy by just sitting your fat ass in the couch for 2hours drinking beer and eating chips, not changing camera angles/switching fights all night. They showcase a limited number of fights for a reason.

-The extended series rule has to go, it really takes from the potential excitement of some matches by removing rounds. By miracle the final wasnt affected but it happened already and its just not acceptable. This is not Halo.
Something else that is not acceptable : BO3 Quarters and Semis. Just terrible, really kills a lot of the entertainment value, the matches didnt feel special at all.

The only thing I thought was worth paying for was the player list, but I dont care for foreigner vs Korean drama, I just want high level games, and I get that already from my GSL ticket for half the price.

There, just my 2cents, dont get all butthurt aboot it.
fOrGG ♦ Creator
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 28 2012 02:07 GMT
#1040
On February 28 2012 10:58 DirtyCash wrote:
Watched without paying via Chrome ABP.

I pay for GSL. I paid for the two last Homestory Cups. To me the content just isnt worth the $20.

Why I'm happy I didnt pay:
-The casting. Sheth and Grubby were a breath of fresh air (but they were kept on the sidelines, apparently they cant pointlessly scream/fake emotions enough to make it to the big stage), the others were very disappointing. JP/Wheat/Rob/Tasteless werent insightful nor entertaining. Tasteless seemed sick or something, never seen him this bad. I think we reached a new low with that abysmal JP + Wheat combo I hope to never witness again. Even Artosis got on my nerves with his general bias against MKP and his complete cluelessness in the final game of the finals wich added to the awkwardness of the moment.
I realise this is more of SC2-Casting scene problem as a whole than MLG specifically, but you are selling this as a $20 PPV, the standards are different than your usual tournament.

-The production as a whole wasnt anything special. Players in front of a light source made player-cameras useless, you could feel the space was small with those weird camera switches during roundtables. In the absence of a crowd there wasnt much to film to produce the MLG "wow effect" the regular circuit has (again, it culminated in the finals with the one guy slowclapping when MKP won)
nothing worth $20 there, I would argue Assembly did better.

-4 concurrent streams seems like a great feature, but in reality you still end up missing a lot. It just feels wrong to me for some reason, like you have to do the job of MLG because they cant find a more viewer-friendly tournament format. People buy UFC PPVs because its a well polished product you can enjoy by just sitting your fat ass in the couch for 2hours drinking beer and eating chips, not changing camera angles/switching fights all night. They showcase a limited number of fights for a reason.

-The extended series rule has to go, it really takes from the potential excitement of some matches by removing rounds. By miracle the final wasnt affected but it happened already and its just not acceptable. This is not Halo.
Something else that is not acceptable : BO3 Quarters and Semis. Just terrible, really kills a lot of the entertainment value, the matches didnt feel special at all.

The only thing I thought was worth paying for was the player list, but I dont care for foreigner vs Korean drama, I just want high level games, and I get that already from my GSL ticket for half the price.

There, just my 2cents, dont get all butthurt aboot it.


So you didn't like it, but kept watching for free? Hmm gives you plenty of room to judge right? "Well I don't like this ennough to pay for it, but I'll still take it for free since I like it, I just don't want to pay, but want free entertaining without earning it"
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