So yah GG MLG.
And me for beeing poor.
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Rafael
Venezuela182 Posts
So yah GG MLG. And me for beeing poor. | ||
Meta
United States6225 Posts
From what I saw, though, it was a decent tournament. Nothing all that memorable to be honest. One of the reasons free e-sports is so awesome is that you can come and go as you please, you're not forced to watch every game and it's just there in the background if you have the time. I doubt I'll ever spend money on PPV e-sports. I would just rather have the free-to-watch tournaments flourish and support them with my viewership over the PPV tournaments. Sorry Sundance / MLG. I mean, even the GSL is free to watch live, and I've been watching that tournament as often as possible since it began, and will continue to for as long as it's free. | ||
Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:12 ceaRshaf wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 05:06 mvtaylor wrote: On February 28 2012 04:49 Merlimoo wrote: On February 28 2012 04:37 Talack wrote: On February 28 2012 04:27 ceaRshaf wrote: On February 28 2012 04:24 jmbthirteen wrote: On February 28 2012 04:18 ceaRshaf wrote: On February 28 2012 04:15 Klondikebar wrote: On February 28 2012 04:09 Chenz wrote: On February 28 2012 04:04 jmbthirteen wrote: [quote] how early do you want them to start? They started at 10:30am local time after going pretty late the night before. You really want players starting early in the morning after playing late into the night? Don't show all games, start earlier on the Friday, start on Thursday or reduce downtime. It's not impossible, but I'm not saying it's feasible either. All I know is that it's quite hard to motivate yourself to spend $20 on an event and then being unable to watch the finals. Also, it might be possible to have the event go Thursday to Saturday, that would also make the events more EU friendly. Just for the record, MLG is an American tournament so their schedule is probably always going to be tailored for American audiences. This is true for every continent. Assembly wasn't exactly American friendly and GSL requires us to be nocturnal. Not trying to say "screw the Euros!" but just saying that tournament schedules are going to be tailored for a specific audience. Don't care when it starts but don't charge me the same as the target audience. Well then I don't want to pay the same thing for GSL. It starts at 1 a.m for me and is over by 6 a.m. on long days. GSL is not complaining about not making money so they might not care since they already are the best tournament. MLG is far from GLS so they shouldn't be in a position where they don't treat their clients with interest. Also GSL is not as rare as MLG so the live experience is a more important aspect that should cost more. If I am watching vods ( vods mind you, nor rebroadcast cause MLG doesn't do that) why should I pay the same as USA that felt the hype in the middle of the day? IPL, GSL, NASTL and MLG are all losing money. MLG is just the only one publicly reaching out to the audience. Thoses are the facts... according to MLG... :S NASL is most definitely losing money. Without doubt. They had enough funding to do three seasons and therefore they're doing them. but if you look at who sponsors them, the quality of their production and the number of people who bought their HD passes / paid to come to the venue they cannot be making money to cover the prize pool, let alone hire venues and pay casters... How many casters did the NASL Season 2 final have? Day9, Wheat, Rotti, Bitter, Husky, orb, gretorp, thegunrun and diggity... 9 casters and 16 players? IPL is also clearly losing money. Hosting a 20k online tournament which is watched (at peak!) by 20k people (for something like EG/Liquid) and around 10k all other times while only making money from chucking ads up... As others have said, total loss leader for IGN MLG has honestly admitted they are losing money and I think they definitely are from their championship events, why on earth they decided to pick up Halo for another year is beyond me, that thing is dead and buried. However from this event I honestly do think they've made money. I would conservatively estimate at least 10,000 people paid. So that's $200k in with expenditures being the $26k prize pool, paying the casters, setting their office up to host the event (not renting a venue!) and finally player transport and accommodation costs. I would also expect they got a bit of extra cash from sponsorships, NOS performance station this, NOS analysis centre that. I do not think GSL is losing money, given the number of people that pay, the size of the prize pool and their relatively low costs along with additional income from being on TV in Korea. Although not mentioned here I am unsure on IEM / Assembly / DreamHack... as all three have a LAN side attached I guess this heavily subsidizes the cost. I think it is important to have a foreign based tournament that is sustainable and the model for MLG Arenas seems exactly that. If they were to lower the price a bit and tighten up loopholes so people have to actually pay to watch then I see a bright future for Arena events, especially if they manage to get a location outside of NY and get spectators in. Come on, just look at NASLs product. If they weren't losing money this world would need to learn economy from the guys running it. And why would I try to resuscitate an almost dying MLG when Dreamhack and IGN have a more interesting business plan to cover more games and at the end bring a way more better product? They are just better. what exactly about those tournys make them a " way better" product and just being "better" in general? You give no real explaination. The only obvious difference is the mlg arenas are PPV. MLG winter arena had excellent production value. Yes, better than DH assembly, etc. Not quite GSL but very good non the less. Honestly, the only thing missing was the crowd. | ||
mikiao
United States161 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:22 LayZRR wrote: restream and workaround. as i dont agree with the opinion of paying for this. It's fine that you don't agree with the PPV model, but you lose all moral high ground by watching it anyway. Not only are you getting something for free which should've been paid for, but you are also depriving other entertainment sources of your patronage. If you don't like the PPV model, fine. So go and show MLG that an ad-supported model can work by going and supporting some free streamers instead of watching MLG. But you didn't. Think of it this way. You want to do some photo editing. You can't afford Photoshop because you're a poor student and Photoshop is expensive. So you pirate it. It's not a lost sale because there's no way you could afford it anyway. No big deal right? This would be a good argument if Photoshop existed in a vacuum. However there are numerous other photo editing suites which could fulfill your needs at much lower price points that you probably could afford. By pirating Photoshop, you are depriving these companies of your patronage (a sale). Similarly with MLG. By not paying, but by spending your time on it, you are depriving other companies of your time, some of which are supported solely by your time (through ad revenue). I'm all for people taking a stance on the PPV model. But don't think by not paying you're doing that. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Basically your stance is 'so long as I can get mine, so be it'. | ||
