EPTPretty disappointed, was really looking forward to watching all the great games.
MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 63
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
Pretty disappointed, was really looking forward to watching all the great games. | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:49 Brootalbro wrote: This is great. If people are willing to pay for the GSL, why can't they pay for this? Same shit, different players, amirite? That's the problem. Additionally, GSL offers a free stream and a HQ stream and much more content - Code A, Code S, Up/Down. | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Why so lame MLG? | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:49 yarkO wrote: No $20? THEN DON'T WATCH. Fuck, I don't go stand outside the movie theater with empty pockets, proclaiming my right to see a movie. If you can't afford it then boo hoo get a better job, prioritize your money. Stop thinking that you deserve to have things that cost money; for free. Would you rather pay 200$ for a brand new Xbox360 (GSL) or 200$ for a Gamestation360 (MLG)? There goes quality. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:38 disciple wrote: Perhaps. If its for the audience I completely agree, but in the case with the Arena there wont be an audience. Seeing players' real life emotions is absolutely amazing, but imho the whole excitement comes from knowing whats at stake, the high quality of the games and the energy of the casters. Those can be experienced in an online tournament or replay cast as well. Not mentioning complicated accidents and difficult administrative situations can be handled better. That got a bit off-topic. I don't think high production quality live events are the only way to go, or that they will kill off or dominate all other forms of tournaments. Imo tournament organizers should step back a bit, maybe stop renting venues for 200-300k or so. And as esports fans we should feel less obligated to sustain their business models which get market to us as "growing esports". I can't agree more! A great example was TSL 3, one of the most exciting tournaments in 2011. Every match was a highlight despite it beeing casted by a replay! I doubt its worth the effort and money to fly all theses players in and not even have a live audience. Its like musician on concerts without people. I may pay a lot of money for a live concert but not to watch it in tv. I prefer the studio version (of the album/song) then. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:44 tribulator wrote: Eliminate non-paying portion of the SC2 fan-base by adopting more payment schemes and the elimination of ad based content... Brilliance! This sounds really sustainable from an economic perspective based on current SC2 streaming audience numbers guys! the really funny thing is that despite being sarcastic sounding hes entirely correct. | ||
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pepsimaxibon
61 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:48 rave[wcr] wrote: i am greatly displeased by this. i hope this all falls apart and mlg goes back to being free again. more likely if this falls apart, it will take the hopes of mlg investors with it. nasl i'm sure won't make it till next season. ipl will become the defacto us tournament purely through having the warchest to see it through. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:51 UnknownReclaimer wrote: $20 just seems pretty ridiculous. NASL Season 1 was $20 for the WHOLE season. This just seems a bit much. I realize that they have a lot of expenses to cover this year. But you can't tell me that they didn't make killing off of everything last year. Not to mention they also raised their prices on spectator and competitor passes. There are too many great free events to watch to waste time spending money on something like this. If I do watch it, it'll be at a Barcraft. But I'll never pay $20 to watch 3 days worth of content at home. Maybe if it was for every arena for the rest of the year. Pretty disappointed, was really looking forward to watching all the great games. People are really underestimating how much it costs to run live events. expecialy in america. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:51 caradoc wrote: Right, but the 15% is double 8%, and at these numbers it's large enough to be unlikely to be attributable to statistical error. right. will you pay for this (20$) or what is the most you will pay, 20$ being one of the options. I guess we could postulate that half of the people didn't read the OP and realize it was 20$ when they voted in the first poll, accounting for the difference in results, but I guess I was pointing to the fact that it's interesting that 15% of people will say they will pay 20$ when it is a simple yes/no option, whereas that number is significantly LOWER when people see other less expensive options as possibilities. 7 people have voted for the 20 dollar option. The percentages you're citing are CLEARLY evidence that this poll hasn't nearly had the time to reach the size of the first poll. There is no argument here, until this poll gets 1000+ votes, you can't just say 15% greater than 8% and take it as evidence that the polls conflict. | ||
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Recoil
United States276 Posts
