EPTMLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 65
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
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sm0b
United States157 Posts
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wichenks
Canada153 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:09 FXOBoSs wrote: I will be buying a ticket. But, I will also be at the event. If the production quality is not up to par, I will whine to them. For $20 the show better be good.. Arena is a good platform to actually do really good production, so it better live up to my expectations ~_~ Very True. MLG has NO room for error this time around. | ||
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Tezzick
Canada187 Posts
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:59 careohx wrote: Actually im totally fine with this. I think 20dollar is fine for a great weekend worth of entertainment. I dont know guys but if you want quality, well produced tournaments and esports to grow you need to accept things like this and realize that it is still cheaper than going to watch a movie... I quess this will only be an issue for young people who have no access to a credit card. Oh wait movie 10 dollars. I really don't like this amount of time/cost. If so everyone watching UFC is getting ripped. Going to a quality movie is worth alot more than 20 hours of breaks and not knowing when games actually start+tech issues+possible commericals imo. Edit: This also cuts out 100% of casual fans who watch cause it is interesting but don't play the game or watch streamers every day like myself. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
Close To the guy who emailed me and threatened to skull fuck me for charging $20 for the Arena - you sir are a class act. Work on the grammar. Retweeted by Totalbiscuit i lold | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:03 pallad wrote: NO sir , MLG always was greedy. Other big tournaments never gonna make step like this. Pay for HD yes , pay for watch no.. They try to get rich by hurting e-sports , they even trick MLG gold members and now they must pay agine to watch it , its stupid and silly. MLG still have lowest price money from all very big tournaments , and now thye make this.. its greed , nothing more. Yes, greed is what motivates Sundance, that's why he got into esports. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:08 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Ok so I am confused right now, will there still be the ability to watch the tournament live even if you do not pay? At low quality, at least? Because I will not be able to pay. I'm 13 and my parents hate spending any money on videogames, much less for WATCHING a video game T_T Not the arena games. You can still watch all of the normal events though on SQ for free, that is my impression. | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
Even when I compare it to the GSL VoD/HD service, the cost seems much much higher, if you're thinking of cost per hour. The GSL has the highest production quality and players of any tournament. What could MLG do better that could warrant their higher prices? I can't imagine it. I just find this baffling from a competitive business perspective. You can't just arbitrarily set prices at whatever you want. Was there some research that lead them to the conclusion that they would generate sufficient revenue? How could this be? With so many comparable alternatives which are free, how could they possibly have success at a much higher cost? Perhaps they have increased their quality by an absurd amount, and the new price is warranted, but I just don't see that as likely. But they are fair enough to offer the free stream on the first matches to judge it at least. We'll have to see how those look. And what is all this entitlement and deserving talk? You (random users in this thread) can't just tell consumers "you should have to pay for this." What kind of a view is that in the service industry? You don't decide how customers should feel. Customers believe what they want, and then you deal with it. If someone isn't willing to pay $20 for a stream, that's their viewpoint, who are you to tell them how much value they should place on something? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
I'm going to pay it. I don't think I should but I am going to go down to the grocery store and buy a 25 dollar visa giftcard (student...can't apply for credit card haha) and buy the damn thing. Do I want to see anything more than sc2? Nah. I find all the FPS games INSANELY boring to watch, quake was cool but the COD shooting through walls all game and Halo jumping around like fucking deer is zzzz. Most of hte other stuff they offer is pretty boring to watch for me to honestly and I try everything and keep a very open mind (I wanted halo for 2 hours just trying to enjoy it but couldnt ><, COD i turned off after like 5 minutes of watching them shoot through walls and shit). So basicly I think I am paying 20 dollars + tax for something I am only getting 4-5 dollars out of. But that's ok because I really want to see sc2 take off. I want to see dedicated gaming houses and practice routines like they have in korea in NA and see video games become more main-stream than they are besides the whole "im a geek hahaha so cute" you see on TV. I just don't want MLG to start adapting this as their business model instead of making cuts to some of their expenses (100,000 for accomodation/flying players in? Why not share the costs, or share a larger portion, with their teams and stuff. Tricky subject since you want the best there and if they cant afford it then the tournament is a waste (take that people who are for not wanting koreans in NA tournaments, nobody wants to tune in to see sub-par play going on like NA only offers) TL:DR, fuck it. I'ma pay my money, if I feel it was wasted I wont do it again. If this helps get esports off the ground more (I really feel LoL and SC2 are the only 2 games that can do it. everything else is just not viewer-friendly, LoL really isn't TBH haha). | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:07 casualman wrote: They don't. That's exactly why they're doing this--because living off advertisement revenue isn't enough to sustain MLG or isn't enough to propel them to the vision of the business that they have. Exactly, I dont know where people keep thinking that this is a sustainable business model... Perhaps if there were less SC2 tournaments in general then perhaps it would work better, but thats not the case. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
