EPTCarmac responds to IEM Criticism: "Bring on the pitchforks…
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BradenKuntz
Canada59 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Glad that Naniwa didn't lose his temper, and kept going and won his group. Hope to see more good games. Sounds like they did their best to ensure no more problems for the rest of the tournament as well. New computers set up with only SC2, getting assurances from the internets that its not a connection problem, yeah. | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On January 20 2012 23:09 Xalorian wrote: Next time, maybe hiring some real network technician could be cool? Someone that could monitor the venue and would know exactly what is happening right off the bat? "There is issue between the router of the venue and the ISP" -> ISP is having some problem, nothing much you can do. You could just post-pone the event in that case, calling the ISP and telling them that you know that something is happening and asking them when i will be fixed. "There is some issue between the computers and the router" -> Some router/switches/cables issues. "Actually no connectivity issues on the network" -> Computers related issues. And seriously, it's not that hard. There is like 20 free and open source monitoring softwares on the net. Set a Ubuntu computer in the venue, directly on the main switch. Download nagios and set it up, add the switches, the router, the computers. Monitor the the bandwith and do some ping test between computers, switches and the router at all time and set an alert to send your IT an email when something is going wrong... This way, if there is lag/connectivity issues/packet loss, you will know EXACTLY what is happening instantly and what to/how to fix it. Not that hard. Any Network Technician could do that, seriously. You can't just not monitor anything for a tournament like that. Telling Naniwa that he should close some programs and that it should fix the connections... like what the fuck? Arena has a full staff of IT and network people, from what i could gather from the post even using the clean wipe computers people got lagged out, therefore it's not the comps (refering to nightend) which means it's on the net end, yet the net supposedly has two different 100mbit lines which shows that it's not the venue. Therefore something must be f'd up in kiev, this is not IEM's fault. They chose a location that has a history of good service, has had multiple sc2 events, and has more claimed speed then any current MLG. also, the programs might have been something tied to the net (like steam for example) or could have been monitoring software or limiting software installed by the Arena. | ||
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Heff87
United States106 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On January 20 2012 23:09 Xalorian wrote: Next time, maybe hiring some real network technician could be cool? Someone that could monitor the venue and would know exactly what is happening right off the bat? "There is issue between the router of the venue and the ISP" -> ISP is having some problem, nothing much you can do. You could just post-pone the event in that case, calling the ISP and telling them that you know that something is happening and asking them when i will be fixed. "There is some issue between the computers and the router" -> Some router/switches/cables issues. "Actually no connectivity issues on the network" -> Computers related issues. And seriously, it's not that hard. There is like 20 free and open source monitoring softwares on the net. Set a Ubuntu computer in the venue, directly on the main switch. Download nagios and set it up, add the switches, the router, the computers. Monitor the the bandwith and do some ping test between computers, switches and the router at all time and set an alert to send your IT an email when something is going wrong... This way, if there is lag/connectivity issues/packet loss, you will know EXACTLY what is happening instantly and what to/how to fix it. Not that hard. Any Network Technician could do that, seriously. You can't just not monitor anything for a tournament like that. Telling Naniwa that he should close some programs and that it should fix the connections... like what the fuck? I really hope you are not serious about it. Do you really think the ESL crew and the guys that run the Arena are network amateurs? ... Seriously. Get your shit together please. | ||
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Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
How does that fix the problem at all? The entire point was that the result of game 3 was not legitimate. If they had replayed the third game, nightend won today. If they had restarted the series, it would've been 1-1 after the games today. The 'solution' was not a solution at all, if i'm understanding correctly. If you consider the third game illegitimate due to lag, zenio has not beaten nightend. The score is 2-2, with nightend winning the third game of the series. On January 21 2012 04:44 BluemoonSC wrote: i'm glad they gave nightend a chance to take on zenio in a best of 5 to make up for their error. i thought he might have redeemed the series, but it turns out our liquid player was too much for him and the result stood. sdlkfhskjghsdkljsdg. NO. They went 1-1 today. The only reasons the series ended is because they still counted the lagged game in the score. | ||
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xou
France58 Posts
 Anyway, I don't recall any tourney with lag problems in the cyberarena of kiev. Must've been that mysterious ddos'er! | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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Vi0elence
United States35 Posts
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
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Chengakz
United States163 Posts
On January 20 2012 15:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Actually, in Guangzhou I had the same fps drop to 10 in both my games vs Jim... I didn't complain much because I thought I had lost the games anyway, and I assumed it was just an isolated incidence --- But since it's happening the exact same way here in Kiev it makes me wonder whether there's something wrong with the computers you are using? Jinro, I think I just became a fan of yours for how you addressed this lag business as someone who experienced it himself. You spoke up (as you should) but did not turn me off with useless, immature whining and bashing. I hope to see you in more tournaments. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
They might release a LAN patch like a year or two after LotV, with SC3, the next big step in e-sports evolution, well under development already. | ||
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mumpfel
Germany52 Posts
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:11 SiguR wrote: So if i'm understanding this correctly, they simply made it into a bo5 for nightend/zenio with zenio starting up 2-1? How does that fix the problem at all? The entire point was that the result of game 3 was not legitimate. If they had replayed the third game, nightend won today. If they had restarted the series, it would've been 1-1 after the games today. The 'solution' was not a solution at all, if i'm understanding correctly. If you consider the third game illegitimate due to lag, zenio has not beaten nightend. The score is 2-2, with nightend winning the third game of the series. sdlkfhskjghsdkljsdg. NO. They went 1-1 today. The only reasons the series ended is because they still counted the lagged game in the score. Yeah it was the wrong decision by admins. Regame or don't regame, not some weird shit like give one player a huge advantage to give an illusion of a legitimate regame, pointless. | ||
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Cejotas
Spain88 Posts
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Tabashi
Belgium129 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:30 mTw|NarutO wrote: I really hope you are not serious about it. Do you really think the ESL crew and the guys that run the Arena are network amateurs? ... Seriously. Get your shit together please. Judging from how bad their website is they definitely have some holes in their tech staff. Now, that does not mean their network people have problems as well, but I don't think it is a good sign as to the general competency of their staff. Edit: That last statement comes off as overly harsh, I am not saying because their website is god awful the rest of their business is as well, it just indicates that they do have serious issues in some places and you can't just say that because they have been doing something for a long time that they are doing it well. | ||
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