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Lots of reason why people droped from ladder
Number 1 reason - game is old, people move to the new shiny game.
Number 2 - Game is hard. The new generation of gamers are NOT used to work there ass off in a game. Everything is handed to them. This the main reason why broodwar retained allot of player in those days games where harder, its was normal, it was the norm.
I play Kingdom of Amalur atm, if i want to know where to go for a quest i just select that quest and it tell me exactly where to go, i dont have to read anything i just follow the dot. If it was a 10 years old game, i would have to read the quest text for sure and look around some, maybe talk to a few other npc to get more information. So, the mass is now used to easy games. hard games are hard! and people will leave and try something else indead of trying harder.
Number 3 - BattleNet is lonely
Social Aspect of gaming is now very important. Again before you played games alone, having a community was a plus. More game have social elements to them and people are used to this. I played a game called Tales of Maj'eyal, where is a global chat chanel. You cant actualy play this game with anyone, its a single player game only. Why there is a chat chanel at all!? well, its simple, its nice to talk about the game with other people who play it, thats all.
Number 4 - The Fear of Losing, this is tied to the game is hard point but it still deserve its own point. This is alien to me but i know its there. The way the ladder game work, you WILL LOSE half of your game no matter what, so why do you get scared so much about it. i dont know. I never understood people who where afraid to get killed in objective shooter because it would ... i dont know it baffle me. Same thing about the fear of losing, i can understand the HATE of losing, the fear not so much.
Tip to help for this : I stoped played for 2 and 3 season because i would get pissed too much sometime, hated the map pool and i was ragging, im not an angry person at all so it was wierd. I came back in season 4 with a goal, 5 win per day. I stopped being angry when i lost somehow, i didnt try to win every single game, i just tried to win 5 a day. Having this very simple goal help me deal with this so much, if i lost, it didnt matter anymore, i would win my 5 game eventually and il be happy about it.
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social aspect is a big deal, yes. for example, today i woke up, i was raging with desire to play sc, i logged on and than what...chat channels are half empty/people afk-ing, no one wants to play with some noob silver z in order to help him to improve...ok, let's go to custom game...create game, wait for 5 mins, no one shows up...repeat...allrighty than let's join some custom games...2 bunker rushes there...FUN FUN FUN (rebecca black style of fun). Didn't felt like laddering because i wanted to keep my rank (top 8 silver...i know it's sad, but i'm proud of it since i don't get to play much). So right now i'm faced with two options:
a)ignore my rank in next season and just ladder like a mad-man since it's hard to find someone to practice with custom games and improve and continue to get called noob, low-tard etc.
b)just forget about the game, play it only when i'm uber bored and watch streams...
that being said, does anyone know any chat channel in game that is active and where people are willing to play against lower league players? sc2improve is nice but its peak times are mostly when i'm unable to play...
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i actually stopped laddering in the end of season 3 i believe, once i have reached the master league.
and then i played a couple of games for fun in the first decade of january. since then i haven't played scii whatsoever.
it was getting boring with all the stale match-ups and unreasonable (in my opinion) patching policy. and the hots announcement was just beyond terrible.
so... i could play starcraft again if hots looks reasonable. but judging by what we've seen, i doubt that :D
some tournaments might be entertaining (if i have nothing to do  ), and sometimes i just want to relax moving a bunch of marines around, but not more than that. and it's probably not worth another 50 $ (and then another 50 $ in 2 years =))
so, the number of really lasting active players will decrease, it's natural. and blizz is contributing to it imo (or it could do more to keep us interested).
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On February 14 2012 21:18 Kotreb wrote:
social aspect is a big deal, yes. for example, today i woke up, i was raging with desire to play sc, i logged on and than what...chat channels are half empty/people afk-ing, no one wants to play with some noob silver z in order to help him to improve...ok, let's go to custom game...create game, wait for 5 mins, no one shows up...repeat...allrighty than let's join some custom games...2 bunker rushes there...FUN FUN FUN (rebecca black style of fun). Didn't felt like laddering because i wanted to keep my rank (top 8 silver...i know it's sad, but i'm proud of it since i don't get to play much). So right now i'm faced with two options:
a)ignore my rank in next season and just ladder like a mad-man since it's hard to find someone to practice with custom games and improve and continue to get called noob, low-tard etc.
b)just forget about the game, play it only when i'm uber bored and watch streams...
that being said, does anyone know any chat channel in game that is active and where people are willing to play against lower league players? sc2improve is nice but its peak times are mostly when i'm unable to play...
What server? There is a pretty new team called Team Emanations that accept all players, and even if you don't want to join a team there are plenty of people looking for games to play anyway. Chat channel is MN8, I've only been on US and SEA server so I don't know if there is an EU branch but I believe there is...
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Perhaps I can speak for myself... but my friends never really got into SC2 and I never had the competitive mood to start with. When the team games became all about rush strats (back in season 2), I stopped playing. No incentives really to keep me playing. Plus, maybe Ladder phobia? I wanted to get to Master and got into it. But then, they made Grand-Master. And realistically, I don't think I have the talents/time for that.
