• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:22
CEST 01:22
KST 08:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)8[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th156Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? RSL S6 finale at Blizzcon Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is effort ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11222 users

Music copyright issue. Are streamers immune to it? - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 16 17 18 Next All
Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
February 13 2012 03:36 GMT
#61
people got their nose too far into lawbooks to see that its great advertisement for the artists
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/246845/1/Hemligt/
Sisko
Profile Joined May 2010
United States121 Posts
February 13 2012 03:39 GMT
#62
On February 13 2012 12:35 Wroshe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 12:26 Sisko wrote:
Would a streamer be able to use one of these to stream music legally?


http://help.pandora.com/customer/portal/topics/96127-pandora-for-your-business/articles

You might be able to do that you won't like the price tag. I'll be highly surprised if it isn't a lot more expensive then your ad revenue.

I am sure streamers could cut some kind of deal with them if this became a way to stream with music, and music in your VODs no less, without the knowledge that eventually it would all get pulled down by the cops.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
February 13 2012 03:39 GMT
#63
It's probably illegal, but it shouldn't be so I'm going to keep doing it anyways.
Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
February 13 2012 03:40 GMT
#64
So is there a way to broadcast in game sounds and not the background music?

I have a question...
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
February 13 2012 03:41 GMT
#65
On February 13 2012 12:36 Hemling wrote:
people got their nose too far into lawbooks to see that its great advertisement for the artists


So is the radio but guess what, they have to pay royalties anyway.

Would strongly suggest that those without legal knowledge stick to the moral/ethical part of the discussion and don't venture into an area where they could potentially misinform streamers (not aimed at you, just in general)
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
hZCube
Profile Joined February 2012
87 Posts
February 13 2012 03:41 GMT
#66
In the UK, there is a central body that is responsible for music licensing (www.prsformusic.com) - and they provide licenses for businesses that would like to play music that can be heard by the public (even specifically for online). Bars, clubs etc are all licensed by the PRS - but even private businesses need licensing if they want to play music even in their office. I know as we have to buy a license for use in a software development environment.

I can't speak directly for US laws, but I presume the system is similar the world over.

The most likely situation would be twitch, own3d etc negotiating a license directly with those national bodies. Likely some countries wouldn't be able to receive certain streams (where they couldn't obtain a valid license), and it would suck some money out of the revenues of these companies (and presumably at the detriment of the streamer too).

Who knows, this deal might already be in place - does anyone have any concrete evidence of any streamer being sued so far? Licensing seems like the sort of thing you'd consider when running these sort of sites, hopefully!

Ultimately though, in answer to the OP, if they have no license it's illegal.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 13 2012 03:42 GMT
#67
Yes, it's clearly illegal and wrong. Twitch doesn't really enforce it because they haven't been taken to court yet, but when they inevitably are they'll start.

It's the same thing that happened with Youtube, except YT is huge so they were able to establish a royalty program.
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
February 13 2012 03:42 GMT
#68
This isn't directly related the the OP's question, but it involves copyrighted music. How did NASL2 get all that music for their intros? Did they pay any licensing fees, or did they simply illegally play it? I know MLG has said multiple times they won't play copyrighted music due the the huge fees that they would have to pay to do so legally.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 03:51:59
February 13 2012 03:50 GMT
#69
On February 13 2012 12:39 Sisko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 12:35 Wroshe wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:26 Sisko wrote:
Would a streamer be able to use one of these to stream music legally?


http://help.pandora.com/customer/portal/topics/96127-pandora-for-your-business/articles

You might be able to do that you won't like the price tag. I'll be highly surprised if it isn't a lot more expensive then your ad revenue.

I am sure streamers could cut some kind of deal with them if this became a way to stream with music, and music in your VODs no less, without the knowledge that eventually it would all get pulled down by the cops.

I doubt that. With record labels sueing Grooveshark (Source) it makes me think that they are not going to make a deal with Twitch/Own3d while they at the same time sue Grooveshark. (Who I believe are paying them).

As to paying for rights: I just realized that if you want to stream music you'll want to either get permission of bands to run their music. (Possibly with obscure bands, with anything sort of mainstream you can forget about that) or buy permission to either Royalty Free music or to triple A music.

Royalty Free music will be a hell of a lot cheaper but you'll be stuck with obscure music. Triple A music obviously gives you the music you want but will cost you a fortune.

On February 13 2012 12:42 Clank wrote:
This isn't directly related the the OP's question, but it involves copyrighted music. How did NASL2 get all that music for their intros? Did they pay any licensing fees, or did they simply illegally play it? I know MLG has said multiple times they won't play copyrighted music due the the huge fees that they would have to pay to do so legally.

Obviously I have no insider information but I am going to guess that NASL paid them. They are too big to just wing it and hope that they will not be found.

Assuming they did pay for it I do feel that they do misspend their money as I can think of a lot of things that should be more important then intro tunes for players.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 13 2012 03:53 GMT
#70
I don't really understand this anyway. I'd much rather all the streams had nothing but game sounds on, so I can play whatever music I want. I watch the streams to see SC, not to listen to someone else's music tastes.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 13 2012 03:56 GMT
#71
soon only fan made music can be heard, or computer tracks or not so mainstream music. The result will be we are less exposed to main stream music and less interesting in it, at the end they will sell less then before, but they can be happy, they don't lose as much to pirates anymore haha.
To be honest, i bought most of my cds after i listened to one or two songs somewhere that i liked. Music anywhere on the net won't stop hooked fans to buy it, same as blocked music won't stop it from being pirated. So imo they lose alot by trying to remove their music from the world. If you have no idea it exists, you won't buy it.