That being said the price point is too high for the current environment. 3 days for $20 is just not the proper cost to benefit when you look at the other content you can get for a similar price. I would pay $10 but $20 is on the border of too much for the content. Also MLG why did you find it a good idea to spend hundreds of thousands of additional dollars to hold a tournament that people could pay for. I believe you could've held a 16-32 man online only tournament with higher prizes because you don't need to pay for travel and still use the PPV model and charge $5 and I WOULD pay for that. 3 days of the highest level players playing for $5 well worth it plus you save so much on travel expenses. | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
GOM and OGN do not do these stupidly expensive country tours like MLG unless they actually find a big sponsor willing to pay for all that cost, and even then they don't need to set up as much PCs and equipment as MLG because it's a massive drain of money, Korea VODS and live event attendance is also free, gosh I wonder why? I have never supported or watched any PPV sport before and I will not be doing so now for a game that is starting to get stale with literally dozens of other tournaments to watch, many of which have the same players attending MLG, if not higher in caliber. If they are naive enough to start charging this much as well, then who cares I'll just watch streams, also I am starting to get tired of this game because of the inherent unit design anyway, I will just go back to watching BW if the game continues to stagnate. Good luck getting any fanbase to pay $120 a year to watch others play a game competitively, assuming 6 MLGs a year. And that's just for merely one tournament provider. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:52 TheTurk wrote: I don't think the profit increase will be worth the thousands of viewers lost due to the cost. Why so lame MLG? They are not really getting much loss from people paying $0 and I bet the loss from the people already paying for shit won't be that large. I agree it is a bit lame but honestly I don't think they'll lose much from this except total viewers (which can effect future incomes though). I don't think this is the best solution but I do agree with the bottom line, people need to start paying more for stuff they like. You could do it in other ways than fully ppv though. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
 On February 14 2012 07:54 Grumbels wrote: Please don't let this become a 100 page thread filled with bitter arguments and complaints. :o lol Anyway, as I'm sure a ton of other people said, I won't buy it because there's plenty of free content available of equal or even greater quality. | ||
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Solidarity
United States78 Posts
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:49 yarkO wrote: No $20? THEN DON'T WATCH. Fuck, I don't go stand outside the movie theater with empty pockets, proclaiming my right to see a movie. If you can't afford it then boo hoo get a better job, prioritize your money. Stop thinking that you deserve to have things that cost money; for free. Reading is not your strong suit is it? I have not complained that it's $20, not once, I didn't ask for it to be free, it's their content, they can charge what they want for it. I have a good job, I can afford it but choose not to. All I said was not to abuse people who can't afford it or don't think it's good value. Despite the evidence, I haven't called you a cunt yet, and don't appreciate you doing so to others. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:53 OrbitalPlane wrote: I can't agree more! A great example was TSL 3, one of the most exciting tournaments of 2011. Every match was a highlight despite it beeing casted by a replay! I doubt its worth the effort and money to fly all theses players in and not even have a live audience. Its like musician on concerts without people. I prefer the studio version then. Agreed. It's hard to believe that MLG isn't making this a live event with all the talent they're bringing in. . Why the fuck are you flying them down in the first place when you can cast it like any other tournament including the TSL? You aren't justifying the expenses. It's pretty silly. | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:54 pepsimaxibon wrote: more likely if this falls apart, it will take the hopes of mlg investors with it. nasl i'm sure won't make it till next season. ipl will become the defacto us tournament purely through having the warchest to see it through. I'm afraid that I would have to choose this over being expected to pay $20 every weekend they want to give me something to watch. I realize they currently will still have free shows to watch, but if this were to be successful, there is nothing from them suggesting that for "further growth" they have to charge for every single thing they produce. Heck, they might decide that for even more growth, they have to increase the cost of purchase even more. I'm sorry, but based on alternatives here, $20 for a weekend is a pretty outrageous price. I won't support it. However, if they come back with something more in-line with the price others are offering, then I'd be happy to get on board. It's fun supporting e-sports...it isn't fun getting gouged just because they can. | ||
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