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On February 27 2012 14:24 jmbthirteen wrote:
And having some PPV events means MLG won't grow? No it doesn't.
Those stats are very misleading. All it does is create an unnecessary border to entry as we've seen with all the logistical issues. People will always find a way around it and as I said before it costs a lot of money to secure your lines, which is still pointless because as I said before. People will always find a way around it.
PPV can bring money in to help grow your business but it won't be the direct result of it. Not in this case.
Goes back to what I said about bringing new money in.
Having the Pro Circuit along with the Arena will help MLG. They still need to expand their business.
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I did not watch it.
In my opinion, the quality of the product needs to be proven before asking for the payment.
MLG's stream quality has always been extremely low. Even when they supposedly increased it
to 720p it was still more blurry than any 480p stream I have ever seen from any other event.
The first year I bought an event pass I did it because I live in europe and I wanted to see the
re-stream that they promised us, because I couldn't stay awake for the live event.
For some unknown reason these re-streams never happened.
I contacted MLG about it but got no response at all. Paid $10 for absolutely nothing.
This has been improved since then of course. But it adds to my overall image of MLG.
It's well known that Justin/Twitch has bad peering to many european ISPs, and when there's 50K+ viewers
they always lag, no matter where you're watching.
Additional content between the games have always been a lackluster at MLG events.
They said they would greatly improve it for this tournament, which I hope is true.
But they should have shown that at the last event then, not ask me to trust them.
Basicly there has always been some issues in the past and because of that I don't think any
company should be entitled to ask their customers to just trust them that the product they are
now charging even more forb will be the best thing I've ever seen.
Until you can gaurantee the quality of the product (lag free stream, content, delays, customer support etc. etc) I don't think you should even begin to consider PPV.
And at the very least you should have had one event with a free stream to showcase the new concept to let those of us who have watched every past MLG decide if the product is worth the price.
I don't think PPV is a bad idea. It might very well be the only viable future. But the esports scene is nowhere near ready for it yet.
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Did the cookie/privacy workaround for the 5 minutes my internet was working this weekend. Good thing I didn't pay!
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i didnt watch at all cuz i wasnt home but if i knew about this privacy mode thing i probably would have done this even though its actually a move against e sports..
but being from europe i wouldnt pay 20$ just to stay up until 3a.m. to watch it
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On February 27 2012 23:48 Greenvase wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 23:36 Darksoldierr wrote:
Oh for god sake with this stupid SOPA shit. As a programmer there is nothing more i hate than people who thinks they should get everything for free.
Are you honestly belive you has the right to download movies / games / book anything for free? No, i dont agree with SOPA or ACTA or anything like them so far all of them turned out that goverment(big companies) wants to control the inernet and that isn't acceptable, but the retarded piracy shit need to be stopped, i make living out of my job, luckily im not a gaming programmer, thus noone actually stealing my "result", but how in the sane mind can you think you have the right to download it for free?
If you found a way to watch it free, great. If you didn't watched it, great. If you paid for it, even greater. But if you didn't paid for it, watched it for free and then come to this thread with words like "OMG YOU WOULD SUPPORT SOPA ARENT YOU?" should frickin slapped in the face to wake him/her up if not too late.
MLG needs to make profit to maintain the level of show, if you dont agree with it, dont buy it, thats all. You could have watched another tournament that was going on. Free stuff is great, but stealing isn't. Theres a difference between them, and dont think you are a pirate just becouse you found a way to get something for free when it not ment to be.
And just for the record, no i didn't paid for it, nor i watched it. This SOPA shit people throwing around is more disgusting and retarded than the stupid "OMG THIS HURT ESPORTS" line You seem mad bro.
Stupid people irritate me
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I didn't buy the PPV pass because I had to work all weekend, so at most I would have gotten to watch maybe 2 hours after work on Saturday. Once I heard people were able to watch it for free, I figured I'd try to check it out. I saw a total of part of 1 of naniwa's match.
Would I ever pay $20 for a weekend MLG pass? No, because I would never get to watch the whole thing, so it wouldn't be worth it. $5? Maybe, sure.
