EPTBecause of the way the ladder is designed, a large portion of the playerbase is simply not good enough to learn how to stop losing to the same things over and over. For these people, there is no joy in laddering.
Nobody Plays 1v1 Ladder Anymore? - Page 58
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dementrio
678 Posts
Because of the way the ladder is designed, a large portion of the playerbase is simply not good enough to learn how to stop losing to the same things over and over. For these people, there is no joy in laddering. | ||
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Tulkas25
Greece292 Posts
On February 21 2012 02:33 Mafs wrote: As a zerg, I only expirence cheese on ladder. ZvZ is ling bane all in wars into mutalisk. ZvP is just forge fe into 2 star or some massive gateway push with or without robo push. ZvT is pretty standard but cheese is rare in this match up. TvT I can't imagine cheese occuring. Maybe 2 port banshee is cheese but gets destroyed. TvP rarely gets cheese BO unless its 1 base. If your T you rarely see cheese on ladder. Zergs all-in even if it is 2 base half the games i play on ladder.roach ling all-in bling,roach all in and all that jazz.Protoss all-ins from 1 base like a boss with a ton of variation early game and proxy gates even though rare are still around.We have our fair amount of cheese and all-ins to deal with !! | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
4 TvP: Got a-clicked all the time whether with 50 APM turtle or 50 APM cheese 6 TvZ: Lingvincibility 6 ZvZ: Cheese into cheese into cheese 3 ZvP: Got a-clicked all the time whether with 50 APM turtle or 50 APM cheese 1 ZvT: Poor Terran user, he should leave and not waste my time 3 PvT: 90% winrate, maybe I will start to play without hands 5 PvP: Oh my god please make it stop 2 PvZ: All-ined, bitch... take that. I start to like the patch politics based on a few players playing in a country far far away so that I can get into Master faster.  )))))User was warned for this post | ||
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MafiaCheese
United States87 Posts
A lot of people have been talking about "ladder anxiety" because the higher level players are very competitive and nobody likes to lose. When its all said and done, you cant worry about your winrate or let the losses get you down since the ladder is designed to put you against even opponents at a 50% winrate, just play and have fun! If a particular mu is stressing you out and you keep losing to the same strat over and over, watch the replays, look for the tell when scouting, do some research, improve your skill. This last post is ridiculous, if you keep losing to 50 APM protoss 1a then u must not understand how this game works. It seems like you have given up trying to learn how to win the matchup because you yourself cannot 1a and it shows when you describe how you play Pvx -.- | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
I don't think it'll ever truly die (until something external kills it, i.e., SC3, loss of Blizzard support for B.net 2.0 servers, patch implemented which makes game unplayable.) In it's current state SC2 seems like it's going to continue to be playable for a long time, with the best-of-the-best still being far, far better at it than the average user will ever reach. That's enough to keep it going for at least a while. Fun note on that, though, if say 8 years down the road the die-hards are still playing SC2 (and they/we very well may be) the leagues will automatically readjust themselves and today's Diamond may be tomorrow's Silver. "Wow, you're platinum league? You must be really good!" | ||
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justjoe09
United States27 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3561 Posts
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:07 VoO wrote: Oh my, laddering is so much fun if you are not Terran. Today I played: 4 TvP: Got a-clicked all the time whether with 50 APM turtle or 50 APM cheese 6 TvZ: Lingvincibility 6 ZvZ: Cheese into cheese into cheese 3 ZvP: Got a-clicked all the time whether with 50 APM turtle or 50 APM cheese 1 ZvT: Poor Terran user, he should leave and not waste my time 3 PvT: 90% winrate, maybe I will start to play without hands 5 PvP: Oh my god please make it stop 2 PvZ: All-ined, bitch... take that. I start to like the patch politics based on a few players playing in a country far far away so that I can get into Master faster. )))))all you managed to say there is that you enjoyed playing ladder for a little while. Good on you! Don't try and relate it to racial balance though, there are people who will come forward with the exact same stories as you for their other race switches. edit: also please don't turn this thread into balance discussion, it's not like we're seeing only 1-2 of the races leaving 1v1 ladder, it's actually staying a relatively balanced racial mix. Therefore, if switching races makes the game fun for you, do so, that other race my have the style you enjoy more. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2984 Posts
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Sgtmt
United States72 Posts
I haven't had as much time as i'd like to, so i'm scared I'm going to get my ass kicked. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
