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Psyqo
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mordk
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Gentso
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Gorlin
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Nevertheless, on the whole, it's probably the only chance the foreign SC2 scene has to sustain itself. Not really sure it will really work out, and it's also probably a sign that huge growth is not to be expected, which is frankly perfectly reasonnable. Looking forward to seeing how this will turn out. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:26 Thrie wrote: I'll try it out this once just to see what the production is like. If it is high enough, I'll probably buy again. At anyrate, this promises to be an interesting experiment with eSports business models. GG GL MLG Well said sir. MGL has delivered before and they have earned $20 from us. | ||
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Sackings
Canada457 Posts
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:23 Jibba wrote: Youtube lost billions of dollars for years and has only relatively recently begun to make money for Google. Most football, basketball and baseball teams are losing money, which is why they have revenue sharing from the giants. Television is dying with advertising, media is dying with advertising. And the actual truth is that SC2 is dying with advertising. People have been fed a vision of mainstream ESPORTS for too long, and they don't realize people are just taking loss leaders on a hope that's never going to happen. Even the giants in BW have been falling for years. It's a bubble and a niche, and there will never be a viewership that can sustain an advertising based/free system. Never. Alot of what you said isn't true. Youtube isn't losing money because of its ad based model, but rather its poor business management and plan. The fact that they're starting to make money is a contradiction to your claim TV and Media isn't dying because of advertisement. Its the decline of viewership that is killing them, ever heard of internet? Also I don't think you understand what "bubble" means. Are you trying to claim that 10+ years of BW competitive gaming is just a "bubble"? BW is still extremely popular, it just can't stand up to time like every other video games and has decline from its peak. I guess google must just be a bubble too then | ||
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
Our scene is no where near that form. We have so many alternatives and albeit MLG is a huge event I greatly look forward to, its not worth it for someone who makes 8bucks an hour to pay 3hrs worth of their hard work. Have you completely forgotten what your majority fanbase is? They're kids like me who are still working small jobs and paying to go to school. Who just cant afford it. As I was reading it from the start when I saw you were gonna be making it a PPV I said to myself "Well it better only be $5 or else this is a huge fail and a huge greedy move." Then I saw the 20 and it was "Nope, no way. Never" This is a sad day in esports. If this was a year from now and the scene had continued to exponentially grow as it did from 2010 to 2011. Then MAYBE this would work. But its not. And you need to hurry up and change this now. Make different packs. Free for 240p... 5 dollars for 480p. 10 for 720p and 20 for HD. And VOD's should all be included, if you payed to watch it during stream you should be able to watch it forever. | ||
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Special Tektics
Ukraine84 Posts
If they have to choose between asking for sponsorship from companies and milking audience to sustain their business, and they chose the latter, then I am sad to say they don't have the audience interest in their hearts, and they are killing ESPORTS. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:23 Jibba wrote: Youtube lost billions of dollars for years and has only relatively recently begun to make money for Google. Most football, basketball and baseball teams are losing money, which is why they have revenue sharing from the giants. Television is dying with advertising, media is dying with advertising. And the actual truth is that SC2 is dying with advertising. People have been fed a vision of mainstream ESPORTS for too long, and they don't realize people are just taking loss leaders on a hope that's never going to happen. Even the giants in BW have been falling for years. It's a bubble and a niche, and there will never be a viewership that can sustain an advertising based/free system. Never. The entire system is currently reliant on investors, and you can't keep that up. What about Shoutcraft? TB, on his own, has built a profitable tournament that benefits the players and community. Even if you don't go with pure ads, and have an upsell model where they pay for HQ stream.... plenty of tournaments, including the GSL, have shown that model to work. Certainly you can't claim that the only model going forward for esports is pure PPV? Even Assembly and IEM have much better business models than MLG, because they share the biggest costs (ie: the location) with other events. Why does MLG need a dedicated venue when they aren't even going to have attendees? They are literally paying to have individuals come to a location to play an online game for no one to see live in person. I don't buy it.... Youtube didn't make money for a long long time because Google nurtured it and didn't try and monetize it ASAP. For years they didn't pre-roll ads or even have banners at the bottom of the videos so as to maximize the user experience.. MLG is doing the opposite with SC2, they are trying to milk it too soon at the cost of the viewing experience. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8516 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:23 Jibba wrote: Youtube lost billions of dollars for years and has only relatively recently begun to make money for Google. Most football, basketball and baseball teams are losing money, which is why they have revenue sharing from the giants. Television is dying with advertising, media is dying with advertising. And the actual truth is that SC2 is dying with advertising. People have been fed a vision of mainstream ESPORTS for too long, and they don't realize people are just taking loss leaders on a hope that's never going to happen. Even the giants in BW have been falling for years. It's a bubble and a niche, and there will never be a viewership that can sustain an advertising based/free system. Never. The entire system is currently reliant on investors, and you can't keep that up. Hm thanks for the insight, yes I knew about the media situation, but that big football/basketball is not doing well with ads is in fact news to me(on the other hand here in europe those sports are far from popular). That indeed gives a different perspective on the situation that the status quo is unsustainable on the long run(given the fact that we can trust you  ). | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:07 casualman wrote: They don't. That's exactly why they're doing this--because living off advertisement revenue isn't enough to sustain MLG or isn't enough to propel them to the vision of the business that they have. Gonna go off on a SWAG here, but I'm assuming they're doing this because they ran into some problems. After they fucked over gold members(me included), a lot of us asked for refunds. At this point, they had already planned on flying out the 32 people, casters, etc - all expenses paid. They know they lost a lot of revenue from the members asking for refunds, their free stream can't generate enough revenue to cover the expenses, prize pool, etc, so they resort to a PPV show. I think they're gonna regret this. | ||
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:26 Psyqo wrote: This kind of pisses me off, as I bought Gold last summer with the intention of viewing an MLG every 2 months or so. And now Gold is only for what, 4 Champ events a year? Seems disingenuous on their part.. feel like the rug was pulled out underneath me. Ya, glad I didn't buy Gold membership. >.> What these memberships actually get you seem to be getting less and less. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:31 iky43210 wrote: Youtube lost money because streaming videos is extremely expensive. Even after they began running ads, they were losing money. It's incomparable to Facebook and Google because they don't do that. The streaming services are reliant on their investors right now.Alot of what you said isn't true. Youtube isn't losing money because of its ad based model, but rather its poor business management and plan. TV and Media isn't dying because of advertisement. Its the decline of viewership that is killing them, ever heard of internet? Also I don't think you understand what "bubble" means. Are you trying to claim that 10+ years of BW competitive gaming is just a "bubble"? I guess google must just be a bubble too then The viewership model IS the advertising model. SC2 has yet to break 100,000 unique viewers, and somehow an advertising/viewership model is sustainable here? Yes, it is a bubble. MBC is dead and the OSL/PL have been losing viewership for 5 years now. | ||
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