But one thing is true, you should not make money with things other people have made. So playing music is fine, unless you make commercials to gain money. Playing a game is also fine in my eyes, as its something you use to create something.
But the music industry doesn't even care if people don't make money with it, i think they went a bit delusional on their way. I don't really mind though with the mainstream crap being blocked everywhere, you find real gems way more easily. So let them cut into their own flesh. But that shouldn't mean you are free to use their stuff to buff up things to make money.
In the end i would say constant music stream kinda attracts more people ... so you could argue about that. But music during breaktime where nothing happens is okay imo (when commercials aren't run that is).
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
February 13 2012 03:57 GMT
#72
it's not fair use, but no one will go after them... for now.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
February 13 2012 03:59 GMT
#73
On February 13 2012 10:07 Wroshe wrote:
It is not legal in any way shape or form. Whether you use your own MP3's or Pandora/Grooveshark makes no difference at all. Using Grooveshark gives you a license for you to listen to it, not for you to broadcast it to hundreds of viewers.

Only reason we haven't had lawyars up our ass is because we are a small fish to fry but that won't last. Edit: According to FXOBoss the lawyers are starting to wake up. They'll likely go after Twitch and Own3d instead of individual users though.

TLDR: Only run music you have permission to run or if you don't then don't stream said music.


Yep. Much like open-mic scenes, the music industry targets bars and coffee shops that don't pay ASCAP or BMI while allowing performers to cover songs. They likely won't fine the musician/streamer. They will go after the space (bar/Twitch, etc.) that allows it.
Mercurial#1193
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 13 2012 04:01 GMT
#74
On February 13 2012 12:53 sitromit wrote:
I don't really understand this anyway. I'd much rather all the streams had nothing but game sounds on, so I can play whatever music I want. I watch the streams to see SC, not to listen to someone else's music tastes.

I completly agree with that. I prefer to watch a commentated stream as that's just a lot more educational but if that's not possible (for whatever reason) I prefer game sounds (without game music) over non-game music. I'll play the music I like instead of your K-Pop, Trance or Rap.
sparC
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
February 13 2012 04:02 GMT
#75
copyright is not about protection, it's about milking more $. it has been this way, and always will be.
and it's a shame that is has gone that far in my opinion.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
February 13 2012 04:04 GMT
#76
I know it won't end like this, but honestly it's probably a good thing for most artists. Imagine if Pearl Jam came out and said they were big fans of inControl and didn't mind him streaming their music as more people are getting exposed to it. I don't think they're really losing any money by having it streamed, nobody goes to a stream to hear the music but a lot of people myself included have probably bought music or became a fan because it was being streamed.

The only problem I can see is somebody starting a twitch.tv radio station to try and get away without having to pay any royalties but in it's current format I see it as nothing but beneficial for record labels.
Live hard, live free.
Maetl
Profile Joined August 2010
United States93 Posts
February 13 2012 04:22 GMT
#77
On February 13 2012 13:04 Filter wrote:
I know it won't end like this, but honestly it's probably a good thing for most artists. Imagine if Pearl Jam came out and said they were big fans of inControl and didn't mind him streaming their music as more people are getting exposed to it. I don't think they're really losing any money by having it streamed, nobody goes to a stream to hear the music but a lot of people myself included have probably bought music or became a fan because it was being streamed.

The only problem I can see is somebody starting a twitch.tv radio station to try and get away without having to pay any royalties but in it's current format I see it as nothing but beneficial for record labels.

What's good for the artist has little to do with copyright law.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 13 2012 04:34 GMT
#78
The artists don't give a crap about music piracy and illegal streaming because they see almost no music sales in the first place, because all the labels abuse their accounting practices and contract terms to avoid paying anyone a dime.

It's the labels that care, because that's where they're milking all their profits from.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Corran
Profile Joined April 2010
United States83 Posts
February 13 2012 04:34 GMT
#79
On February 13 2012 12:40 Drmooose wrote:
So is there a way to broadcast in game sounds and not the background music?


Tyler does it. He often streams and has it so the viewers dont hear his music. So it is possible. Not sure if it requires a 2nd sound card or something though...
Shake n Bake
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
February 13 2012 04:34 GMT
#80
On February 13 2012 12:42 Clank wrote:
This isn't directly related the the OP's question, but it involves copyrighted music. How did NASL2 get all that music for their intros? Did they pay any licensing fees, or did they simply illegally play it? I know MLG has said multiple times they won't play copyrighted music due the the huge fees that they would have to pay to do so legally.


NASL get all their music from Temp0 and some ents company if memory serves. Getting cheap, good music is easy if you have the right contacts and its not from a major label. However if you wanted to use Foo Fighters, you would probably have to pay their label a butt ton of money for the privilege, unless they own their own masters, in which case you could go to them directly.

Music copyright is pretty simple, you can either get permission directly from the owner (usually a label for major artists) or you can go to a company like grooveshark who can do you a deal or finally you can go to PRS (or the equivalent in your country) and pay a license directly.

Some music falls under public use but its not very much. Technically every time you hear someone being sung Happy Birthday in a public place the people can be sued as someone owns the copyright (it was Michael Jackson at one point). Every 75 years the copyright for a song becomes available and anyone who has the right knowledge and money can buy it, if you have serious money, like Michael Jackson, you can buy the entire Beatles songbook (which MJ did) and then make fuck tonnes in royalties for work that isn't even yours.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 16 17 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
19:00
Group Stage - Day 2
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
ZZZero.O261
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 242
ProTech93
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1956
ZZZero.O 261
Dota 2
monkeys_forever580
NeuroSwarm91
League of Legends
Doublelift7813
JimRising 602
Other Games
summit1g17374
C9.Mang0449
Mew2King66
JuggernautJason56
Temp015
Maynarde6
minikerr3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1146
BasetradeTV151
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta93
• Hupsaiya 86
• musti20045 32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21604
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
11h 39m
OSC
1d
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.