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Senko_
8 Posts
If they'd do like GOMtv (free to watch live, pay to watch more than just the first set in VODs) then I think they wouldn't lose too many viewers but... I think they're putting a bullet in their own foot with this. Once you start "monetizing" esports, it's only going to have a downhill effect. | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
I didn't know if i was going to watch MLG or Assembly but now the choice is really easy. Not sure about about how i feel about MLG right now but i think this is going to fail pretty hardcore because the competition is way too good. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:35 Jibba wrote: Youtube lost money because streaming videos is extremely expensive. It's incomparable to Facebook and Google because they don't do that. The streaming services are reliant on their investors right now. The viewership model IS the advertising model. SC2 has yet to break 100,000 unique viewers, and somehow an advertising/viewership model is sustainable here? Yes, it is a bubble. MBC is dead and the OSL/PL have been losing viewership for 5 years now. You can't have 10 years of bubble, that is just a plain silly claim. MBC is dead not because of "bubble" popped, but the gamers and viewers have moved on. Just like how TV is dying not because ad-model advertising doesn't work, but there are now less viewers due to shift in how people spend their time entertaining themselves. Secondly, sc2 have broken 100k unique CONCURRENT viewers multiple times already, I'm surprised you don't know about it. Particularly MLG and GSL, and perhaps there are some more that I have missed. If you're talking about unique viewers purely, MOST tournaments would have easily surpassed it Lastly youtube losing money IS because of poor business management. If viewership model is not sustainable, would you like to clarify WHY youtube is profitting now? Because they have finally capitalize and changed their ad model, starts to show preload ads and banner instead of nothing etc | ||
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MinimalistSC2
United States121 Posts
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axejaw
United Kingdom171 Posts
Good luck though. | ||
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Crainey
Northern Ireland101 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:20 Doublemint wrote: Quoted for truth. I also would be pretty disappointed if I was a gold member pass holder or whatever it´s called. Sort of a slap in the face. I liked MLG after they got their shit together after Dallas(eagles anyone?... :D) because they stepped up their game and produced good stable content. But 20 bucks is an audacious amount of money based on the market situation if you will, they better deliver for that amount of money or fail horribly and rethink their steps. I think the general mass of people are entirely forgetting all this. MLG does not make money solely from advertisements, I think it's fair to say that wouldn't work. They have monetary deals with sponsors including other benefits, MLG membership that costs $30 a year and season passes, ad revenue from streams and an online store (remember the MLG controller?). You also got tickets for the live events and vendors at those events. Where does all that money go? The production value of MLG events isn't really all that high in comparison to other majors, I assume the money all goes into paying staff, marketing and getting players out to events. | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
Haha, pass. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:34 Orracle wrote: Gonna go off on a SWAG here, but I'm assuming they're doing this because they ran into some problems. After they fucked over gold members(me included), a lot of us asked for refunds. At this point, they had already planned on flying out the 32 people, casters, etc - all expenses paid. They know they lost a lot of revenue from the members asking for refunds, their free stream can't generate enough revenue to cover the expenses, prize pool, etc, so they resort to a PPV show. I think they're gonna regret this. Well this isn't the case. I don't even want to speculate the consequences if it was. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:39 Parcelleus wrote: Best joke of 2012. Wait is it April 1? I had to think for second :D | ||
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jarf1337
United States146 Posts
It's $20 to pay for the flights and accomodations of 32 progamers. It's $20 for a weekend of fun in my own home. It's $20 to prove Esports is not a joke! It's $20 well spent. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:42 jarf1337 wrote: It's $20 to support the best tournament in NA. It's $20 to pay for the flights and accomodations of 32 progamers. It's $20 for a weekend of fun in my own home. It's $20 to prove Esports is not a joke! It's $20 well spent. and it's the $20 a lot of us don't have T__T. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:23 Jibba wrote: Youtube lost billions of dollars for years and has only relatively recently begun to make money for Google. Most football, basketball and baseball teams are losing money, which is why they have revenue sharing from the giants. Television is dying with advertising, media is dying with advertising. And the actual truth is that SC2 is dying with advertising. People have been fed a vision of mainstream ESPORTS for too long, and they don't realize people are just taking loss leaders on a hope that's never going to happen. Even the giants in BW have been falling for years. It's a bubble and a niche, and there will never be a viewership that can sustain an advertising based/free system. Never. The entire system is currently reliant on investors, and you can't keep that up. Television and written media were sustainable for a very long time entirely on advertising revenue. However, as you say, they are dying out now, but not because the advertising model is bad, but because a large amount of that content is now free (supported by advertising) and available on the internet instead. Either way, it should not mean that SC2 can or can't be based upon advertising revenue alone. If SC2 is too small to survive without free streams, then there is a big problem. For it to grow, it needs to become more mainstream, which means bringing in more viewers. I do not see this happening if PPV is the standard model, as it will probably result in less viewers. If SC2 tournaments are losing money, then expectations need to be reduced, flying players and casters to NYC seems really over the top, and maybe prize pools need to be smaller, casters paid less etc in order for it to survive. Obviously without the figures, this is all conjecture. I think this is a worthy experiment, but for me personally, I wont be purchasing. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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Ruyguy
Canada988 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
To me this is gonna be make or break for the PPV type of structure. MLG has to pull through here, they have to do something different then every other free tournament. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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thingULTRA
United States48 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:42 jarf1337 wrote: It's $20 to support the best tournament in NA. It's $20 to pay for the flights and accomodations of 32 progamers. It's $20 for a weekend of fun in my own home. It's $20 to prove Esports is not a joke! It's $20 well spent. Exactly. This is when we separate the people who love E-sports from the others. Sundance has provided a preview of the service and I bet we will see more in the weeks coming. If anyone can sell a $20 tournament, it is Sundance. | ||
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