My friends seem to enjoy League of Legends more, so I've moved there. From a social point of view, it made more sense than playing alone at SC2
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On February 14 2012 21:35 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:18 Kotreb wrote:
social aspect is a big deal, yes. for example, today i woke up, i was raging with desire to play sc, i logged on and than what...chat channels are half empty/people afk-ing, no one wants to play with some noob silver z in order to help him to improve...ok, let's go to custom game...create game, wait for 5 mins, no one shows up...repeat...allrighty than let's join some custom games...2 bunker rushes there...FUN FUN FUN (rebecca black style of fun). Didn't felt like laddering because i wanted to keep my rank (top 8 silver...i know it's sad, but i'm proud of it since i don't get to play much). So right now i'm faced with two options:
a)ignore my rank in next season and just ladder like a mad-man since it's hard to find someone to practice with custom games and improve and continue to get called noob, low-tard etc.
b)just forget about the game, play it only when i'm uber bored and watch streams...
that being said, does anyone know any chat channel in game that is active and where people are willing to play against lower league players? sc2improve is nice but its peak times are mostly when i'm unable to play... What server? There is a pretty new team called Team Emanations that accept all players, and even if you don't want to join a team there are plenty of people looking for games to play anyway. Chat channel is MN8, I've only been on US and SEA server so I don't know if there is an EU branch but I believe there is...
EU server. thx, i'll check it out if there is one on it
oh and about the LoL thing... i used to play it for over a year, almost since the beginning , but the game itself seems kinda broken...every two weeks there's a new hero who is sooo OP or UP that's giving me a headache just by looking at it. And the community...i don't know which was worse...when the queue time was over 3 hours and lagged like shit, or when they divided EU server into two and all i got was some russian people refusing to speak a word of english and they would just flame (i do also apologize to normal russian and other players who try their best to communicate and work in group and whose name is put to shame by retarded minority) and by default you would lose.
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34 pages had everything I wanted to say , no need to repeat , I just hope blizzard is following this thread and reading it carefully , I quit sc2 a few seasons ago because franky (my opinion here) , I had way more fun playing Warcraft 3 : TFT , I am not talking about bnet or the UI , the game itself never got boring for me , for some reason I can't explain , Sc2 didn't have the same amount of fun , again this is my opinion .
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On February 14 2012 07:59 SeraKuDA wrote:
There's a great community outside of Battle.net 2.0, but when playing the game you feel too isolated. Nobody wants to just 1v1 ladder for a few hours without talking to anyone.
Well, call me nobody then. While I'm not against UI improvements (replays!), I don't need / want any chatting to go with my laddering. Maybe it's me, but I simply do not have the ressources to chat extensively when trying to game at my best
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On February 14 2012 22:06 Nozral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:59 SeraKuDA wrote:
There's a great community outside of Battle.net 2.0, but when playing the game you feel too isolated. Nobody wants to just 1v1 ladder for a few hours without talking to anyone. Well, call me nobody then. While I'm not against UI improvements (replays!), I don't need / want any chatting to go with my laddering. Maybe it's me, but I simply do not have the ressources to chat extensively when trying to game at my best
I agree when im 1v1 laddering i don't want to be chatting with people. SC2 is my competitive game, not my social game.
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I find it funny that a lot of people are complaining that ladder isn't any fun because in a majority of their games the opponent chooses to cheese/allin/whatever. If most of people really think that way, where do those people that allin/cheese in the majority of their games come from?
I'm a mid masters zerg player who's played since beta, and I don't think that ladder is infested with cheese/allin strategies. Most of my games go to mid/late game, and I'm enjoying most of my games. I had a slight "ladder phobia" as well, but got completely rid of it by just not taking games too seriously and focusing on improving my game instead of raging about opponent playing cheesy. It's all defendable if you're a better player.
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On February 14 2012 21:18 Kotreb wrote:
Didn't felt like laddering because i wanted to keep my rank (top 8 silver...i know it's sad, but i'm proud of it since i don't get to play much).
There is your problem. Truth: your rank means NOTHING unless you play frequently, and to mind when ppl on a forum call you a noob is just idk... sad? Play, own, get owned --> Fun.
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1.8mill to 700k That is a massive drop. Wonder how accurate everything is. Doesn't seem right.
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On February 14 2012 22:06 Nozral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:59 SeraKuDA wrote:
There's a great community outside of Battle.net 2.0, but when playing the game you feel too isolated. Nobody wants to just 1v1 ladder for a few hours without talking to anyone. Well, call me nobody then. While I'm not against UI improvements (replays!), I don't need / want any chatting to go with my laddering. Maybe it's me, but I simply do not have the ressources to chat extensively when trying to game at my best
You dont have to join chat channels or chat at all. But the option of doing so should be there. I myself can see fun occasioanly chatting in channels or playing customs and alot of ppl will do only that. Its important that you can choose (id choose ''lonely'' laddering most of time but still the choice is important)
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Ladder is the hell for Terrans, at least above platinum. I still play tournaments with Terran, but changed to Zerg to ladder. So incredible easy and saves a lot of nerves.