Boraz
United States361 Posts
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:09 Boraz wrote: I took my computer to my 60" TV and hooked it up to watch 1080p on my 60" TV. Then I proceeded to keep it that way because playing StarCraft 2 on a huge TV is actually really nice. I can only imagine the difficulties, trying to check the mino-map and your resources lol. But for watching SC2 (or other internet streams COUGH porn.) i am jealous. | ||
ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
They should fix this, as it may ruin the experience for those who pay. | ||
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:09 Boraz wrote: I took my computer to my 60" TV and hooked it up to watch 1080p on my 60" TV. Then I proceeded to keep it that way because playing StarCraft 2 on a huge TV is actually really nice. It really is awesome watching 1080p on a huge screen. | ||
Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:08 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 07:22 LayZRR wrote: restream and workaround. as i dont agree with the opinion of paying for this. It's fine that you don't agree with the PPV model, but you lose all moral high ground by watching it anyway. Not only are you getting something for free which should've been paid for, but you are also depriving other entertainment sources of your patronage. If you don't like the PPV model, fine. So go and show MLG that an ad-supported model can work by going and supporting some free streamers instead of watching MLG. But you didn't. Think of it this way. You want to do some photo editing. You can't afford Photoshop because you're a poor student and Photoshop is expensive. So you pirate it. It's not a lost sale because there's no way you could afford it anyway. No big deal right? This would be a good argument if Photoshop existed in a vacuum. However there are numerous other photo editing suites which could fulfill your needs at much lower price points that you probably could afford. By pirating Photoshop, you are depriving these companies of your patronage (a sale). Similarly with MLG. By not paying, but by spending your time on it, you are depriving other companies of your time, some of which are supported solely by your time (through ad revenue). I'm all for people taking a stance on the PPV model. But don't think by not paying you're doing that. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Basically your stance is 'so long as I can get mine, so be it'. Interesting, I have never seen it this way. There are so many stupid analogies here, but this I like. | ||
Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:31 Kharnage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 07:22 LayZRR wrote: restream and workaround. as i dont agree with the opinion of paying for this. I don't agree with the opinion of paying for food. I mean, how fucked up is that! People starve to death! Again terrible analogy as government already does that, they will give you money if you do not have enough for food. | ||
rEiGN~
369 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:08 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Similarly with MLG. By not paying, but by spending your time on it, you are depriving other companies of your time, some of which are supported solely by your time (through ad revenue). I'm all for people taking a stance on the PPV model. But don't think by not paying you're doing that. Weak analogy overall. Asus ROG and MLG hardly overlapped during the weekend, and there was nothing to stop one from consuming both of them, for free. Asus ROG was in no way deprived from my attention because of me watching MLG at night. | ||
Boraz
United States361 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:14 DreamChaser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 08:09 Boraz wrote: I took my computer to my 60" TV and hooked it up to watch 1080p on my 60" TV. Then I proceeded to keep it that way because playing StarCraft 2 on a huge TV is actually really nice. I can only imagine the difficulties, trying to check the mino-map and your resources lol. But for watching SC2 (or other internet streams COUGH porn.) i am jealous. I sit back farther so I can see everything on the screen..minimap and all. | ||
Doso
Germany769 Posts
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iSometric
2221 Posts
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Bullet
United States280 Posts
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:08 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 07:22 LayZRR wrote: restream and workaround. as i dont agree with the opinion of paying for this. It's fine that you don't agree with the PPV model, but you lose all moral high ground by watching it anyway. Not only are you getting something for free which should've been paid for, but you are also depriving other entertainment sources of your patronage. If you don't like the PPV model, fine. So go and show MLG that an ad-supported model can work by going and supporting some free streamers instead of watching MLG. But you didn't. Think of it this way. You want to do some photo editing. You can't afford Photoshop because you're a poor student and Photoshop is expensive. So you pirate it. It's not a lost sale because there's no way you could afford it anyway. No big deal right? This would be a good argument if Photoshop existed in a vacuum. However there are numerous other photo editing suites which could fulfill your needs at much lower price points that you probably could afford. By pirating Photoshop, you are depriving these companies of your patronage (a sale). Similarly with MLG. By not paying, but by spending your time on it, you are depriving other companies of your time, some of which are supported solely by your time (through ad revenue). I'm all for people taking a stance on the PPV model. But don't think by not paying you're doing that. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Basically your stance is 'so long as I can get mine, so be it'. man thats a bad argument | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
just saying. get off your moral high horses. | ||
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