EPTNobody Plays 1v1 Ladder Anymore? - Page 10
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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MarineFTW
42 Posts
Actually, you need to constantly improve you skill in order to stay in your current league. The reason for this is the fact that leagues are not fixed by the skill level, but by the percentage of active players. According to Excalibur_z's comprehensive guide: Master: Top 2% of active players Diamond: Next 18% of active players Platinum: Next 20% of active players Gold: Next 20% of active players Silver: Next 20% of active players Bronze: Bottom 20% of active players So when the less skilled causal players (bronze-silver-gold) are quitting, plat-diamond-masters players are having hard time staying in their current league. In fact, I am in Gold league since season 2 (as Terran). Since that time my skill have improved greatly. In Season 2 I was mostly A-move 3-Raxing with no real plan what to do if the initial push at 7:30 fails. Now I can execute much more complicated builds, do drops/harass, play the long games. But that's still a Gold level nowadays. Yes, now I got matched against Plat players pretty often, but still not enough for promotion. I'm pretty much sure that when HoTS will come out, even with the existing skill level I would be Diamond: currently I'm high Gold, which means that about 45% of the active players are better than me. Assuming that HoTS would be at least as popular as WoL in Season 2 the ladder population would increase like ~5x from now, and most (say, 85%) of the new players will be less skilled than me. That would easily bring me to the top20% players = Diamond league. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Doz
United States145 Posts
My primary issue: It's boring. I typically won't play unless my cousin, my one irl friend that plays the game, is on TS for me to at least talk to. Without a sense of community while on Bnet, I seriously feel like an alcoholic, sitting home getting drunk by myself, wasting the day away. I was married last year and not only do I want to spend time with her, but she also expects me to spend time with her. I prefer gaming to TV because it engages my mind far more, and it's a chance to meet people from around the world. So when I get online in my precious free time, it's boring. I even joined a clan because there was no way else to meet people on Bnet. My clanmates are mostly all good people, but I haven't even been able to grow close to any of them because I just don't like to sit in TS chatrooms where 20 people are all shouting and trying to carry on 3 separate conversations at once. There's nothing on bnet that makes me want to stay online other than my own desire to become a better player, but again with my limited time to play, I'm running out of that as well. Beyond that, I do have a mild case of anxiety from losing. Nothing serious, it gets better the more consistently play. But if I lose 5 straight and there's no one online to gripe to briefly or even take a break with, I'm hopping offline. Fix BNET! *Edit: Oh, I also feel vilified for playing Terran. I was Diamond since S1 when in August/Sept of last year I started having a lot of difficulties esp. vs Zerg. I'm tired of winning games and being chastised for using the most "overpowered" race in the game while at my skill level (Plat/Diamond) on the NA server roughly 67% of players use zerg. I'm all for the game being balanced around pro level play, and I firmly believe Terran offers the greatest rewards for skill, but at my level of skill it's frustrating that game changes I can't yet take advantage of cause me so damn much difficulty in even holding my own. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:29 Artok wrote: zvz,zvz,zvz, 2 base all in, 2 base all in, zvz, zvz, 2 base all in, zvz. Nothing else ;/ yes, this is largely how i find ladder to be and all of those zvzs will be on taldarim altar, of course | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On February 14 2012 00:30 joeschmo wrote: I quit cause of Protoss I quit because ZvZ is not that interesting to play ZvP is just broken and stupid mu....always has been. Either 2base all ins (which they don't consider all ins ofc!) or deathballs which you can't beat on most maps. ZvT is awesome...if i could i would play only ZvT. However, i have to say that bunker rushes or similar gimicks that terran can do and outright win the game, while if they don't work, they just end up a bit behind or even...just kill my soul as well  | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:39 Gotmog wrote: I quit because ZvZ is not that interesting to play ZvP is just broken and stupid mu....always has been. Either 2base all ins (which they don't consider all ins ofc!) or deathballs which you can't beat on most maps. ZvT is awesome...if i could i would play only ZvT. However, i have to say that bunker rushes or similar gimicks that terran can do and outright win the game, while if they don't work, they just end up a bit behind or even...just kill my soul as well Z balancewhines make me stop to play occasionally | ||
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BlindSight754
Canada156 Posts
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
WHY DO YOU HAVE LADDER FEAR? It's just a game, more gg more skill, you can't improve if you don't play, nobody cares if you lose except you and finally; it's just a game. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
What did it for me was the lack of a real ladder and the absolutely horrible experience that is the new battle.net When I wan't to play som UMS, i start up WC3 instead of SC, yeah... | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
