I think Carmac has done a great job and this is only the beginning of 2012. Problems are bound to arise and nothing runs perfectly. What these guys have been doing for the community should be cherished and as a pro-gamer it is frustrating and stressful to be robbed of playing at your best due to lag, but these tournaments run on a schedule and the organizers have to do the best they can to just make the most out of it and prepare for the next one. It is easy to point fingers but these guys have the sole goal of entertaining you.

igge

Sweden25 Posts

January 20 2012 08:05 GMT

#283

On January 20 2012 15:27 vasculaR wrote:
isn't it funny that.. it COULD very well be PC problem and people still want to bash blizzard for no LAN.

Had blizzard incorporated LAN by now, even if only for tournaments, we would at least know for certain there was a problem with the computers. As of now, as you so delicately emphasize with that "COULD", we have no way of knowing. Fixing this by trial and error or similar methods would be so much easier if we had LAN, not to mention the fact that every tournament - and I mean every tournament - would greatly benefit from it. - And that's not to mention the players, who could play with a response time so low you couldn't match it, no matter how good internet connection you had.

niteReloaded

Croatia5282 Posts

January 20 2012 08:05 GMT

#284

If all this shitstorm was directed at Blizzard, we would solve all future lag issues with one swipe!

WE WANT LAN!

raser

Norway301 Posts

January 20 2012 08:19 GMT

#285

On January 20 2012 17:05 niteReloaded wrote:
If all this shitstorm was directed at Blizzard, we would solve all future lag issues with one swipe!

WE WANT LAN!

2bad the game is build around battlenet 2.0 and making lan mode would require to recode most of the game

we wont get lan. stop asking for it

True_Soldier

United States9 Posts

January 20 2012 08:20 GMT

#286

Even if it was pc problems which it very well could have been. If blizzard implemented lan all the resources that these organizations are having to devote towards the net issues would then be redirected to the computers, players, and event overall. Lan causes absolutely no problems but fixes so many.
@ above poster it already has offline mode would it really be that hard implementing custom games to it? I'm no programmer so if there is one correct me please if i'm wrong.

niteReloaded

Croatia5282 Posts

January 20 2012 08:25 GMT

#287

On January 20 2012 17:19 raser wrote:

Show nested quote +

2bad the game is build around battlenet 2.0 and making lan mode would require to recode most of the game

we wont get lan. stop asking for it

Too bad society is built around slavery and black people will never have rights.
Too bad society is built around horses and we'll never have cars.
...

In other words, don't be so short-sighted. Much bigger things have changed. R1CH could probably code that shit in a week.

Zirith

Canada403 Posts

January 20 2012 08:27 GMT

#288

I honestly don't care about the lag spikes. It is like breaking an oar in a rowing race, shit happens sometimes and there is no point in bitching about it. But if you do feel compelled to bitch, blame blizzards greed.

Kusuri

Austria29 Posts

January 20 2012 08:41 GMT

#289

On January 20 2012 17:19 raser wrote:

Show nested quote +

2bad the game is build around battlenet 2.0 and making lan mode would require to recode most of the game

we wont get lan. stop asking for it

Obviously you have no idea about software development. I'm sure Blizzard would be able to implement a LAN mode within a reasonable amount of time, if the wanted to.

So, pretty please to Blizzard - give us LAN mode, even if only in a special build available to tournaments.

Musicus

Germany23576 Posts

January 20 2012 08:57 GMT

#290

Instead of giving away i7 cpus at every event, maybe they should put them in their own computers?

Just kidding, I'm sure the rest of the event will run just fine and I can't even express the amount of respect I have for Zenio for agreeing to a regame with Nightend!

Geen

Netherlands51 Posts

January 20 2012 08:59 GMT

#291

I kind of feel this only adresses half the problem, Grubby complained about recieving no help at all from the admins during the pause, if I understood that correctly, and not so much about the lag. Apparantly not only the lag was messed up, but also the communication to players during that period.

Not much can be done about that now, but this should definatly be seen as a learning moment for the admins at the tourney as well.

raser

Norway301 Posts

January 20 2012 09:04 GMT

#292

On January 20 2012 17:41 Kusuri wrote:

Show nested quote +

actually i do... thats why i know they wont do it. so please dont judge people you don't know.

bLah.

Croatia497 Posts

January 20 2012 09:09 GMT

#293

On January 20 2012 18:04 raser wrote:

Show nested quote +

actually i do... thats why i know they wont do it. so please dont judge people you don't know.

you don't know if you think it would require to recode most of the game. That wouldn't be true even for a whole game, let alone for tournaments where they'd need only small server connected with PCs in LAN. They won't do it because they are afraid that someone will steal server files and then make cracked servers.
That's the only reason why they don't do it.

Mentor

Germany219 Posts

January 20 2012 09:11 GMT

#294

I don't see why people blame ESL for this when the root of the problem clearly is the "No LAN mnode" mentality of Blizzard...

scruffeh

England196 Posts

January 20 2012 09:11 GMT

#295

Wow, credit to Zenio if he's agreed to a rematch. I felt really bad for him, being stuck in the middle of an ambiguous situation (i.e. lag is likely to have affected the outcome, but no way of telling for sure). Hopefully things will improve today...

Grovbolle

Denmark3811 Posts

January 20 2012 09:20 GMT

#296

I think the ones really to be blamed are Blizzard, Y U NO GIVE LAN?

Naehar

Sweden7 Posts

January 20 2012 09:25 GMT

#297

You've got to hand it to Garmac handling this really professionaly and making sure that the issue was fixed before playing any games further, which is fairplay all the way. I was watching Apollo's stream during the event and I saw the game White-Ra vs Strelok and at the last minutes of the game Strelok started experiencing huge lag, but as said it was in the last minutes of the set so it was already a win for White-Ra.

Good show from ESL to trying their best, I raise my hat to you sirs who take all the shit from people yet keep a smile on your faces.

cjin

181 Posts

January 20 2012 09:25 GMT

#298

On January 20 2012 18:11 scruffeh wrote:
Wow, credit to Zenio if he's agreed to a rematch. I felt really bad for him, being stuck in the middle of an ambiguous situation (i.e. lag is likely to have affected the outcome, but no way of telling for sure). Hopefully things will improve today...

Rematch is agreed (or admin forced?). Zenio can choose if they replay only third map or whole Bo3.

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/kiev/news/182718/

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

January 20 2012 09:43 GMT

#299

The culprits here are Blizzard. The absence of a stable tournament environment is a nonsense.