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On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did.
But didn't you know that all the casters are working for free because they love Esports? They are giving up the prime years of their lives when they could be building professional carriers to bring the best SC2 around. All they ask is enough money to cover their rent, food and the cost of comic books. Seriously, if they work for no money, I don't see why MGL has to charge anything....
Please, get real. Day9, artosis and the other casters are making money at these events. Do you think that Artosis is at MLG and not Assembly because he likes MLG better? No, its because they are paying him for this time.
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On February 15 2012 12:27 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. I know that, whats your point? It's still Dramhack, not day9hack. They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said. But im sure he would have done it for 2 cookies and a glass of water too. And im pretty sure day9 is a "moneywhore" (not in a bad way), Twitch ads, Twitch subscribtions, MLG, DH, AHGL, ... probably more stuff.
His point was that Day9 could have included his commercial ad revenue in the total money made for DreamHack. I have no clue how that whole situation worked, so I won't comment on it, but I think he point was that Day9 could have been paid in many different scenarios to reach that final number
1k from Dreamhack + 19k from commercials on his 50k viewer stream.
20k from Dreamhack 0 dollars from commercials because DH said no commercials.
10k/10k
So on and so on too many scenarios that I don't care to think up 
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On February 15 2012 12:27 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. I know that, whats your point? It's still Dramhack, not day9hack. They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said. But im sure he would have done it for 2 cookies and a glass of water too. And im pretty sure day9 is a "moneywhore" (not in a bad way), Twitch ads, Twitch subscribtions, MLG, DH, AHGL, ... probably more stuff.
Honestly, are you trolling? Or just not able to comprehend what i just said?
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Er hat auf seinem eigenen Channel gestreamt. Mit durchgehend mindestens 25000-30000 Viewern, Peaks um die 50-60000 Viewer. Und das durchgehend, nicht nur ein, zwei Spiele. Jetzt denk mal kurz nach. Da hat keiner niemandem "2k für streaming/casting/bla" gezahlt. Sie werden sicher was gezahlt haben, aber weit mehr Geld hat er mit der Werbung gemacht, die auf seinem Stream liefen. Geschnallt? Gut. Jetzt lies nochmal das Statement das du zitiert hast von inControl, wo er sagt das Day9 das Wochenende ca. 20000$ "gemacht" hat. Nicht, dass DH Day9 20000$ gezahlt hat.
Day9 also does not run Ads (like nearly every other tournament/streamer/whatever) - and he insists, that you just pay if you want to participate on Viewerbattles. Its completely voluntary, you get the Day9 Daily including every special event for free. And that will (his words, not mine) never change.
Edit: sorry for the spoiler, i saw he is also german, i can explain myself way better in our mothertongue than in english. All the flaming was done in english, so.. Meh.
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On February 15 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. But didn't you know that all the casters are working for free because they love Esports? They are giving up the prime years of their lives when they could be building professional carriers to bring the best SC2 around. All they ask is enough money to cover their rent, food and the cost of comic books. Seriously, if they work for no money, I don't see why MGL has to charge anything.... Please, get real. Day9, artosis and the other casters are making money at these events. Do you think that Artosis is at MLG and not Assembly because he likes MLG better? No, its because they are paying him for this time.
Of course they do. They have to, of course. But the numbers are so obviously stupid, do you really think that MLG/DH pays 20k per caster to get them on the show?
Honestly, nobody could be THAT naive.
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It doesnt make any difference how he gets payed (DH directly or through ads on his channel).
It's still money he gets for casting at Dreamhack.
Whats your point.
Im out , you keep repeating yourself. Good night.
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On February 15 2012 12:37 werynais wrote:
It doesnt make any difference how he gets payed (DH directly or through ads on his channel).
It's still money he gets for casting at Dreamhack.
Whats your point.
Im out , you keep repeating yourself. Good night.
Yeah. I do, because you dont get it.
Btw, your argument was "They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said.". They didnt. That easy, if you cant grasp that, not my fault.
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On February 15 2012 12:39 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:37 werynais wrote:
It doesnt make any difference how he gets payed (DH directly or through ads on his channel).
It's still money he gets for casting at Dreamhack.
Whats your point.
Im out , you keep repeating yourself. Good night. Yeah. I do, because you dont get it. Btw, your argument was "They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said.". They didnt. That easy, if you cant grasp that, not my fault.
Why don't you explain it already? What's the difference?
Don't tell me its because of the "They".
Doesn't matter at all who payed him, i was not referring to DH specifically.
