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VokeLP
Canada16 Posts
My main problem is that the price should be lower. ($5-$10) My argument for this is because games will all be cast at the same time, and I would rather not have this because it is hard to follow. I would much rather watch one exciting match, and then another, and the boring matches can be played at the same time. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:47 NoobSkills wrote: How does one blow through 50 million dollars while only hosting 5 or 6 events that year? And yes, I haven't either I just find it really hard to believe that you can kill 50 million without there being a misuse of funds. trucking a convention centres worth of equipment around the US doesnt come cheap. they broadcast their own streams for....some reason and i heard on reddit day9 costs 20k an hour who knows. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:02 turdburgler wrote: trucking a convention centres worth of equipment around the US doesnt come cheap. they broadcast their own streams for....some reason and i heard on reddit day9 costs 20k an hour who knows. You misread that info. They were saying each game caster receives 20K per event from MLG. Which is a pretty absurd price tag. If that is in fact the case then they're definitely overpaid. Most sports casters don't even make close to that amount compared to the work they put in. Talk about role reversals. | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:07 StarStruck wrote: You misread that info. They were saying each game caster receives 20K per event from MLG. Which is pretty absurd price tag. If that is in fact the case then they're definitely overpaid as most sports casters don't even make close to that amount. Talk about role reversals. Was it people with actual insight saying this? Maybe they're half-remembering what someone said on here about Day9 making 20k for Dreamhack, but that was with it being streamed on his site and all the advertising that went with it, I don't think it was the standard fee per caster per event. | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:45 Dante_A_ wrote: The outrage over this feels very childish (literally) to me. I've seen people complain that: - Because MLG was formerly free, they owe the community further free tournaments. - MLG should be OK with losing money right now (insert a litany of reasons). - If a small 1 day tournament can charge $5, MLG's large 3-day tournament with the top casters should charge $5! We need to pay for things we consume in this world. If your not willing to pay for the MLG, thats a sign you give it a very low value. You have to pay for everything else in the world. I get the sense that a lot of the outrage is coming from younger people who haven't yet paid any bills or lived on their own (that isn't a flame, but is my honest feeling). Its understandable immaturity, but not something that is really offering any sound arguments. I agree, although I think $10 would've been a better price point; I can't really comment on what they're charging til I know how they arrived at the number. MLG has given us free events for years, so paying $20 for a three day event that includes all that it does seems very reasonable to me. As a kid I can remember begging my mom to pay $20 for a single Wrestlemania PPV event that usually lasted about two hours. That kind of comparison is why I can't understand the outrage here, is the price a little high? arguably yes. But when you take into account all that MLG has done, I find it hard to come up with a reason not to support them here. Let me be clear, I'm not attacking anyone not willing to pay $20. It's the since of entitlement that has been displayed in this thread that I find illogical. I'll probably be buying the ppv also. | ||
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Kerbaroth
Germany14 Posts
I follow the scene casually and haven't played the game in over a year. I still watch some streams now and then because I enjoy it. Up to now I have watched every Mlg and even payed 2 times for the wow arena tournaments. However since gaming is not a major part of my life anymore I doubt I will pay for it even if it might end up a great tournament of high quality. I definitely understand why they are doing it and I guess I would be happy to pay if I'd still be more involved. I just kind of fear it might endanger the development of esports since I guess the casual viewer-ship is way bigger than most people think and I doubt I'm the only person who thinks this way. | ||
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
What i did mind was that i as a gold member already had payed 30$ with the promise that i got acces to Pro circuit games. I did mind that they charged full price without giving any respect or proper explaination for why they did this. 30$ a year is not alot throught but simply taking out half of the value of that was not acceptable for me. With this 5$ discount they are doing the opposite. For anyone who plans to watch all of the 6 yearly planned MLG arena it simply can't pay off NOT to get Gold membership now. Overall gold members get to pay exactly the same as everyone else on a yearly basic, while getting BOTH championships and the arena. I certainly not feel ripped off anymore. But they probably should have come up with this at the start. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
My real concern is a) their marketing strategy b) their expenses (not just speculation) c) bringing in new money | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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crackcc
114 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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TheSurgeonTV
United States131 Posts
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:27 iky43210 wrote: MLG got 50 million assets for 2010. I'm sure they have plenty left to do whatever they wanted If they have 50 million liabilities for 2010 it means they have 0... But seriously: does anyone have access to MLG's balance sheet? Sundance's interviews in forbes and stuff make it look like a huge baller organization but if you are old enough to remember the last dot.com bubble lots of people gave those kinds of interviews before it all ended in tears... | ||
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Stossel
United States47 Posts
I love watching Tennis and the Olympics but I'd move on from those if I had to pay for it (which they tried with the Olympics and failed miserably). That doesn't mean I'm a bad fan, it just means I don't feel it's worth it. | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:07 StarStruck wrote: You misread that info. They were saying each game caster receives 20K per event from MLG. Which is a pretty absurd price tag. If that is in fact the case then they're definitely overpaid. Most sports casters don't even make close to that amount compared to the work they put in. Talk about role reversals. I disagree. I agree it's an enormous amount of money, but there is a very low supply of good casters. Events are just not the same without the top casters, and they're worth the money. There are very few casters who can manage to make a TV quality broadcast. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:56 Dodgin wrote: If you don't understand the value of a tournament spread out over a length of time then don't try to use it as an argument. I fully understand the value of a tournament spread out over time, but also understand the value of a single weekend tournament. Can you compare the excitement of Leenock's run through MLG Providence to Jjakji's run through the GSL? I believe most people would place a higher "excitement" rating on Leenock and what he pulled off over the span of a few days, even though Jjakji's accomplishment could be considered more impressive in some ways. My argument was that just because the GSL is charging X, it doesn't mean that it would be wrong for the MLG to charge X for a different product. They are two different quantities, and are priced completely independently of each other. Your free to pay for one and not the other. I'm not sure why the price of the GSL matters when the MLG is producing a completely different product. For people in North America, the MLG is on during prime-time. The GSL on the other hand is extremely difficult to watch live for North Americans, and many watch the VODs, which is a very different product than a watching a live stream. | ||
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