I do, however, look forward to watching the VoDs once they're released for free next month.
Oh, and this is from a person who never has and never will pay for access to GOMtv or any other Starcraft league season. Have only ever seen the first match of any GOM VoD =p
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Payed $20 for it, kinda regretting it. Between lag, them still using the extended series format, and the fact that probably more people watched it for free than those who paid, I kinda feel cheated. It's pretty ridiculous to make a paywall and then make it so easy to get around. Would like it if they would give a nice discount to everyone who paid this time because of that, or find a way to punish those who watched for free. I'm honestly surprised that this thread is up and being discussed, I figured TL.net wouldn't condone watching paid content for free like this and would actually warn/ban people who purposely got around the paywall.
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I was considering paying after hearing all the promises that "it'll be worth it", but then I tuned in and watched it for free the first day for several hours on the official stream (without adblock/cookie trick) and continued to watch the whole tournament for free.
It was a good tournament and all, but definetly not worth $20 considering all the free content aviable already. I was really expecting more content (I'm not really allowed to complain though as I didn't pay), and I think most people that paid will feel cheated by MLG. Not only could everyone watch the event for free, but it was also really laggy and sometimes unwatchable. This is just not acceptable for a PPV event.
A tip for MLG would be to just ask for donations instead of hosting PPV events, the same people that payed for this event would probably still donate (as they seem to have the "I pay for this to save esports" mentality) while at the same time getting increased amount of viewers for ad revenue.
TL:DR: Didn't buy it because it wasnt worth $20.
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On February 28 2012 00:08 Noyect wrote:
I did not watch it.
In my opinion, the quality of the product needs to be proven before asking for the payment.
MLG's stream quality has always been extremely low. Even when they supposedly increased it
to 720p it was still more blurry than any 480p stream I have ever seen from any other event.
The first year I bought an event pass I did it because I live in europe and I wanted to see the
re-stream that they promised us, because I couldn't stay awake for the live event.
For some unknown reason these re-streams never happened.
I contacted MLG about it but got no response at all. Paid $10 for absolutely nothing.
This has been improved since then of course. But it adds to my overall image of MLG.
It's well known that Justin/Twitch has bad peering to many european ISPs, and when there's 50K+ viewers
they always lag, no matter where you're watching.
Additional content between the games have always been a lackluster at MLG events.
They said they would greatly improve it for this tournament, which I hope is true.
But they should have shown that at the last event then, not ask me to trust them.
Basicly there has always been some issues in the past and because of that I don't think any
company should be entitled to ask their customers to just trust them that the product they are
now charging even more forb will be the best thing I've ever seen.
Until you can gaurantee the quality of the product (lag free stream, content, delays, customer support etc. etc) I don't think you should even begin to consider PPV.
And at the very least you should have had one event with a free stream to showcase the new concept to let those of us who have watched every past MLG decide if the product is worth the price.
I don't think PPV is a bad idea. It might very well be the only viable future. But the esports scene is nowhere near ready for it yet.
At least one other person understands, hallelujah!
This is what this thread should be discussing, it's the most important thing we need to work out. Talking about whether people are pirates or not solves nothing (like I tried to point out 20 pages ago).
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I definitely feel cheated. The quality was terrible and I have lost all the trust I had put in MLG over the past year. It used to have a TERRIBLE reputation, and it has been doing well for awhile after adopting SC2, and slowly gained some credibility back, and now Moonriver Starsky or whatever his name is gets greedy and decides to try to cut costs, lower product quality, AND increase profit by charging more for an inferior product. What a complete joke. Honest worst $20 I have ever spent.
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On February 28 2012 00:17 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 23:48 Greenvase wrote:On February 27 2012 23:36 Darksoldierr wrote:
Oh for god sake with this stupid SOPA shit. As a programmer there is nothing more i hate than people who thinks they should get everything for free.