Anyway as more of the casuals get weeded out, the game quality from each player will improve. Somebody that is diamond now would have been mid/high masters a couple seasons ago. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:42 BlindSight754 wrote: I think its because of the BM. Its totally unwelcoming to any new player. You get BM'd if you win and BM'd if you lose. Whats worse than feeling shitty because you lost and some ass is rubbing it in your face? A lot of people who play this game have terrible personalities. You cant grow a game when people who are just starting out are thrown in the mud. In tennis does the other player yell and cuss at you when you win or lose? No, and if they do they get disciplined. LoL's players are a hundred times worse and it has a lot more players. It can't be just that. | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
- Race or Races - Map or set of maps - League - Point range Basically it would just be find custom game on steroids that looked for opponents that fit the criterea who were looking for someone like you. I dont know if it would increase ladder play, but I'd bet it would increase the number of people playing SC2. Maybe it could require some ladder games to be played every so often to avoid staleness on your league/points. | ||
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Mirosuu
England283 Posts
Everyone whines about cheese, or all-in's and really, they just don't like to lose games. I lose games a lot, yeah sure. But I love to be able to improve, and work on parts of my game. It's exciting to see those improvements turn into wins over strategies you have had trouble with in the past. I just don't understand how it can be as "boring" as people think. Maybe if you're grinding out like 350 games per ladder season and stuck in the same league, I think you have more problems than boredom about StarCraft. IdrA, as much as people hate him, has a perfect quote for this situation that mentions about people not having the drive to work at the things they enjoy, even worse if it is something that they hate. Some people just want the easy mode button that games like Call Of Duty, or LoL helped them grow to rely on. That said, I don't play a lot at the moment, because I'm in my final year of a CS degree aiming for the top classification, so my workload is astronomical. I tend to play a bunch of customs against my friend, and even then, I get smashed, game after game, and I come back for more. This is because I WANT to get better, regardless of any BS that happened in game. I just wish people would realise that the BS is just something you have to expect, and need to get over, if you want to get higher on the ladder. I enjoy the smaller, but more dedicated community to getting better. My reasoning is that the people who are on ladder (from my ladder experience) are people who aren't here to ride the coat-tails of some broken all-in build to success and would much rather just macro and play standard to win games. The sad thing I've got out of all this thread is that people need to be given some visible carrot they need to chase, in order to actually play the game. The game is, what the game is. Yeah sure it needs some improvements on UI, game play and other areas, but for me, I'm quite satisfied with it. I don't need no pat on the back for me to keep playing the game. If I enjoy the game as is, I will keep playing. It's as simple as that. If you need carrots to keep playing games, you should be considering taking a time out from playing and come back when a new meta game comes around. Sorry for the long post. >_< I just had a lot to say on the subject. | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
For you guys (those who have been playing StarCraft for a decade), the question you should be asking is whether or not StarCraft II is good enough. And I'd be hard-pressed to say many people coming from Brood War think Wings of Liberty is better than Brood War, and anybody coming over from Warcraft III thinks Wings of Liberty is better than Warcraft III. (Note the use of "Wings of Liberty". There's still the chance that Heart of the Swarm or Legacy of the Void does for StarCraft II what The Frozen Throne did for Warcraft III...though I doubt it. I can't see Blizzard investing the amount of effort in those expansion packs that could go to making sure Diablo III and Titan are the greatest casinos in the history of commercial video games.) There's probably a couple of stragglers and dissenting opinions to what I said, but based on what I've seen on this forum and other such sites, they surely aren't the majority. | ||
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Arghnews
United Kingdom169 Posts
Losing is frustrating Losing to all in's or cheese such as 6 pools is even more annoying. You need to play a lot to be consistent. The social side of ladder is completely non-existent. All of this really makes it a pretty horrid place to try and enjoy yourself through improvement :D God knows why we all do it! | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Cant see your mmr or even the number of losses. The devisions and ladder itself feel pointless when you see that rank 20 has like played only 4 games, only first 10 people in a league realy play, from place 30 on people hardly have games. Still love sc and playing lots, only playing teamgames though (4x4) on ladder wich i somehow find alot more interesting and fun they never the same except for the 6pool/zealots/marine rushes but even that is fun when you somehow defend and then win. also: this game is to difficult for the average gamer. You need to put time and effort in it to be able to play at least at a decent level and the vast majority of the people is not even playing the game, they are still practising on getting down the mechanics basicly, no room for interesting strategies and tactics when all attention is needed to get units on the field. they should realy change the ladder, the way they tried to keep people playing by letting everyone make a promotion after a few months is impossible to keep up, you cant keep introducing new leagues and people do get stuck at their personal skill ceiling. Maybe get rid of the whole devission system and replace it by a different system, with only mmr People then can get custom games by searching wich affects their mmr-elo. | ||
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