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On January 26 2012 06:21 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 06:17 The Final Boss wrote:On January 26 2012 06:05 Condor Hero wrote:On January 26 2012 05:45 RogerChillingworth wrote:On January 26 2012 05:10 Condor Hero wrote:On January 26 2012 05:07 RogerChillingworth wrote:On January 26 2012 03:38 Condor Hero wrote:On January 26 2012 03:08 mTwTT1 wrote:
phoenix's deal splash damage to air units. bam problem fixed I think it would be a good idea to give Phoenix an upgrade that allows splash instead of a slow ass capital ship I would never build because if I had that much money/time I would just add more templar. \ Do you understand how much splash protoss already has? Phoenix having splash would be the 4th unit, and one that can move-shoot in a way other units cannot. Protoss doesn't need more splash damage -_-- I know it can seem difficult to grasp from a protoss perspective, but the minute zerg has a unit to control the map, it's ''overpowered''. don't even have lurkers in the game. Also, no one wants to face a protoss in the GSL. There's a reason for that. Fine then make Protoss units cost 50% of what they cost now and nobody needs to splash. Who doesn't want to face P in GSL? You clearly didn't watch the Code S Ro16 group nominations. No one wants to face toss right now. You're right I didn't watch group nominations, I watch the actual games. Then you clearly don't have the information to formulate an argument, while the other person does. What? How does watching the nominations mean he can make an argument... the results of the games is what matters... People always claim other races are stronger and that they feel weak etc. The main point is which race actually wins. so imo what players said during the nominations means jack shit the games are the important thing to base an argument off of. So the guy watching the games imo has more information to form an argument then the guy watching the nominations....
We were talking about whether or not the players in GSL felt confident/wanted to play Protoss players. Read. The. Quotes. Before. You. Post.
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If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue.
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On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue.
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No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much.
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On January 26 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue. =.= No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much.
it's a player pool issue, and in the past a tournament structure issue with the GSL (should be fixed now.) The top korean terrans are just better than the top korean protoss players - that's always been the real "balance" issue in that region.
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On January 26 2012 10:48 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue. =.= No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much. it's a player pool issue, and in the past a tournament structure issue with the GSL (should be fixed now.) The top korean terrans are just better than the top korean protoss players - that's always been the real "balance" issue in that region.
and all orc players are better than those that play undead
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On January 26 2012 10:57 tpmraven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:48 Quotidian wrote:On January 26 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue. =.= No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much. it's a player pool issue, and in the past a tournament structure issue with the GSL (should be fixed now.) The top korean terrans are just better than the top korean protoss players - that's always been the real "balance" issue in that region. and all orc players are better than those that play undead
how is this even relevant? Completely different game
and it's not like terran is dominating outside of Korea.. maybe protoss players should start directing their rage towards zerg instead.
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On January 26 2012 11:02 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:57 tpmraven wrote:On January 26 2012 10:48 Quotidian wrote:On January 26 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue. =.= No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much. it's a player pool issue, and in the past a tournament structure issue with the GSL (should be fixed now.) The top korean terrans are just better than the top korean protoss players - that's always been the real "balance" issue in that region. and all orc players are better than those that play undead how is this even relevant? Completely different game and it's not like terran is dominating outside of Korea.. maybe protoss players should start directing their rage towards zerg instead.
Terrans aren't even dominating in Korea anymore. But they used to be, and that has had an impact. Even if the races are completely balanced now, balance has still affected our perceptions of every player. For example, many terran players may have been placed on pedestals far higher than they should have been. We have heard of so many more terran players than those of other races, because terrans ran so rampant during the early days of the game. There are so many more terran players that a person can name as strong players, just because of this fact. When someone asks where are the zerg and protoss players that should be replacing terrans in Code S and Code A, you have to realize that many haven't had enough of a chance to become known yet. Those obscure names you hear once in a blue moon could have been household names in another dimension where another race had such a headstart.
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On January 26 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:26 Quotidian wrote:
If blizzard attempts to balance the game so that more protoss players win tournaments specifically -- well I wouldn't know what to think anymore at that point. Protoss really does not need any more "general buffs." If the winrates are fine everywhere else, except in the GSL, chances are it's not a balance issue, but a player issue. =.= No. See arguments for the past 7 months. GSL balance is the balance to be concerned with. Not foreigner tournaments where low apm players can't accomplish much.
likelikelike!! who wins? terran terran terran  toss is doing pretty well this gsl though so hopefully anuther toss will win
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LOL most of these questions are about protoss being underpowered and most pros are now saying that protoss is OP.
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Terran Can’t Beat Protoss
Ghost EMP is Too Weak
Forge Fast Expand is Difficult to Stop as Zerg
I laughed at all three of these.
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Some stuff that didn't get addressed and should have been:
- Blizzard maps still suck (no depo on low ground, gold expansions, generally bad layout... )
- Bad scouting early game (many coinflip openings)
- Fights are over too quickly (terrible damage syndrome, blob armys)
And generally speaking mechanics do not get rewarded as high as they should be. It's unacceptable seeing pros constantly getting killed in the first 5 minutes of a game due to random luck or players in GM turtleing on 3 bases and doing one big push with their deathball hoping for the best.
Those are just my 2 cents on matters that imo haven't been resolved since release.
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i dont understand the people crying out muta op. If its op why do we not see muta every pro game? Or even every game on certain maps? honestly.
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I don't know who watched the code s group selections, but all of the zerg players were trying to avoid protoss because they said they can't figure out how to win anymore (nestea specifically). Discussion of a protoss buff at this point, when protoss has been doing perfectly fine recently, scares me.
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A lot of these topics are sort of stupid, the SC2 team should seriously question their sources of feedback, I understand they want to cater to everyone not just competitive players, but surely there are much more appropriate issues to discuss than "Terran Can’t Beat Protoss".
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On January 26 2012 12:35 TheAntZ wrote:
i dont understand the people crying out muta op. If its op why do we not see muta every pro game? Or even every game on certain maps? honestly.
To be fair, in the past 4 GSL tournaments (when only looking at Code S games) there have been about 20 PvZs.
Did you watch Dimaga vs AdelScott on Shakuras during the recent HomeStory Cup? All Dimaga did was make mutas and more mutas, while AdelScott went for a Stalker/Phoenix army composition. Personally I don't agree with the choice of going for Phoenix's against Muta play but that's besides the point.
Another game to consider would be Hero vs CrazingMoving's Code A game last season. CrazingMoving gained a huge advantage against Hero using a Muta-centered playstyle but failed to transition out of it after he had a large enough advantage.
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its nice to see that the carrier removal actually isnt permanent, I really want them to keep it in
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Nice to see David Kim even acknowledges how terran is harder at low levels.
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lol at battle helions coming out of factory then making them into helions vs zerg, knowing blizzard its gonna probably take 3sec to make battle helion into normal one. Whats next tank comes out in pieces and terrans have to contruct it via mini game inside sc2?
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On January 26 2012 14:36 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
lol at battle helions coming out of factory then making them into helions vs zerg, knowing blizzard its gonna probably take 3sec to make battle helion into normal one. Whats next tank comes out in pieces and terrans have to contruct it via mini game inside sc2?
Better yet, you have to go around and find pieces of the tank on the map and then bring it back to the factory to assemble it.
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"Ghost EMP is too weak"
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