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Well I quit after season 1 for all the reasons stated ITT. The loneliness of Bnet2.0 is an issue. I moved on to DoW2 and they have more of the classic features. Custom games you can invite friends to and the Steam interface is just better at adding friends. I always get PMs asking to play and have far more friends on my list than in BNet, even though I was fairly active in the chat channels. DoW2 to me is more fun with no build order wins, better variation of races and better balance. Of course SC2 beats it in many aspects, but at the end of the day fun in actually playing is lacking with SC2. Looking back at Sc2 I can say it was just very frustrating.
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On February 14 2012 22:18 Nozral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:18 Kotreb wrote:
Didn't felt like laddering because i wanted to keep my rank (top 8 silver...i know it's sad, but i'm proud of it since i don't get to play much). There is your problem. Truth: your rank means NOTHING unless you play frequently, and to mind when ppl on a forum call you a noob is just idk... sad? Play, own, get owned --> Fun.
there is my problem for this season. I'ts my 3rd season so i wanted to keep it as a sense of improvement... i really don't care when people call me noob etc, it's theirs problem. the lack of fun comes from laddering... cheese/all in one after another... i don't mind losing in macro games, hell i even don't mind losing to this, i know it's my fault and nobody else's, but it's simply not fun...
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because its not that fun. its not a game on interesting tactics and battles. its a game of doing the same thing over and over and over without making any mistakes. if you make a mistake, your dead.
this leads most games beeing close at all.
for the game to be fun, you have to spent countless hours learning just how to build stuff right (some people call this macro). While this may be desirable for some people, for most it is not. Its like if you want to play chess, but while you are playing chess, you have to play a game of tetris at the same time. if you fuck up the tetris game, you loose the chess match as well. some people might consider something like that very challenging and fun. for most people its just annoying, because they just want to play chess (or an rts)
so it might be a niche for people with a lot of time and dedication. but for most gamers its just to hard to get into it
thats also one of the main reasons bw was/is even smaller, you have to play the game of tetris on a higher difficulty.
thats also the main reason bw was even smaller, the tetris game was on a harder difficulty.
and dont get me wrong. i like hard games (especially old school ones, Z yay) but in sc2 the tactics/strategys are not hard/difficult, its just really laborious to get in a position were you actually can do something like "strategy"
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On February 14 2012 23:51 Snotling wrote:
because its not that fun. its not a game on interesting tactics and battles. its a game of doing the same thing over and over and over without making any mistakes. if you make a mistake, your dead.
this is probably why you lose a lot, if you consider doing the same thing over and over again as (scouting) then I would agree with you. If you blindly make stuf over and over you will not enjoy this game and it isn't for you
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I still play 1v1s, usually everyday, but I can see why people would stop. My two negative points about it, I'm sure they've been touched on:
1) Treadmill feeling - no matter how much you improve you still lose half of your games. This is incredibly unintuitive to players from other games/genres. If I'm masters and my friend is silver, you'd say the skill difference is pretty high there, yet when we play ladder we lose the same amount. If we were Counterstrike players with these same skill levels, for example, and I said our global K/D was the same you wouldn't believe it: the better players have a chance to stand out in those games.
2) Punishing, no real way to re-do a mistake - I feel like this point is at the heart of all "cheese" posts and encompasses even more of the game, which is the fact that a simple mistake that happens in 2 seconds can easily cost you a game that you've been working on building up for some time. A long time ago someone compared their games to a painting, and how their end felt like they were just slopping paint all over it. Let's say I'm playing Call of Duty and a camper kills me from behind a bush. I'm annoyed for a second or two, but then I realize I'm going to respawn in 5 seconds and have another chance to kill him. In SC if I screw up my marine split a bit vs baneling bust (example), I don't get to try that again. I'll probably never see my opponent, hell maybe I won't even play anymore TvZ that day, much less on that same map. There is no revenge factor at all to cover up for frustration.
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On February 15 2012 00:25 Fusa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 23:51 Snotling wrote:
because its not that fun. its not a game on interesting tactics and battles. its a game of doing the same thing over and over and over without making any mistakes. if you make a mistake, your dead.
this is probably why you lose a lot, if you consider doing the same thing over and over again as (scouting) then I would agree with you. If you blindly make stuf over and over you will not enjoy this game and it isn't for you
Well, actually im at 56% wr atm. Some times i even scout :-) but that doesnt change very much: banelings? more tanks, banshees? Bulid a turret. Some all-in? Build a bunker. but thats 10% of what im doing, most of the time, i have a plan and follow it. And most of the time i just build scvs and supply depots^^. I play for about a week, then i get bored, and a few months later i play another week.
I didnt want to offend anybody, but thats the reason why most gamers stop to play sc2 after a while. I have litteraly a dozend real life friends who dont play sc2 because of it.
I have a demanding job, i do a demanding sport, I have a demanding gf. I dont need a demanding, stressfull game. i rather play some rpg for an hour or watch some stream or tournament
If you want that. and if you have a lot of fun with starcraft im happy for you :D
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