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Questions from the Community - David Kim

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SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
January 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#1
I noticed this as I logged into B.net; it's a blog by David Kim answering some questions about some current hot topics in SC2.

The topics he discusses are:

  • Mass Mutalisks vs. Protoss
  • Protoss Win Rate is Too Low in Tournaments
  • Carrier Removal in Heart of the Swarm
  • Terran Can’t Beat Protoss
  • Ghost EMP is Too Weak
  • Forge Fast Expand is Difficult to Stop as Zerg
  • Nydus Worm is Too Inconsistent — Make It More Like the Overlord Transport


Here's the intro and a link to the blog:

+ Show Spoiler [Intro] +
I recently took an opportunity to share some of the feedback I received from pro players at the G Star event in Korea via a Q & A, and I was interested to see your reactions to that discussion in the blog comments and on the forum. I noticed that some players were worried that we don’t take the community’s feedback into account, and that we only listen to pro players. While we base our balance decisions on many different factors, including pro player feedback, internal testing, tournament play and more, our player community remains a vital source of feedback about StarCraft II. Every week we comb various forums and sites to get a feel for what our players are experiencing, and I thought I’d comment on some of the concerns we’ve seen appear in the community recently.


http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3599263/Questions_from_the_Community_-25_01_2012#blog

I thought it was pretty interesting, and it answers some of the questions I would've liked to ask him myself. Enjoy. :D
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straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
January 25 2012 17:52 GMT
#2
sweet, thanks!
-stOpSKY-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada498 Posts
January 25 2012 17:53 GMT
#3
I wouldnt mind seeing some sort of change to muta in pvz. Its very hard to move out or take a third/fourth once zerg is sitting on a mass number of muta on 3-4 bases.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
January 25 2012 17:53 GMT
#4
I was about to his "Post Message", but then I refreshed SC2 general and saw this already posted.

Nice thread and Q&A. It's inspiring to say the least .
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 17:58:49
January 25 2012 17:55 GMT
#5
Some of the replies are pretty hilarious.

It is the battle.net forums after all, I guess.

Edit: as far as the article itself goes, it reassures me that they are keeping in contact with the community. Something I've been interested to know for quite some time is how much they look at TL, compared to other forums and especially Battle.net. Of course, for lower league complaining you'd typically go straight for Battle.net, because that kind of thing is frowned upon here, but I wonder if some unlucky bloke is given the task of trawling through the Balance Discussion Thread and the LR threads every so often.

No answers reek of genius, but all of them seem sensible. I'm happy with it
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 25 2012 17:55 GMT
#6
Some interessing thought from Kim.
It's still pretty much " blabla we can't do a lot right now, wait for HotS " but it has some meaning behind it. Not like when Browder talk.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 25 2012 17:55 GMT
#7
what he said about changing the phx to better counter the muta gives me some hope! thx TC
naniwa fighting!!!
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
January 25 2012 17:56 GMT
#8
Glad to see he actually acknowledged there might be changes before HOTS.
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
January 25 2012 17:57 GMT
#9
If it was such a drastic change, wouldn't they just wait for HotS?

Maybe this means HotS is still far away...
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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
January 25 2012 17:57 GMT
#10
glad they are aware of Mutas in PvZ but can't believe there are complaints about emp being too weak
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
January 25 2012 17:59 GMT
#11
"Ghost EMP is Too Weak"
Cant believe that this is true, especially at tvp. I saw in every tournament terran always snacked protoss if they used emp very well.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
January 25 2012 18:00 GMT
#12
i knew terran was weakest race below pro level=D finally someone with credit says that
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 18:02:48
January 25 2012 18:01 GMT
#13
On January 26 2012 02:57 .kv wrote:
glad they are aware of Mutas in PvZ but can't believe there are complaints about emp being too weak


That's how I feel on players saying protoss is to weak.

Honestly game balance wise I think the games pretty good. Was an interesting read but not really much was addressed. Sounds like they are probably just going to wait for HOTS for any major changes again.

On January 26 2012 03:00 sotaporo wrote:
i knew terran was weakest race below pro level=D finally someone with credit says that


They are "weakest" at lower levels because lower level players can't play terran that great. Its not a balance problem its a skill problem.
When I think of something else, something will go here
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
January 25 2012 18:02 GMT
#14
I like that there's been enough of an outcry to warrant a response on removing the Carrier. Gives me hope that they're still trying to work on it internally, even if it does end up going through a design change.
Taengoo ♥
Treehead
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
999 Posts
January 25 2012 18:05 GMT
#15
The top level of play in SC2 is certainly a testament to how quickly the human mind can learn to think and adapt in new and abstract environments - which I've always thought is inspiring. Then, I see comments like these:

•Protoss Win Rate is Too Low in Tournaments

•Terran Can’t Beat Protoss

•Forge Fast Expand is Difficult to Stop as Zerg

The fact that these three are all "hot topics" - and mutually exclusive - is a testament to just how idiotic the human mind can be in large groups. I suppose you take the good with the bad, eh?
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
January 25 2012 18:06 GMT
#16
On January 26 2012 03:01 blade55555 wrote:
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On January 26 2012 02:57 .kv wrote:
glad they are aware of Mutas in PvZ but can't believe there are complaints about emp being too weak


That's how I feel on players saying protoss is to weak.

Honestly game balance wise I think the games pretty good. Was an interesting read but not really much was addressed. Sounds like they are probably just going to wait for HOTS for any major changes again.


I get the feeling that question is more a leftover from a couple of months ago. Like, a couple of months ago Protoss looked almost unplayable in Code S. Since a couple of buffs, The Protoss President coming out of his slump and play becoming more refined in general Protoss seems to be making a recurrence and at the moment, I absolutely agree. Outside of ZvP now and again, Protoss doesn't have any issues at all.

Again, I reckon that he was replying to questions that were asked a while ago, or maybe the leftovers of that whine.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#17
somehow it baffles me how blizzard is ignoring the utter domination of terran at the highest skill level, especially korea which is what an esports game should be balanced around

everyone is joking about it, everyone knows it, even koreans joke all the time about it, yet the only glimmer of community interaction by blizzard talks about carriers, nydus worms and ghosts being too weak

what needs to happen, more than 20 terrans in code s?
Antares_
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland269 Posts
January 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#18
Pretty cool. If they are not intending on changing anything, because HotS is coming soon, the "soon" is sooner that many people expect
Also, I think it would be quite hard to buff Terran on lower level without making him OP on the higher level. The same about Protoss, I can't see nerfing it on the higher level, while nerfing on lower. Even though, buffing Phoenix would be quite a good idea, as it is underused in every matchup, in my opinion.
If you make no mistake, yet still lose - you don't understand the game. Spiral out, keep going.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
January 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#19
If the Carrier stays in HotS i might just let out a battle cry that will be heard across oceans!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 18:08:09
January 25 2012 18:08 GMT
#20
phoenix's deal splash damage to air units. bam problem fixed
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
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