Are you honestly belive you has the right to download movies / games / book anything for free? No, i dont agree with SOPA or ACTA or anything like them so far all of them turned out that goverment(big companies) wants to control the inernet and that isn't acceptable, but the retarded piracy shit need to be stopped, i make living out of my job, luckily im not a gaming programmer, thus noone actually stealing my "result", but how in the sane mind can you think you have the right to download it for free?
If you found a way to watch it free, great. If you didn't watched it, great. If you paid for it, even greater. But if you didn't paid for it, watched it for free and then come to this thread with words like "OMG YOU WOULD SUPPORT SOPA ARENT YOU?" should frickin slapped in the face to wake him/her up if not too late.
MLG needs to make profit to maintain the level of show, if you dont agree with it, dont buy it, thats all. You could have watched another tournament that was going on. Free stuff is great, but stealing isn't. Theres a difference between them, and dont think you are a pirate just becouse you found a way to get something for free when it not ment to be.
And just for the record, no i didn't paid for it, nor i watched it. This SOPA shit people throwing around is more disgusting and retarded than the stupid "OMG THIS HURT ESPORTS" line You seem mad bro. Stupid people irritate me
This kind or argumentation only means one thing. You lack some thinking about the subject...
Maybe in your next life.
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On February 28 2012 00:08 Noyect wrote:
I did not watch it.
In my opinion, the quality of the product needs to be proven before asking for the payment.
MLG's stream quality has always been extremely low. Even when they supposedly increased it
to 720p it was still more blurry than any 480p stream I have ever seen from any other event.
The first year I bought an event pass I did it because I live in europe and I wanted to see the
re-stream that they promised us, because I couldn't stay awake for the live event.
For some unknown reason these re-streams never happened.
I contacted MLG about it but got no response at all. Paid $10 for absolutely nothing.
This has been improved since then of course. But it adds to my overall image of MLG.
It's well known that Justin/Twitch has bad peering to many european ISPs, and when there's 50K+ viewers
they always lag, no matter where you're watching.
Additional content between the games have always been a lackluster at MLG events.
They said they would greatly improve it for this tournament, which I hope is true.
But they should have shown that at the last event then, not ask me to trust them.
Basicly there has always been some issues in the past and because of that I don't think any
company should be entitled to ask their customers to just trust them that the product they are
now charging even more forb will be the best thing I've ever seen.
Until you can gaurantee the quality of the product (lag free stream, content, delays, customer support etc. etc) I don't think you should even begin to consider PPV.
And at the very least you should have had one event with a free stream to showcase the new concept to let those of us who have watched every past MLG decide if the product is worth the price.
I don't think PPV is a bad idea. It might very well be the only viable future. But the esports scene is nowhere near ready for it yet.
Wise words indeed.
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I also saw without paying but i wasnt stealing , its not like going to a store and putting things in my pockets .. I connected to MLG live at the time of the event start and i was super happy and confused that i could see the games and all streams , i didnt pay because i wasnt going to pay in the first place , but i was amazed that i could see so i watched the best games .
If the next time i cant watch i will look for a re-stream , thats how i watch European Champions Cups , UFC , NBA . I really cant afford to pay for everything i watch , then whats left for the rest ? I pay car insurance , gas , food , electricity , internet , cable and i even smoke =(
Everyone want to get paid , and everyone wants a lot these days , if we paid for everything we see on TV , would we see it?
How many people would have watched "lost" " CSI" if it was PPV ? or Sports ?
If i can support them , i will and there are still more good people on earth than bad right?