One base all in - From three rax, 1/1/1 to the SCV 5 marine proxy rax, every form was present. Fast expand player who become very confused when they are forced to take a third. They all seemed to wait mindlessly while a built up an unstoppable economy and rolled over them. The games took way to long for what they were. The zergs and protoss were fun, but I hate that most of my PvTs are either one base nonsense that is super effective against safe builds or players who have clearly never practiced their macro at all. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:17 UmiNotsuki wrote: After taking a break, I recently came back to laddering. I'm totally casual now (formerly a try-hard,) trying to enjoy the games rather than the winning. It actually seems to be resulting in me winning more... which is ironically now irrelevant to me. Either way, my point is I've started laddering LESS while still playing a few games here and there. It's a fun game, usually, but it's hard to stay motivated in. I don't think it'll ever truly die (until something external kills it, i.e., SC3, loss of Blizzard support for B.net 2.0 servers, patch implemented which makes game unplayable.) In it's current state SC2 seems like it's going to continue to be playable for a long time, with the best-of-the-best still being far, far better at it than the average user will ever reach. That's enough to keep it going for at least a while. Fun note on that, though, if say 8 years down the road the die-hards are still playing SC2 (and they/we very well may be) the leagues will automatically readjust themselves and today's Diamond may be tomorrow's Silver. "Wow, you're platinum league? You must be really good!" If youre playing ladder where its ranked youre like..kinda a tryhard by default arent you not that tryhard can really apply to sc2 but still | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On February 20 2012 17:21 honkeybeef wrote: Low master, played 15 games today, not 1 cheese. Back in diamond, 1/30 games cheese. SC is fun. America (Im American) has a lot of apathetic whiners and good for nothings that like life handed to them on a plate, I seriously don't know why half of the people in this thread play the game, are on TL, or post excuses why not to play a game (like not playing is a bad thing, gtfo or stfu)... TL is a place people come to grow and get better, not to whine about balance and "cheese". There is no cheese, just get better, its not the game its you that sucks. more gg more skill. this threads makes me weep and needs to die, like all the whining in it... Wow, you are single-handedly the most insensitive person I have ever seen. Ever hear about people with anxiety? BM (which there is TONS of) profoundly affects me. Not to mention your evidence is completely anecdotal. I don't cheese, but I get cheesed at least half of my games. | ||
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
On February 21 2012 02:37 dementrio wrote: Losing to something you know you shouldn't lose to is frustrating and hurts you deep inside. I'ts like making a bad call in poker, it makes you feel awful. Because of the way the ladder is designed, a large portion of the playerbase is simply not good enough to learn how to stop losing to the same things over and over. For these people, there is no joy in laddering. I have a problem related to this: I used to play around 1h a day. However, nowadays I don't have the time anymore. So whenever I got some time, I play far worse than a couple of weeks ago. Pieces just don't fall together like they used to, and that really frustrates me. I guess that falls into the "not enough time" category. | ||
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Elementy
United States183 Posts
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:46 Honeybadger wrote: Wow, you are single-handedly the most insensitive person I have ever seen. Ever hear about people with anxiety? BM (which there is TONS of) profoundly affects me. Not to mention your evidence is completely anecdotal. I don't cheese, but I get cheesed at least half of my games. But didn't you know that TL is also the place where people come to say how much better they are than you? If you are having problems with ladder anxiety, don't come to TL to get better. Its a website for stronger people that than. Seriously, that kid is a joke. Even LiquidJinro posted in this thread about how he dislikes all the stupid all-ins that are super effective even at the pro-level. A lot of a the enjoyment of a competive game is based on the competition. If the game is dominated by slightly brainless all-in(SC2 isn't, but there are a few good ones out there), then the game will not be fun. | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:17 justjoe09 wrote: I moved out of the country and it's ridiculous to pay for the game again, just to play on the EU server lag free You know that you could just as well have messaged Blizzard about moving out of the country and have them switch the game-region to EU? | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On February 21 2012 04:01 BGrael wrote: I have a problem related to this: I used to play around 1h a day. However, nowadays I don't have the time anymore. So whenever I got some time, I play far worse than a couple of weeks ago. Pieces just don't fall together like they used to, and that really frustrates me. I guess that falls into the "not enough time" category. I've had this problem for sure. I often can't play consistently, and the result is that if I haven't played for a week and a half its just quite a bit of rust to shake off. That means I lose a bunch in a row, then "get it back" just in time to climb back up to more or less where I was before and not have time to play for another couple of weeks. Extremely frustrating cycle. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
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