He earned 20K with casting/... u know what / ... on 3 days. Thats pretty good i would say.
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I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount?
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On February 15 2012 12:36 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. But didn't you know that all the casters are working for free because they love Esports? They are giving up the prime years of their lives when they could be building professional carriers to bring the best SC2 around. All they ask is enough money to cover their rent, food and the cost of comic books. Seriously, if they work for no money, I don't see why MGL has to charge anything.... Please, get real. Day9, artosis and the other casters are making money at these events. Do you think that Artosis is at MLG and not Assembly because he likes MLG better? No, its because they are paying him for this time. Of course they do. They have to, of course. But the numbers are so obviously stupid, do you really think that MLG/DH pays 20k per caster to get them on the show? Honestly, nobody could be THAT naive.
I am sure he is well paid and the amount would surprise us. Maybe not 20k , but the amount is like close to five digits.
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My wife would not let me drop $20 for every starcraft tourney I want to watch.. sry, the line must be drawn here. NO FURTHER
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On February 15 2012 12:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:36 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On February 15 2012 12:20 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:18 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:14 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:12 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:06 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:03 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 11:25 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually dont really believe that. I mean, every caster would gladly take the 20k, but i think Day9 would do it just for food and logis, so his expenses are covered.
At least, thats the way i think about him. So.. Meh, no. I dont think they received 20k. Also, that would make Mr. Bitter look really stupid, with his comments about no tournament being profitable (because he would be a reason for that). Cant imagine Bitter that stupid. Sure dude, stop being so naive. Nothing to do with that. But im sure you can explain why your opinion is more accurate than mine, im listening. =) Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162Moneyquote: "Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend?" - Incontrol I dont want to argue with you, just saying that casters get a loooooooooooooot of money. Theres no need to argue, you just have to get your facts right. You know, things like the fact that he streamed the whole time, with peaks at 50k viewers, and 25-30k average. What exactly do you want to tell me with that? It's pretty obvious that casters are "streaming" the games, right? No, its not. He streamed on his own channel, i thought that is pretty obvious. You know where Mr. Bitter streamed HSC4, or Rotterdam streamed IEM? I give you a hint. They did not. They commentated. They didnt stream, IEM did. But didn't you know that all the casters are working for free because they love Esports? They are giving up the prime years of their lives when they could be building professional carriers to bring the best SC2 around. All they ask is enough money to cover their rent, food and the cost of comic books. Seriously, if they work for no money, I don't see why MGL has to charge anything.... Please, get real. Day9, artosis and the other casters are making money at these events. Do you think that Artosis is at MLG and not Assembly because he likes MLG better? No, its because they are paying him for this time. Of course they do. They have to, of course. But the numbers are so obviously stupid, do you really think that MLG/DH pays 20k per caster to get them on the show? Honestly, nobody could be THAT naive. I am sure he is well paid and the amount would surprise us. Maybe not 20k , but the amount is like close to five digits.
Of course he is well paid. He attracts viewers. A lot. Same with Tastosis. And in my opinion, justified. They donate pretty much their whole life to that, so yeah. But saying "well they paid 20k per caster x10" is.. Well, exaggerated, to say the least. Or better, nicest.
Edit: i actually dont think its close to 5 diggits. More likely half that + travel.
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On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount?
Well that was not my argument at all.
And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here.
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On February 15 2012 12:53 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount? Well that was not my argument at all. And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here.
Are you drunk? Honestly? Your argument was, and i quote now: ""They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said.""
The whole point of the discussion is not how much money a caster makes, but what he is PAID by the tournament. And with "nobody can help you" i meant that if you dont get it now, you will never get it. Ever. Obviously.
For future reference, stop trolling.
Edit: They spent 200k for casters at providence ??!?!?!?!?!
That started it, btw. 10x 20k, because of the legend of Day9 getting paid 20k on DH. Which is wrong. See how it does not matter how much Day9 made that Weekend, but what he was paid by DH, which was not 20k?
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On February 15 2012 12:57 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:53 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount? Well that was not my argument at all. And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here. Are you drunk? Honestly? Your argument was, and i quote now: ""They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said."" The whole point of the discussion is not how much money a caster makes, but what he is PAID by the tournament. And with "nobody can help you" i meant that if you dont get it now, you will never get it. Ever. Obviously. For future reference, stop trolling.
Where are your manners? Don't treat me like i'm stupid or something. You know very well that i'm not trolling
There is and was obviously nothing to discuss between us, thats why i said i dont want to argue with you. My point was that casters make good money.Thats it. If i didn't make that clear i'm sorry.
