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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:08 Sub40APM wrote: They spent 200k for casters at providence ??!?!?!?!?! I saw his post too and no, he means 20k would be split amongst all the casters per event (at first I thought it were per title when I first looked over it), which sounds more accurate. -_- | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Also they could save the trouble of releasing the VODs a week later. I mean, if I come home from work and want to watch today's games I already have enough trouble not getting spoilered but after one week there is no way you don't know who won and against whom. And for the purpose of just viewing it for the sake of watching good Starcraft, I mean honestly, who on the internet gives a flying fuck about what happened last week? Maybe the finals and two of the drama games / highly recommended games if you are into it but that is it. | ||
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Desiato
Canada185 Posts
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:38 Callobono wrote: I watched plenty of games as esports over time and games come and go im no expert but i think the only really sustainable 1 game has been sc:bw they come and go and a computer game will never be football baseball or hockey. Just think its the way it works and it will be fan based things mostly these things are gona come down to that and people who think they se a market and try to profit and fail. sc2 will come and go butt will it really impact your life that mutch if you have sc2 to watch or not? there are still expansions to be released, and hopefully around the end of starcraft 2 we will have warcraft 4 to look forward to or a brand new esport competitive RTS... esports is not esport, its "esports" with an S at the end. It should not have to ride the back off just 1 game, but if there are muliple successfull games, then an "esport" channel on t.v could be made if their is alot of interest which could in the future drive this stuff more mainstream. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:43 Fenrax wrote: I think this is a very bad decision for SC2. BW in Korea back in the day could only grow so big because people could watch it. Also they could save the trouble of releasing the VODs a week later. I mean, if I come home from work and want to watch today's games .I already have enough trouble not getting spoilered but after one week there is no way you don't know who won and against whom. And for the purpose of just viewing it for the sake of watching good Starcraft, I mean honestly, who on the internet gives a flying fuck about what happened last week? Maybe the finals and two of the drama games / highly recommended games if you are into it but that is it. totally agree, the reason i stayed up with pro sc bw and then into sc2 was because of watching english casts on youtube by people like diggity and klazart, if not for that i would not be watching sc2 casts now, free streams get more viewers, then they leverage that into sponsors like every other sport. even ufc has been doing fox and fx broadcast because they know if they put it on free tv they will grow their audience. also agree i have no interest in vods once i know who won. | ||
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Zraf
54 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:35 Primadog wrote: Winter Arena is not the litmus test for the PPV model - it has been done before. It should be obvious now that MLG handled the Winter Arena announcement poorly. The current commentary has been that part of the blame goes to community's dislike over the PPV model, and damning the results as a make-or-break moment for PPV eSports. This is a strange line of thought, considering that we already had tested PPV in StarCraft 2 before, and it worked. GOMtv's Arena of Legends http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Arena_of_Legends Arena of Legends is a series of invitational tournaments organised by GOMTV and which are separate from the GSL series. The invites are chosen among the prominent South Korean SC2 scene players. In contrast to GSL and GSTL formats, this tournament was available to premium users. This means that there will be no free SQ stream and no free VODs for this event. The premium ticket will be priced at 4.99$ (ad) / 9.99$ (no-ad). Rumors has it that the event was outrageously successful. While GOMtv never publicize numbers, you can check the VOD view count for yourself. the PPV model has been tested in SC2. Tested without all the drama. GOMtv followed up the first AoL with two more events, and will no doubt make more. Winter Arena may succeed or fail, but it is not a litmus test for PPV in SC2. Suggesting so is disingenuous: just putting the Community at gun point. It was never on par with the regular GSL tho, and one of the reasons why a lot of people bought it was because it was relatively cheap. | ||
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AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote: I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered. At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1595 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:37 Sub40APM wrote: If they have 50 million liabilities for 2010 it means they have 0... But seriously: does anyone have access to MLG's balance sheet? Sundance's interviews in forbes and stuff make it look like a huge baller organization but if you are old enough to remember the last dot.com bubble lots of people gave those kinds of interviews before it all ended in tears... But what bust has MLG had? More viewers? Better turnouts at events? Doesn't seem like a bust. If they do indeed have 50 million in liabilities and only run 6 events which most of the time seem low end convention centers (not always) then they should probably look at costs and trim a bit more fat should they not? On February 15 2012 10:02 turdburgler wrote: trucking a convention centres worth of equipment around the US doesnt come cheap. they broadcast their own streams for....some reason and i heard on reddit day9 costs 20k an hour who knows. Convention center for 3 days - pretty big Lugging + Purchasing equpment - lugging is easy, purchasing is hard, but it can all be reused, and has been. The caster thing seems to be something they're doing wrong if indeed they are paying 20k per, but I seriously doubt that. If that were true that means that if a caster casted every event they would in the end make more than if a single player won every event. Doesn't add up. Also if the costs of casters were that high there are actually quite a few people who can cast sufficently and they would trim the fat. I also don't think there would be a blanket price per caster. I'm sure Day9 Tasteless and Artosis would cost a bit more than Mr.Bitter. | ||
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kraut
374 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote: Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) common sense | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote: Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Ah, thats why he doesnt run commercials and doesnt get tired to repeat that his subscription is absoletely not needed. Because hes a greedy moneywhore. Yeah, that makes sense. Btw: no one here would NOT cast MLG if they would cover your expenses, because its also "a commercial" for yourself. So far with your common sense. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote: Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote: Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers. Yeah, I remember seeing someone post that in this thread too. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote: Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote: What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote: No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. I know that, whats your point? It's still Dramhack, not day9hack. They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said. But im sure he would have done it for 2 cookies and a glass of water too. And im pretty sure day9 is a "moneywhore" (not in a bad way), Twitch ads, Twitch subscribtions, MLG, DH, AHGL, ... probably more stuff. | ||
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