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On February 14 2012 14:13 Balgrog wrote:
What people aren't realizing is the fact that MLG is putting the most money into this tournament than ANY tournament has before. Great prize pool, flying out and giving hotel rooms to ALL the players coming, no crowd so can't charge for ticket's and what not. This is a big blow, they normally get thousands out there, they have their online gold memberships and what not, now they don't. I will pay the $20 to watch this, and people had better get used to this, it's the future.
To make it worth it though, we need FUCK TONS of content, I mean imagine if Dream Hack, IPL, and GOMTV all had this crazy orgy and a baby is created with all of their DNA embedded. They stream needs to be flawless. They don't have a crowd to show during breaks, no more war eagle, none of that. We want to see player interviews, over the shoulder cam of other players practicing, pre-made segments, just stuff to watch, we need to be entertained. If us as viewers shell out the $20, you as MLG need perfect stream quality, and shit tons of content.
but why is mlg putting all that money into this tournament? is it really necessary?
maybe there is a big audience who really wants the 5 HD streams. but then why can't they offer a free sd version for the others? then they would be getting revenue from all of the people like yourself who are really pumped about the high production value.
The only explanation is that they know that everyone will just opt for the free stream given the choice. So then, why are they making a product that costs more than what most people are willing to pay? Either they think the publicity of having the most expensive tournament will boost their long-term profitability or their marketing research team has not done a good job (just look at the poll on page 1 if you don't believe me).
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So as a gold member of MLG on a yearly pass purchased before Providence, I don't get access to this?
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On February 14 2012 14:12 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:10 Himarm wrote:
MLG is defenitly getting my money they are includeding some of the Top Players in the world Just as the Gsl hands down has far superior games then any other tournament in the world This Mlg will be pulling a close 2nd in best games. Practicly all of the top koreans and all the foriengers who regularly attent gsl will all be participating in this Mlg while assembly is just "foriegners" and some lower caliber GSL koreans to clean up the tournament. Take it easy there first post. Far superior games than anyone in the world? Does MLG have a shill budget for this year too?
He said far superior games referring to the GSL. And that MLG was second in terms of game quality. Hard to argue with that.
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Imagine the shitstorm if a player would throw meaningless games :D
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On February 14 2012 14:07 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:02 LoLAdriankat wrote:
$20 is nothing. We have more than a week to save up, even a teenager would be able to pay for it. In my case, all I have to do is not eat out for two days and just make something at home to pay for this... Wrong... all you have to do is skip the next MLG, then you won't have to pay to watch SC2 ever again. If we crush this uprising convincingly enough, no one should ever dare try this BS again! My fear is that people will pay for this to "support esports" and then MLG will have started the new trend in SC2. Do you want free SC2 tournament viewing to go away? Reward MLG at your peril, they are trying to change the SC2 landscape to compensate for their lack of financial success.
Well if it becomes a sustainable business model (ie enough people are willing to pay) then that's cool. Maybe there are people who are willing to pay for a better product, it's not your place to tell them not to pay so you can have it for free too if they're willing to pay for better quality.
Personally I think this will fail but let's see.
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On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates.
That's not our job to make the sale and grow base, that's their job (if they wanna make money). For example Dana White took a bankrupt, niche, bloodsport and turned it into a billion dollar capitalization.
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On February 14 2012 14:21 Bowzer wrote:
So as a gold member of MLG on a yearly pass purchased before Providence, I don't get access to this?
Why do people keep thinking they're entitled to this? You know what you paid for, so now that something new is popping up, how can you expect to get access to it too? That makes absolutely no sense.
That's like buying World of Warcraft, then Blizzard releases an expansion and complaining that you don't get the expansion for free. Of course you don't get it for free - you paid for World of Warcraft. Don't blame MLG because you can't read or understand.
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On February 14 2012 13:25 puzzl wrote:
Also, maybe they shouldn't be paying Tasteless and Artosis $50,000 each like they did for Providence if costs are so much of an issue.
Honestly- Artosis would be willing to do it for free- just provide him travel arrangements and he's a happy camper. He is one person in the whole scene who has true passion for Starcraft. EVERYONE should look up artosis's story on how he survived in Korea for the first couple years.
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GL HF MLG, getting VODs one week later is cool to me, since I'm attending Assembly at that weekend. 
While I don't agree with this business model, I guess worth trying out and see if Assembly takes all viewers.
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On February 14 2012 14:23 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates. That's not our job to make the sale and grow base, that's their job (if they wanna make money). For example Dana White took a bankrupt, niche, bloodsport and turned it into a billion dollar capitalization.
broadcasting on PPV...
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All in all, 20$ may not be a whole lot of money for what goes in to creating this content. But compared to what I pay netflix to watch all the movies and tv i want, or as someone else said, the 15$ monthly for GSL's entire month-long season, and other similar businesses offering similar types of online content for the viewers... this is just a bit too much for me. 20$ to watch one weekend event is a ton, especially compared to the other activities and services that I frequent and pay for, as previously mentioned, as well as many other types of services.
