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On February 14 2012 20:09 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 20:00 clementdudu wrote:
if you want to support esports,do not buy it.
edit:a tournament supporting esport is making money through adds on free streams,lots of viewers attracting sponsors,bringing money into the scene,not the opposite.
i sincerely hope assembly will rape mlgs numbers And how do you know that that is enough money wise? You know what the cost is of flying out 32 top players in addition to venue, production (satellite trucks last year for example) and prize pool? Ads don't cover that, and the ROI for sponsors simply isn't enough. MLG as it was in 2011 simply isn't sustainable costwise.
its been sustainable for over a decade for the likes of OGN, MBC, ESL and some other leagues, so that statement shouldnt make sense
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On February 14 2012 20:07 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 14 2012 19:48 Koshi wrote:
So true. 20$ is not rightly priced. We can get the same quality watching Assembly.
$20 dollars may not be worth it to you, but so long as MLG isn't profiteering, then $20 is the price. It costs money to fly the best players from around the world and put them in the same room and if you buy Sundance's argument that this is the reason for the $20 PPV, then any similar event (whichever company puts it on), will be similarly priced. The argument is not that simple. The factor that matters is total revenue: price times number of purchases. If at least twice as many people buy a $10 pass than the $20 pass, then the $10 pass is simply a better idea. And the lower the price is, the more people you can expect to buy it. The question is at which price is revenue maximized. I'd be surprised if that's at $20. I agree with another post a bit above me, that we'll probably see the price lowered soon as a marketing trick.
Excellent point which I hadn't considered. The lower the price, the more people may buy it, but this thread suggests there's a fair number of people who simply won't pay for Starcraft whatever the price. This affects the equation and lowering the price may not attract enough new viewers to make up for the lost revenue, and you many not even cover your costs.
$20 dollars may not be the price at which revenue is maximised, but I doubt that anyone truly knows what that price point is, since this is the first event where we've seen this situation. At best, Sundance has figures from those people who shelled out money for previous MLG passes to use as a guide.
I wouldn't be surprised if $20 did end up being the optimum price point. It gets the maximum value from those actually willing to pay for a quality event, while not being so high to turn those paying customers away. But that's all theory-crafting.
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This is so great ! Happy to see tournaments starting to get a healthy business model !
20$ might be slightly too high though. This is simply because the people who would pay for this mostly have a pretty low income so I think you'd get waaay more paying costumers with a price around 10$.
But that's just my guess 
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On February 14 2012 20:15 zasda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 20:08 Belial88 wrote:
MLG always has amazing tournaments, and the price for content is competitive to GSL.
$20 really is not that much money, it's barely a tank of gas or dinner for a couple. why are you comparing it to random things. compare to other sc2 stuff that require payment. Nowhere near gsl lol u see hwo many content u get for 15$??? or maybe u racist ..
Not everyone loves GSL. For me $20 for an MLG weekend is better value than $15 for whatever you get with GSL's brand.
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On February 14 2012 20:21 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 20:15 zasda wrote:On February 14 2012 20:08 Belial88 wrote:
MLG always has amazing tournaments, and the price for content is competitive to GSL.
$20 really is not that much money, it's barely a tank of gas or dinner for a couple. why are you comparing it to random things. compare to other sc2 stuff that require payment. Nowhere near gsl lol u see hwo many content u get for 15$??? or maybe u racist .. Not everyone loves GSL. For me $20 for an MLG weekend is better value than $15 for whatever you get with GSL's brand.
I don't Buy it either but i watch it free D; but isee it more content than mlg
Only i payed from was hsc xD even though u cud see half hd for free xD
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i wouldnt have a problem with it being ppv to cover costs, each to their own way of doing things. except why are they paying for flights? better yet, why are they making it a lan event with no live audience? it seems like they have thrown themselves under the bus with increased costs that no one asked for then want to turn around and ask us to pay for it.
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Good bye my lover, good bye MLG.
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From the "view demo" of premium stream it seems MLG is still using the softener filter to hide the obvious low bitrate* stream they promote as HD. Lets be honest we've seen some individuals streaming at higher bitrates and resolution.
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On February 14 2012 20:25 turdburgler wrote:
i wouldnt have a problem with it being ppv to cover costs, each to their own way of doing things. except why are they paying for flights? better yet, why are they making it a lan event with no live audience? it seems like they have thrown themselves under the bus with increased costs that no one asked for then want to turn around and ask us to pay for it.
good point ... didn't thought about that too much.
