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On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean.
b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean.
Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL.
Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative
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mlg taking the right steps to make sc2 a legit "sport" to watch and the first to do something different will always be thrown harsh criticism.
It is after all a tournament with the top8 best players from each region + another top 8 players who has dominated previous mlgs. Quality sure is top notch alongside dreamhack, probably better than gom. Who knows if they'll make more profit from ppv rather than ads + memberships.
Support esports but idk if this ppv will last especially since mlg isn't the most prestigious tournament out there nor the highest paying tournament.
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On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative
Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke.
Let's look at it from a realistic point:
-Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch
-European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch.
Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament.
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can't wait for the event ! <33 ^^
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$20 for an event without audience?
I don't think so, Tim.
Well, planned on watching Assembly anyways. I just hope that the MLG Championship will be for free (even if it's GSL Low quality and full with ads). I don't support the idea of completely no content unless you pay. It's like kicking the SC2-community in the face. You remember when MLG had like $7,000 prize money for SC2 and was all about console games? Now it's more than ten times that amount and it's SC2 everywhere. That's the way to thank us?
No, thanks, babe.
By the way: Paying this price does not support esports. It makes esports a sport for "rich" people only. Look at soccer! Fans all over Germany are revolting because the tickets are too expensive. You really want esports to head there? I liked that esports was for everyone and not only for rich englishmen with cylinder, monocle, stache and a horde of valets.
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On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative
While I agree what you say is true this event will be quite awesome. I don't think arguing about if it is a good tournament is the issue. The guise that MLG is some sort of grass roots is a complete farce. The real question is is MLG greedy or do they really need the money? Followed by these questions.
How does a company pull in 50 million in 2009 and not make a profit?
How does a company obtain many investors despite supposedly being in the red since their inception?
Why in a poor economy and with your supposed financial state would you hold a very expensive tournament like this?
And while taking this risk why attempt a maneuver that could potentially alienate viewers and sponsors?
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On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament.
I am going to say that one of the people you listed as "dead weight" will almost certainly top8 if not top4 the event itself.
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they dont make a profit because they are constantly reinvesting and taking additional loans to expand
so while they are making a lot of money, they arent making a profit, the money is already being spent, its not being taken home by sundance to buy ponies with.
does this mean mlg can grow faster? yes
does this mean mlg will be truely fucked if this flops? probably, but i havent seen their books so cant say for sure.
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On February 15 2012 09:40 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative While I agree what you say is true this event will be quite awesome. I don't think arguing about if it is a good tournament is the issue. The guise that MLG is some sort of grass roots is a complete farce. MLG please pony up the answer to these questions. How does a company pull in 50 million in 2009 and not make a profit? How does a company obtain many investors despite supposedly being in the red since their inception? Why in a poor economy and with your supposed financial state would you hold a very expensive tournament like this? And while taking this risk why attempt a maneuver that could potentially alienate viewers and sponsors?
1. They spent more than 50 million on there product. Income and profit are 2 entirely different things.
2. If i were a company trying to look cool and in touch with younger generation I would invest in a gaming tournament. MLG is considered by these guys to be the biggest one so investing in that seems like a smart move from an advertising standpoint.
3. There investors could finally be demanding that MLG turn a profit and that my point in number 2 is no longer enough to keep feeding the tournament.
4. If they dont make this move there might not be a tournament or a drastically downgraded tournament that would also alienate viewers.
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On February 15 2012 09:44 turdburgler wrote:
they dont make a profit because they are constantly reinvesting and taking additional loans to expand
so while they are making a lot of money, they arent making a profit, the money is already being spent, its not being taken home by sundance to buy ponies with.
does this mean mlg can grow faster? yes
does this mean mlg will be truely fucked if this flops? probably, but i havent seen their books so cant say for sure.
How does one blow through 50 million dollars while only hosting 5 or 6 events that year? And yes, I haven't either I just find it really hard to believe that you can kill 50 million without there being a misuse of funds.
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I guess MLG's lack of consistency is giving us a shock. I mean introducing different plans centered around payment every event is not going to ensure a confident audience.
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On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament.
Look at gsl, look at iem, look at IPL, every tournament has bad players in it. By your logic, "omg why should we even watch gsl, look at code a round of 48 theres a bunch of bad people in it." But the process of the tournament is to get rid of those people by natural selection. Thats actually the entire idea behind a tournament. My point is that there is a larger number of good players compared to bad players than any other tournament that has ever happened besides Providence, some gsl's, and possibly blizzard cup.
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On February 15 2012 09:43 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament. I am going to say that one of the people you listed as "dead weight" will almost certainly top8 if not top4 the event itself.
Who? TheSTC?
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I had ESL.TV Premium, you could watch all the content in HQ including HomestoryCup for about €30/year.
I wouldn't ever pay $20 for a single event. I don't care if they cover the costs for all players given it is a invitational tournament
(ye, the qualifiers weren't open)
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On February 15 2012 09:49 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:43 Adreme wrote:On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament. I am going to say that one of the people you listed as "dead weight" will almost certainly top8 if not top4 the event itself. Who? TheSTC?
I just wanna throw my 2 cents to say that TheSTC is incredibly good! Watch him play before dismissing him as a contender for this tournament... I personnally would not be surprised to see him in the top 8 or maybe top 4. This guy is legit and in a couple of months, he's my pick to be the next big terran name (along with MMA).