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On February 27 2012 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:48 DoomBacon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. About 30% of the crowd at the barcraft I went to was female. Yep they couldn't STAND being around NERDs and watching NERD games being played by NERDs. I don't know what kind of community you live in but it's not uncommon for women so be gamers... Where is it common for women to be gamers? Because it's damn sure not here on TL.net. Nor is it anywhere I've been. Went to high school in a place predominately white/wealthy, and now go to college in one of the most Asian universities out there (UCI). Neither has any substantial gaming population. Neither has girls significantly into gaming, from what I've seen at the clubs/facebook groups/barcrafts/MLG Anaheim attended. Would anyone here actually bring up Starcraft if hitting on a woman at a bar, or bring it up on a first date? Guys will generally brag about being on the men's swimming team, but I've never once in my life heard of a guy bragging to a girl he just met about being super good at Starcraft. An exception might be a progamer. But if you're just "really good" aka high masters/GM status but nothing more, please, even I'd personally laugh at a guy doing that. Well, that's the kind of community I live in. Not sure where the hell you are. Your seemingly random capitalization of the word "nerds" is also retarded. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:48 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. Did you ever stop to think that you surround yourselves with or trying to appeal to shallow women? I know a bunch of girls that has shown interest in gaming and sc2 has done a better job than most of bringing that to light. The reason why women don't watch UFC is because it caters to the baser instincts of men only. The reason why not many women like gaming is because they labeled it as nerdy. There is nothing in the content itself that dissuades women from watching. Unless you mean to argue that competition itself is unattractive to women? Women generally are shallow yes. Pity is, I am too to an extent. Who doesn't want a pretty woman? Of course, looks aren't everything. But they're something. At local gaming communities, generally only the really trollish ones actually show up and play T_T. And even then, it's an absolute minimal amount. And no, my standards aren't super high by any means....  . Regardless, besides saying that in general, competition DOES seem less attractive to women than men, we've had years upon years to witness that women are not into video games NOR generally that interested in Sci Fi/Fantasy, at least when compared to their male counterparts. If by some means we were going to introduce gaming to women, it sure as hell shouldn't be through a super complex, intricate game like SC2 that involves tons of different units, tons of different maps, and a game based on friggin' war and killing the other side. If you could ask me, you'd have to introduce girls to gaming through games like Zelda or Oblivion, but what do I know, by ex gf only played The Sims... sparingly.
No. Women aren't "generally shallow". You and the women you surround yourself with may be. But you're making incredibly stupid fratboyish generalisations about something you have no perspective of. Have you ever been to or watched any type of coverage of a comic con or something similar? Are you seriously going to tell me that there are no women there? Or do you not consider them real women because they don't meet your standards of what a woman should be?
I truly pity you for your view on women. It sounds like you think every member of the opposing sex is a pair of tits on a stick with a mushy brain and princess complex.
You don't even attempt to adress the point either. The point is that the reason women are underrepresented in gaming is that it gets a bad rep. When that slowly dissipates there WILL be more women coming into the scene. They probably wont be posting on or reading TL though because of people like you who file them into some kind of category of ditzy girls that only care for shapping and make up.
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watched a restream because i didnt wanna pay (another) 20$.
Last year they said hey, buy MLG Gold and you'll get EVERYTHING OMG SO GREAT
i did, it was OMGGREAT (4 streams at a time, best coverage so far!)
and for the first event in 2012 i already have to pay again. simply pisses me off. if they did something like for gold members its only 10 bucks or less (because you know - we paid already for a full year of mlg "everything"...) i maybe would've considered paying, but not like that.
i read somewhere that there are 3 more arenas to come, so its 30 (for gold) + 4x20 (for every arena) a year and not (as it was described last year) 30 for everything.
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On February 28 2012 00:37 tapk69 wrote:
I also saw without paying but i wasnt stealing , its not like going to a store and putting things in my pockets .. I connected to MLG live at the time of the event start and i was super happy and confused that i could see the games and all streams , i didnt pay because i wasnt going to pay in the first place , but i was amazed that i could see so i watched the best games .
If the next time i cant watch i will look for a re-stream , thats how i watch European Champions Cups , UFC , NBA . I really cant afford to pay for everything i watch , then whats left for the rest ? I pay car insurance , gas , food , electricity , internet , cable and i even smoke =(
Everyone want to get paid , and everyone wants a lot these days , if we paid for everything we see on TV , would we see it?
How many people would have watched "lost" " CSI" if it was PPV ? or Sports ?
If i can support them , i will and there are still more good people on earth than bad right?