So much time wasted. Have a good night.
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On February 15 2012 12:57 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:53 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount? Well that was not my argument at all. And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here. Are you drunk? Honestly? Your argument was, and i quote now: ""They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said."" The whole point of the discussion is not how much money a caster makes, but what he is PAID by the tournament. And with "nobody can help you" i meant that if you dont get it now, you will never get it. Ever. Obviously. For future reference, stop trolling.
Where are your manners? Don't treat me like i'm stupid or something. You know very well that i'm not trolling
There is and was obviously nothing to discuss between us, thats why i said i dont want to argue with you. My point was that casters make good money.Thats it. If i didn't make that clear i'm sorry.
So much time wasted. Have a good night.
One last question: are you in love with day9?
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On February 15 2012 13:06 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:57 m4inbrain wrote:On February 15 2012 12:53 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount? Well that was not my argument at all. And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here. Are you drunk? Honestly? Your argument was, and i quote now: ""They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said."" The whole point of the discussion is not how much money a caster makes, but what he is PAID by the tournament. And with "nobody can help you" i meant that if you dont get it now, you will never get it. Ever. Obviously. For future reference, stop trolling. Where are your manners? Don't treat me like i'm stupid or something. You know very well that i'm not trolling There is and was obviously nothing to discuss between us, thats why i said i dont want to argue with you. My point was that casters make good money.Thats it. If i didn't make that clear i'm sorry. So much time wasted. Have a good night.
At 5am my manners are already in bed, maybe youre right. Sorry for that. Good night, should go to bed as well.
And yeah, im obviously in love with Day9 and want to have his gaybies. Problem with that? Or was it just a try to flame?
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On February 15 2012 12:57 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:53 werynais wrote:On February 15 2012 12:48 m4inbrain wrote:
I did, open the spoiler. If you cant grasp the difference between "DH paid 20k" and "They paid X and Day9 earned X due revenue", nobody can help you. Just to remind you: the initial argument was: "MLG is so stupid to pay casters so much money".
You know.. They dont. Its based on a "legend" that DH paid Day9 20k. Which they did not. If Day9 would have won the lottery that day, he would have made 2,3 millions that weekend. Do you really think, DH paid that amount? Well that was not my argument at all. And please don't refer to "nobody", it's only us talking here. Are you drunk? Honestly? Your argument was, and i quote now: ""They payed him 20k for streaming/casting/promoting/whatever. Thats all i said."" The whole point of the discussion is not how much money a caster makes, but what he is PAID by the tournament. And with "nobody can help you" i meant that if you dont get it now, you will never get it. Ever. Obviously. For future reference, stop trolling. Edit: That started it, btw. 10x 20k, because of the legend of Day9 getting paid 20k on DH. Which is wrong. See how it does not matter how much Day9 made that Weekend, but what he was paid by DH, which was not 20k?
While I totally agree with your point. How much Day[9] earns from DH isn't relevent to why MLG is making us pay for a weekend event. Though if DH did pay him 20k people could guess that he earns near that reguarily which means that casters are killing esports (lol). Then we could state that because they overpay casters we are now being forced to pay $20 for a weekend event. But then to go even futher you would assume that Tasteless and Artosis and perhaps even DjWheat command similar earnings, so this MLG event because Day[9] is not there would cost at least 60k.
In reality though all side discussions are irrelevent because we don't have all the information. MLG proving they have a net loss. Then showing a balance sheet with all expenses and if they indeed were in the red (which I don't think they are) we could analyze what they're spending so much money on. Perhaps they get beat down by the internet company on the MLG weekends and the fact that casters earn 20k an event then becomes irrelevent to this discussion, however, the players vs caster discusssion may still take place. And on that side argument if they indeed do make 20k an event which I'm not so sure is true, that means that over the course of a MLG season even if a player wins every single event they still make less than a caster if they cast every single event (in years past that is).
MLG = Major League Greed
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What I don't get is why Sundance teases us with outlandish numbers and potential locations on his twitter, and then hikes up the price because they need the extra money to scrape by.
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On February 15 2012 13:22 ClysmiC wrote:
What I don't get is why Sundance teases us with outlandish numbers and potential locations on his twitter, and then hikes up the price because they need the extra money to scrape by.
agreed, i feel like its alittle offtopic but the hype is unneeded and honestly I wonder if mlg wishes they never had announced his ppv stuff.
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