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Well, Netsky is giving a concert in cologne at the 24. anyway, so that´s about that.
Still wouldn´t have paid that much for one weekend, when i can get a complete GSL season for it.
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On February 15 2012 09:49 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:43 Adreme wrote:On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament. I am going to say that one of the people you listed as "dead weight" will almost certainly top8 if not top4 the event itself. Who? TheSTC?
TheSTC could certainly make a run. I could see one of the foreigners you counted out making a deep run. Remember Sheth was one of the most recent foreigners to actually win in code A losing in Ro16 to Puzzle who is certainly a top5 protoss at the moment. Huk lost his code A matches to an all in on belshir and a game on crossfire. I also have a rule against counting people who beat Nestea in ZvZ as dead weight. Sase is condidered really good by his peers and I have to count that for something and say that he also has a good chance. Would I bet on a lot of the players I listed? No, but I would not go okay this is an easy bet now when does the real event begin.
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will absolutely not be watching it, 5$ i'd probably pay, 10$ ugh.. getting a little steep, 20$? don't be so fucking greedy. they're trying to get rich off of this and i forbid any of you to let that happen by paying the same amount as a whole season of GSL, just for a weekend of mlg.
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I do not object against the concept of pay per view, but what I do object to is the amount of money they are charging for this. MLG gold membership is 29.99 dollars, including several live events. This is like 10 dollars less for a single event? Nope. Way too much for me.
edit: Also, do gold members get a discount and/or are able to watch it for free? If not they are screwing over their existing member/viewerbase. Excluding and punshing your most loyal fans (otherwise they would not invest/pay money). Be careful MLG, please.
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On February 15 2012 09:35 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:23 Luepert wrote:On February 15 2012 09:06 SovSov wrote:On February 15 2012 08:13 SeaSwift wrote:
I'm probably going to be buying a ticket this time. Not just to "support eSports", but because I think it's worth it. I would prefer to pay $20 to watch the best players play than pay nothing to watch mediocre players play, honestly.
However, I would not buy one every time if this became a regular occurence. Again, not because I don't want to support eSports, but because I could not afford it. I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect a great many people are in the same boat: aged < 30, and therefore not on such a high income that luxuries are affordable on a frequent basis. As a one-time thing, sure, but I can't pay for both GSL and MLG regularly.
It's a shame that this came as a surprise to people - on Twitter Sundance kept making allusions to pouring money in last year as an investment, and that they were going to be "leaner and meaner" (read: expect to actually make money). The amount of money might have been ($20 is a lot for one weekend is a lot, $10 would be preferable) but surely nobody expected to be able to watch MLG free forever?
Every MLG so far has been sick, and I hope this one is too! You are paying $20 to watch Code B and A Koreans and Code C Foreigners. It is no upgrade from the standard MLG circuit or any decent tournament. It is also only for 3 days worth of content and for a small prizepool (both contribute to lesser skilled games since players won't be so intensely practicing/analyzing opponents). The VoDs of which will also be available a week later for free. You could instead pay $15 for an entire Season of GSL which includes all the best Code A and Code S players competing at the highest level. You also get the VoDs from this season so you can go back and catch up on the games so far, or watch them at your convenience since the time for the live casts is so late. sc2 tournament since Providence and this gsl. So really, what the $20 gives you is: Foreigner player drama and well-timed live broadcast. Because everything else is trumped 30x over by GSL. Wait, just remembered you live in Scotland. So MLG is actually okay-timed and GSL is okay-timed for you as well. So your only justification is really $20 to watch foreigners get stomped by Koreans, and the drama that follows a foreigner taking a match off of a Korean. b and a Koreans? EVERY SINGLE person in the Korean qualifier top 8 besides TheSTC has made it to the round of 4 code S or higher. Code C foreigners? Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain are 4 of the top 5 foreigners in the world. (the other being Stephano) Not to mention Ret/ Sheth and SaSe all of whom are easily top 15 non Korean. Also MLG said the vods wold be available, just like GSL. Personally I hate PPV but you are greatly underestimating this tournament. It's probably going to be the most competative Sheth top 15 Foreigner? Oh god. You realize when you have to put "Foreigner" at the end of it in order to place someone in a "Top X" list it is already a joke. Let's look at it from a realistic point: -Every single American qualified player has just about no chance against any of the Koreans invited (except maybe Artist..) Even if they manage to beat one Korean (which again, almost no chance) they will never take down the tournament, let alone place Top 6. Right there is 7 confirmed players who won't even place Top 6 and will be a waste of time to watch -European Qualifier: Again, none of these players have a chance to place Top 6 except maybe (MAYBE) Violet. They might beat more Koreans than the Americans (a very small number, considering the Americans most likely won't beat a single Korean), but again, have virtually no chance of getting a decent placing. Waste of time to watch. Throw in a couple more players who have no chance such as Haypro, IdrA, HuK, TheSTC, Artist placing in the Top 6 and we have over half the player pool as dead weight. Half the tournament is a walkover. That is pathetic. You might cry foul to me and say "You can't possibly say that! Anyone could win! XD" but it is the cold hard truth. Any of those 16+ players targeted placing in the Top 6 will come as a surprise to everyone, hence where foreigner drama hype comes from. Hence the only reason anyone would want to watch this tournament.
Idra and Naniwa both in top 6 neither taking the event, but giving a close series to the Koreans who they lose to. Calling it here proving it soon.
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