But you are still using up their bandwidth without paying, so in a way you ARE stealing, and no sorry you aren't entitled to get everything for free. If you aren't going to pay to watch something, at least have the dignity and self respect to not go and watch it for free.
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I miss the ' i could watch for free on Majorleaguegaming.com/live without any workarounds ' option.
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I didn't pay and didn't watch. I feel that the format gives inferior matches to tournaments like the GSL. I saw some matches from the previous MLG. I have bought GSL and GSTL for 2012 and basically all the other Gomtv tournaments.
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On February 28 2012 00:38 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 00:37 tapk69 wrote:
I also saw without paying but i wasnt stealing , its not like going to a store and putting things in my pockets .. I connected to MLG live at the time of the event start and i was super happy and confused that i could see the games and all streams , i didnt pay because i wasnt going to pay in the first place , but i was amazed that i could see so i watched the best games .
If the next time i cant watch i will look for a re-stream , thats how i watch European Champions Cups , UFC , NBA . I really cant afford to pay for everything i watch , then whats left for the rest ? I pay car insurance , gas , food , electricity , internet , cable and i even smoke =(
Everyone want to get paid , and everyone wants a lot these days , if we paid for everything we see on TV , would we see it?
How many people would have watched "lost" " CSI" if it was PPV ? or Sports ?
If i can support them , i will and there are still more good people on earth than bad right? But you are still using up their bandwidth without paying, so in a way you ARE stealing, and no sorry you aren't entitled to get everything for free. If you aren't going to pay to watch something, at least have the dignity and self respect to not go and watch it for free.
Their goal is to make money. To do so, they have to PLEASE US so that we watch their content.
Some of us don't want to pay, so we don't pay even if we watch it.
The model which is publicity based like TV, or PPV, is their problem. I won't pay $20 if I don't want to and I've got no shame doing so.
If they had a tipjar, I would have been more that happy to put $2 every time I see something that pleased me: an interview, a good match, etc. And remove $5 every time the stream lag at an important time. In this model (which you agree with or not) they may have more money than their PPV in the end(maybe not), but it has the merit to force them to have a good product. For them it seems to be toying with a fancy webpage, instead of actually seeing the action flawlessly.
What matter in this end is they HAVE TO please us. Stop saying none sense about stealing or anything. You steal something if you forbid the original owner of disposing of its own property as he pleases. It's not the case with restream or whatever. So please, start to use you brain efficiently instead of repeating what the big guys told you to say in the name of esport.
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On February 28 2012 00:32 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 00:17 Darksoldierr wrote:On February 27 2012 23:48 Greenvase wrote:On February 27 2012 23:36 Darksoldierr wrote:
Oh for god sake with this stupid SOPA shit. As a programmer there is nothing more i hate than people who thinks they should get everything for free.
Are you honestly belive you has the right to download movies / games / book anything for free? No, i dont agree with SOPA or ACTA or anything like them so far all of them turned out that goverment(big companies) wants to control the inernet and that isn't acceptable, but the retarded piracy shit need to be stopped, i make living out of my job, luckily im not a gaming programmer, thus noone actually stealing my "result", but how in the sane mind can you think you have the right to download it for free?
If you found a way to watch it free, great. If you didn't watched it, great. If you paid for it, even greater. But if you didn't paid for it, watched it for free and then come to this thread with words like "OMG YOU WOULD SUPPORT SOPA ARENT YOU?" should frickin slapped in the face to wake him/her up if not too late.
MLG needs to make profit to maintain the level of show, if you dont agree with it, dont buy it, thats all. You could have watched another tournament that was going on. Free stuff is great, but stealing isn't. Theres a difference between them, and dont think you are a pirate just becouse you found a way to get something for free when it not ment to be.
And just for the record, no i didn't paid for it, nor i watched it. This SOPA shit people throwing around is more disgusting and retarded than the stupid "OMG THIS HURT ESPORTS" line You seem mad bro. Stupid people irritate me This kind or argumentation only means one thing. You lack some thinking about the subject... Maybe in your next life.
If you think that stealing is an achievment of a lifetime, then i has nothing more to say
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