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I've been thinking about the promoting esports argument and it connects with another train of thought I had earlier this week. To have the SC2 audience grow, tournaments have to start thinking outside of TL. I have little doubts that the majority of MLG viewers informs itself on TL.net. MLG and the other tournaments need to start attracting viewers from the outside. Anything else is just not "promoting esport".
I am not sure a hefty price like $20 is going to be helpful with that in mind. You could compare 20 bucks to a visit to the cinema and on paper 3 days of MLG minor event will win over 2h of movies. But the "success" of the 20 bucks investment for the viewer is subjective. And if you ask me whether I would prefer spending 20 bucks on Star Wars 3D or 3 days of MLG... Quality over quantity, mate. MLG and cinema don't play in the same ballpark. Not even close.
The sad thing is: the average internet citizen is a dumb sheep and will rejoice as if heaven came down on earth, once MLG gets the idea to lower the price to something reasonable. And then everyone congratulates MLG for being a good angel on the SC2 community.
In the end, I wish some people would remember this question: How exactly was that promoting esports? Has it attracted viewers from outside tight communities like TL.net? Has it attracted the average Joe on the street hearing from a mate about this great tournament for a computer game? Those are the kind of questions that promote esport, not just "how can I make more money?". Get average people wanting to see two people nerding out in their booths, then you are promoting esports.
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On February 14 2012 20:25 turdburgler wrote:
i wouldnt have a problem with it being ppv to cover costs, each to their own way of doing things. except why are they paying for flights? better yet, why are they making it a lan event with no live audience? it seems like they have thrown themselves under the bus with increased costs that no one asked for then want to turn around and ask us to pay for it.
I agree with this point. I just do not see what the business plan is here. Aside from a few of the koreans and europeans most of the players would have had travel covered by the team. A live audience is another potential source of revenue, though I'm not sure if they would actually make money off the audience or it would just pay for the increased space, but certainly having a crowd adds value to the broadcast. MLG hyped their viewer numbers throughout all of last year, and now take an approach that is sure to drastically lower them. The only conclusion I can come to is that they couldn't translate those viewer numbers into sponsor dollars and are now just trying a new approach, it seems so poorly executed though.
And what happened to ESPN? Didn't Sundance tweet about being in talks with ESPN last year? Not a peep about it this year.
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On February 14 2012 20:25 turdburgler wrote:
i wouldnt have a problem with it being ppv to cover costs, each to their own way of doing things. except why are they paying for flights? better yet, why are they making it a lan event with no live audience? it seems like they have thrown themselves under the bus with increased costs that no one asked for then want to turn around and ask us to pay for it.
excellent point
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Seems like a really bad move to me...
Not only do they actually have another major tournament to compete with, they're also setting the price rather high compared to ... well the GSL.
I'm not going to moan about them charging, but I think they're hurting themselves by setting it at 20$. I think setting it at 5$ would have gotten them sufficiently extra viewers to be more profittable, well if there was no assembly. But that's pure speculation, and I really have no qualifications that would be remotely relevant...
It will be very interesting to see how it works out. If any such data is going to be discussed.
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Erm just tried the demo ... should THAT make me spend 20$?
Screenshot of 720p+
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For this so called "HD" i allready paid the whole last year. And now they want to rip me off with presenting the same content but for more money? ...
Edit: at least they dont automatically renew my old membership
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I feel like MLG should do what they did last year where they had one of their first events free HD and maybe the next event PPV. Every event has a free stream andI don't see a good reason to pay for this one.
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mlg will get horrible viewer counts....well played sundance, well played.....oh wait... NOT
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On February 14 2012 20:43 gwaihir wrote:
mlg will get horrible viewer counts....well played sundance, well played.....oh wait... NOT
Not only that, I guess they'll get alot of cancels of running MLG Memberships. I predict a pretty big business decision fail.
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Well, no money from me. And that has nothing to do with assembly being on the same weekend
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Assembly have Jinro, WhiteRA and Strelok, and it's free!
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Well would probably have preferred assembly over mlg anyway this just means ill only watch assembly. No way ill pay for MLG they are doing a much worse job than other comparable events like IEM, IPL and even NASL.
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