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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
February 19 2012 16:49 GMT
#161
Is this poll serious? I hate viewing with health bars turned on, it makes everything look so ugly and cluttered. I didn't expect this result at all, in stream chat too you always hear people complain about health bars being on.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 17:03:59
February 19 2012 16:53 GMT
#162
I actually resent all the options to trade visuals for competitive advantage in SC2, and in modern games in general. In certain sports if there weren't rules for face protecting helmets the majority of players would go without them, trading their own safety for better visibility. That doesn't mean they don't value their safety though, just that they feel obligated to prioritize competitiveness.

The analogy might seem ridiculous since nobody's safety is at stake by having healthbars set to on, but that isn't the point. Healthbars on is also a sacrifice, trading visual clarity for more information. And maybe it's because I still watch Brood War, but despite information having a probable competitive advantage and feeling obligated to set healthbars to on when I play, I still value clarity higher subjectively. Especially when watching. Giant churning blobs of healthbars battling healthbars is just completely off-putting to me. The information is still conveyed visually as well, just sometimes it has to be inferred after a unit dies. As a player this is bad but as a spectator it's fine. Nothing in the game functions differently depending on its health. There are no luck-based damage ranges like in Warcraft 3. As long as there's an observer to show you where each army is before a battle starts it's all there for you to see.

Visual clarity is forfeited by the way. Nestea uses select only healthbars and I assure you it's not because he's a casual. Attempts to frame this argument as casuals vs. non-casuals are disingenuous.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
February 19 2012 16:56 GMT
#163
i don't need to see the healthbar of 100 zerglings running into some tankfire.
i prefer selected only...
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
February 19 2012 16:57 GMT
#164
If the observer is good (any major tournament should have a good observer) then the settings should be set to "select only". However if I have to choose between A or B, I'd rather have HP bars ON. I watch a lot (and cast a few) smaller EU daily type tournaments and I'm pretty use to seeing HP always on.

phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
February 19 2012 17:00 GMT
#165
I would like to see it so that Selected units have healthbars on. I think it adds to the game to be able to see, for example a muta cluster's health, but when we're talking mobs of Marine Tank vs. ling bane, everything but the tanks just turns into a mob of health bars, and they die suddenly rather then going slowly down in health (either the banes hit and kill marines, or the tanks hit and kill the banes.) In that scenario, it would be nice to see the tanks; it would be nice to see repaired thors, etc.

I guess I mean that health bars are a good thing, but there's a point where they become too much.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 17:03:16
February 19 2012 17:00 GMT
#166
Like almost everyone else: ON unless the obs is really, really good. Watching any non-GOM stream drives me insane when it's not set to ON, because it's really hard with most observers to tell if there's any clutch zergling/zealot micro, who is winning the fight, and when that MMM ball is overstimmed.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Elios
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil277 Posts
February 19 2012 17:01 GMT
#167
On ofc... Many times there are "close" battles that depends on micro ... and u just look... and see nothing... cause u cant see whos dying and whos winning especially in pvp ...
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
February 19 2012 17:02 GMT
#168
It should be selectable. There are times where they are just kind of silly, and times where they are crucial.
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
February 19 2012 17:11 GMT
#169
There should be an option in this poll for only during battles, which is the only reason I choose to have them off.
Mr.X
Profile Joined July 2010
Spain115 Posts
February 19 2012 17:12 GMT
#170
I do not understand how can be winning "Always ON". For the viewer is a residue that 99% of the time you don't need. If you ever need to see them, you press Alt and there is no problem.

It's like saying that in a football game I want to see the stats for shots, fouls, corners, yellow cards, the changes have been made, and the current standings in the league ... its stupid, honestly I hate the fact that in many tournaments the "Always ON" is a MUST because of the viewers. First because Blizzard has failed to implement in an elegant bars, second because 99% of the time are NOT necessary and third because most part of the screen are these fucking 100% green or yellow bars moving.

Personally I like playing with the bars always active, but I know the difference when I am SPECTATOR and when I am PLAYER.
NietzscheanKant
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland92 Posts
February 19 2012 17:14 GMT
#171
ST Legend (ie manually selected) > automatically on >>> always off
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." - Socrates
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 19 2012 17:27 GMT
#172
i dont like healthbars on during huge battles

but aside from big engagements i like them on
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
February 19 2012 17:30 GMT
#173
On February 20 2012 02:27 Forikorder wrote:
i dont like healthbars on during huge battles

but aside from big engagements i like them on


That's the thing. In smaller engagements, it's REALLY helpful to have them. However, when you got 100 zerglings and 50 banelings being dropped from 15 overlords along with a bunch of mutas fighting dozens of marines and tanks and shit, there is already so much going on that having all those healthbars only makes it more difficult to decipher what the fuck is happening.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 17:36:34
February 19 2012 17:35 GMT
#174
On February 20 2012 01:56 Derity wrote:
i don't need to see the healthbar of 100 zerglings running into some tankfire.
i prefer selected only...


Very well put!

I think healthbars are best turned off in broadcasted games. I mean, when you have a huge engagement the healthbars just jobble up everything and create a mess. Now don't get me wrong, I think they should often be toggled to see the healthbars of a small number of units in the early/mid-game because the small fights are very much easy to track via HP.

But like I said, late-game with diminishing stream quality and bunched up units, the engagements are usually over so fast the HP bars don't really matter.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 19 2012 17:38 GMT
#175
Always on of course, also ok if the casters show them during battles, but still better to just have them on all the time.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
February 19 2012 17:42 GMT
#176
On February 20 2012 01:49 Grumbels wrote:
Is this poll serious? I hate viewing with health bars turned on, it makes everything look so ugly and cluttered. I didn't expect this result at all, in stream chat too you always hear people complain about health bars being on.


Same here. Health bars on turn me off.
Mr.X
Profile Joined July 2010
Spain115 Posts
February 19 2012 17:44 GMT
#177
On February 20 2012 02:38 HaXXspetten wrote:
Always on of course, also ok if the casters show them during battles, but still better to just have them on all the time.


Arguments? Reasoning?
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
February 19 2012 17:45 GMT
#178
if you want ppl that never played to start watching sc2. bars always off.
Mr.X
Profile Joined July 2010
Spain115 Posts
February 19 2012 17:49 GMT
#179
OP is awesome. According to him any match / tournament should be broadcast in ultra-low graphics. Who cares! I just want to see who wins!
nvrs
Profile Joined October 2010
Greece481 Posts
February 19 2012 17:51 GMT
#180
Personally, healthbars on selected is on some occasions better even when playing for me, there a few pros that play like that also (ForGG comes to mind).
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