You already paid the $30, and are signed up for auto-renew, but MLG hasn't figured out exactly what they will give you for that money. They probably felt emboldened to do this move after seeing their success with the yearly membership. This is why doing something "for esports" is a bad idea.... if an idea on it own merits works out for both parties, then thats sustainable, whats not sustainable is trying to help along MLG while they experiment with how to run a SC2 business. Sundance will claim that if MLG fails, SC2 fails.... that's not the case.... if MLG fails, maybe its because they have a CEO who made some bad moves.. not because SC2 isn't a strong growing esport. Sundance claiming there aren't enough SC2 fans to run an advertising business, is exactly akin to Idra saying the Z can't beat P. The fact that Sundances' tweet basically says the ad model is dead despite 98% of tournement running on that model is just like Idra QQ'ing about zerg while Stephano wins tournaments left and right. You know who survives on ads.... Google, Facebook, Zynga, Yahoo, 500 television channels, Football, basketball, baseball, tennis, and every other SC2 tournament out there. So don't cry that the ad model is broken.... maybe your cost structure is broken! | ||
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CallmeMuppet
Ireland176 Posts
I would consider paying for an event that has proven to be good and well thought. I would not pay 20$ though. Also, as long as there are players who don't give a fuck about the audience I don't see any reason to pay for the risk of seing someone 6 pool twice in a row. So no because of: - Short event - Player base - Technical and content issues in the past - price too high - Possibility of still seing commercials (They have sponsors, I don't think they want to step down they are paying money after all) - Better tournaments (imo - can argue about that) for free with the same content | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:10 Oreo7 wrote: Yes, greed is what motivates Sundance, that's why he got into esports. Motivations never change I guess...Halo guy, oh hey SC2, oh yea we make money. | ||
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:57 DR.Ham wrote: Reading is not your strong suit is it? I have not complained that it's $20, not once, I didn't ask for it to be free, it's their content, they can charge what they want for it. I have a good job, I can afford it but choose not to. All I said was not to abuse people who can't afford it or don't think it's good value. Despite the evidence, I haven't called you a cunt yet, and don't appreciate you doing so to others. Agreed, but I wouldn't waste your time trying to reason with this mentality. Judging from the profuse allcaps yelling, swearing, and ad-hominems, apparently he's emotionally affected by the fact that some people don't think it's worth the money. Regardless, I'll certainly be watching Assembly instead. | ||
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dekarp
286 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:25 yarkO wrote: It astonishes me to no end just how entitled the internet makes people feel. Fucking vultures always circle the free meal. It's 20 bucks for a weekend of entertainment from a source that you KNOW provides quality! What a bunch of ungrateful twats. "Everything online should always be free! Let us have everything for nothing! ME ME ME ME ME! I only support eSports when it's spoon-fed to me at no cost!" E-sports will never grow with this community of free-loaders. Not even willing to pay $1 dollar an hour... lol Idk about you, but I go to college full time and get shitty pay at a part time job. 3 days, $20 for SCII? No thanks, not at this point in my life. You also made another post saying something along the lines of "prioritize your money" in a dick way. You know what? That's exactly what I'm doing. My money I work for and am not spoon fed is going to my life and not for 3 days of SCII entertainment. Some of us are either A) too young to have a job or B) in college, don't have the time for a real/fulltime job, and with that shitty job we have to pay rent/food/books/tuition. How about instead of bitching at people who are "bitching" you try to understand what they're going through instead of calling them "ungrateful twats". Sorry not everyone stopped education at HS and went straight into the workforce for instant consumer gratification (or are simply not your age/old). TL;DR not everyone can/wants to throw away $20 for 3 days of SCII entertainment, especially when they're accustomed to free entertainment. | ||
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Slave_Maker
United States9 Posts
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
Doesn't that mean that good business would be offing a value that is ATLEAST on par with what the leading brand already offers. I don't know, I can see where there might be flaws in that reasoning but I can't get past it. I'm fine with paying for content. I want to pay for quality content to make sure it keeps coming,but you have to sell me that it is worth the relatively high price point you have set, based on what is already offered elsewhere in the industry. Sorry MLG, I'll always still love you  | ||
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