To me, the price is just too extreme. As I said, 20 bucks is not a particularly large amount of money, but considering what is offered in exchange, it feels like way too much to charge people. Maybe other people feel differently, but I will not be able to pay that much for such a short event and such a comparatively small amount of content.
Sorry MLG, it's too pricey for me.
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On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates.
lol i don't think most of the people in SC2 really care about "eSports"
As for me and my closest friends, we all have slightly more important things to worry about; SC2 does not rule our lives, and a three-day MLG event does not merit $20, especially since SC2 does not rank very highly on our list of priorities.
If MLG really wanted to promote "eSports" then they would run a test trial of this first on the Gold passes and see what the interest level is for high-quality streams etc. etc. etc.
Free MLG live streams were a big reason why people originally started paying attention to SC2 and the video gaming industry. You can't expect to promote "eSports" by making your product cost $20. No matter how 'high-quality' the streaming is, any casual watcher will be turned off.
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On February 14 2012 14:23 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates. That's not our job to make the sale and grow base, that's their job (if they wanna make money). For example Dana White took a bankrupt, niche, bloodsport and turned it into a billion dollar capitalization.
It is at this time I would direct you to check how much UFC PPV fights are compared to how much they used to be.
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Perhaps for $5, or if I got 2 or 3 other competitions as well. However, just for the Winter Arena, there's no way I'd pay
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On February 14 2012 14:24 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:21 Bowzer wrote:
So as a gold member of MLG on a yearly pass purchased before Providence, I don't get access to this? Why do people keep thinking they're entitled to this? You know what you paid for, so now that something new is popping up, how can you expect to get access to it too? That makes absolutely no sense. That's like buying World of Warcraft, then Blizzard releases an expansion and complaining that you don't get the expansion for free. Of course you don't get it for free - you paid for World of Warcraft. Don't blame MLG because you can't read or understand.
oh wow you hit the nail on the head
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On February 14 2012 14:25 mrRoflpwn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 13:25 puzzl wrote:
Also, maybe they shouldn't be paying Tasteless and Artosis $50,000 each like they did for Providence if costs are so much of an issue. Honestly- Artosis would be willing to do it for free- just provide him travel arrangements and he's a happy camper. He is one person in the whole scene who has true passion for Starcraft. EVERYONE should look up artosis's story on how he survived in Korea for the first couple years.
Yeah, and the players would play without prize money too...
It's too much money for one event imo.
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On February 14 2012 14:28 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:23 tdt wrote:On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates. That's not our job to make the sale and grow base, that's their job (if they wanna make money). For example Dana White took a bankrupt, niche, bloodsport and turned it into a billion dollar capitalization. It is at this time I would direct you to check how much UFC PPV fights are compared to how much they used to be.
Aaaaand you prove our point... since UFC started cheap then got more expensive as the show got better. MLG wants to skip the starting part ang trying to basically fast expand to the gold base 
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On February 14 2012 14:28 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:23 tdt wrote:On February 14 2012 14:12 Ownos wrote:
So much for the "love" of eSports when the community whines about $20 three day event where casual fans of boxing will shovel $50 for an evening event. But of course GSL received the same whining and they're doing fine without the penniless kids and cheapskates. That's not our job to make the sale and grow base, that's their job (if they wanna make money). For example Dana White took a bankrupt, niche, bloodsport and turned it into a billion dollar capitalization. broadcasting on PPV...
He did a lot more than just that.
Fuck.
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ouch, 20 bucks is a little steep. Man 20 bucks would buy me 3 weeks worth of food over here. Guess I wont be watching this event.
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On February 14 2012 14:13 Balgrog wrote:
What people aren't realizing is the fact that MLG is putting the most money into this tournament than ANY tournament has before. Great prize pool, flying out and giving hotel rooms to ALL the players coming, no crowd so can't charge for ticket's and what not. This is a big blow, they normally get thousands out there, they have their online gold memberships and what not, now they don't. I will pay the $20 to watch this, and people had better get used to this, it's the future.
To make it worth it though, we need FUCK TONS of content, I mean imagine if Dream Hack, IPL, and GOMTV all had this crazy orgy and a baby is created with all of their DNA embedded. They stream needs to be flawless. They don't have a crowd to show during breaks, no more war eagle, none of that. We want to see player interviews, over the shoulder cam of other players practicing, pre-made segments, just stuff to watch, we need to be entertained. If us as viewers shell out the $20, you as MLG need perfect stream quality, and shit tons of content.
Why don't they have a live audience? That was a definite plus compared to GSL even watching at home. Even the Koreans commented how great the fans were and was sorta lacking back home. Not to mention the monitization of that audience they are missing out on.
Good ideas there. But three day for $20 is a huge hurdle I wish them luck in jumping.
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