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Carmac responds to IEM Criticism: "Bring on the pitchforks…

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ProBot
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada170 Posts
January 20 2012 03:45 GMT
#241
I can clearly tell that a lot of you posting are between the ages of 12 and 14. Little to nothing can be done about network lag, so why flame the tournament for something that's out of their control? For those of you that say it's PC lag ... where you there? did you play on the computers? You must have some real insight to tell it's pc lag by watching the stream, especially when the players themselves are saying it was network lag ..... If your going to flame something a) at least have an educated argument to back up your statements, and b) have a clue about what your talking about.


K Thx

User was temp banned for this post.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 04:08:33
January 20 2012 03:54 GMT
#242
On January 20 2012 12:45 ProBot wrote:
I can clearly tell that a lot of you posting are between the ages of 12 and 14. Little to nothing can be done about network lag, so why flame the tournament for something that's out of their control? For those of you that say it's PC lag ... where you there? did you play on the computers? You must have some real insight to tell it's pc lag by watching the stream, especially when the players themselves are saying it was network lag ..... If your going to flame something a) at least have an educated argument to back up your statements, and b) have a clue about what your talking about.


K Thx


Go and read what Huk Thorzain and Rotterdam as well as many of the players who were at the event said. Network problems happened as well and thats to be expected, but evidently the systems werent equipped or, more likely, maintained well enough to service a tournament.
twitch.tv/medrea
ProBot
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada170 Posts
January 20 2012 03:58 GMT
#243
The same huk and thorzain that aren't even at the tournament?

User was warned for this post
Hailene
Profile Joined June 2011
United States80 Posts
January 20 2012 03:59 GMT
#244
It's great that you guys are working so hard to fix it. I don't care how many others believe that they need to rail on the tournament for situations like this when you guys don't needed the added stress from us on top of all these issues. I'm sure that organizing anything of this magnitude causes huge issues that need to be dealt with on the spot, and I have full faith in you guys to do your best to fix it - that's all anyone can ask.

The result for the players is, of course, some bad lag and such, but in the end there's not much to do. Through the year and a half that Starcraft 2 has been played on a highly competitive level, it's fairly obvious that Blizzard needs to get more involved. I don't see how they feel they need to have such a hands-off approach to this. I'm sure that if Blizzard gave us LAN, then started hosting tournaments themselves, they would find that they could make enough revenue to support continued Starcraft 2 updates in the future, etc.
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
January 20 2012 04:02 GMT
#245
On January 20 2012 12:58 ProBot wrote:
The same huk and thorzain that aren't even at the tournament?


Did you even read what Thorzain wrote?
Xanthopsia
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia41 Posts
January 20 2012 04:02 GMT
#246
I was watching last night and sure, didn't go 100% smoothly, but these big tournaments never do; even the GSL has it's own technical problems (however rare they may be). IEM are doing a great job and putting on an awesome tournament. Keep it up guys!
.aquila
Profile Joined July 2011
United States68 Posts
January 20 2012 04:03 GMT
#247
On January 20 2012 12:58 ProBot wrote:
The same huk and thorzain that aren't even at the tournament?

Can I just say that I find it ironic that you think that you are just as informed, if not more so, than two of the most well-connected and famous members of the SC2 scene?


Regardless of the reason behind the problems at IEM, the fact of the matter remains that it is an issue that has to be resolved between Blizzard, IEM, and the players. It is quite pointless if overzealous members of TL insist on spouting rants about the inefficiencies and shortcomings of any of the involved parties. At this point, just wait for tomorrow, when more information will be provided for the public, and when IEM will (hopefully) resolve this problem.
Trell
Profile Joined February 2011
United States60 Posts
January 20 2012 04:21 GMT
#248
"Just wait until Starcraft III next year guys"
"I went to Terran Cheeseburgers the other day...... That is the reason I can't have nice things"
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
January 20 2012 04:27 GMT
#249
Thank you Carmac for showing that you care and to take the time to explain!

I'm just happy Nani went through and won his group >_>
(:
pe6ousa
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5 Posts
January 20 2012 04:28 GMT
#250
On January 20 2012 12:54 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:45 ProBot wrote:
I can clearly tell that a lot of you posting are between the ages of 12 and 14. Little to nothing can be done about network lag, so why flame the tournament for something that's out of their control? For those of you that say it's PC lag ... where you there? did you play on the computers? You must have some real insight to tell it's pc lag by watching the stream, especially when the players themselves are saying it was network lag ..... If your going to flame something a) at least have an educated argument to back up your statements, and b) have a clue about what your talking about.


K Thx


Go and read what Huk Thorzain and Rotterdam as well as many of the players who were at the event said. Network problems happened as well and thats to be expected, but evidently the systems werent equipped or, more likely, maintained well enough to service a tournament.


Educated huh? Take a look at your paragraph of nonsense you just wrote and rethink about educated :D
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
January 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#251
This sucks for iem but hopefully they improve. You lose you learn right? And NaNi for toughing it through the most frustrating (especially at tourny) lag issues.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 20 2012 04:44 GMT
#252
On January 20 2012 10:01 Zeroxk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 09:40 EtherealDeath wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:19 Apollo324 wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:17 floor exercise wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:15 Apollo324 wrote:
Blizzard isn't just hiding a button that says "RELEASE LAN". Not that simple, sorry.

The way BNet 2.0 is built, all of your games, all interactions between the players, the record of where each unit is, EVERYTHING is mediated on the server side. Your SC2 client DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOST A GAME! To provide LAN support, Blizzard would have to implement all of the server functionality on a client side program. The development time and cost would be huge. It's not going to happen.

Blizzard has said this much publicly. However, they have also said that they are working on a way of providing portable servers to major tournaments. Hypothetically, a year from now, MLG, DH, GSL will have their own BNet servers that can be run locally, removing these problems. Again, this will take time, but it's supposedly in the works.

Really sucks to see major tournaments suffering from technical issues, and I can't imagine being a progamer and suffering from random lag spikes wrecking my games, but I don't think people can casually throw this at Blizzard's feet.

My $0.02

This is so wrong it's physically painful to read.


Explain please? This is based on interviews with BNet 2.0 engineers and Browder.


This is wrong because Chinese hackers have already created a pseudo-server which allows them to run SC2 on a LAN. Won't post any links or d/l since that's not allowed here, but go look it up for yourself if you're interested. It has been done. Blizzard just won't make an official version for tournaments.


The chinese hack is a private server setup, not LAN. And this doesn't disprove his post at all, you create a private b.net emulation server and connect the player clients to that


Yes and then you connect to that server which happens to be nearby, instead of connecting to god knows how far away with all the bullshit that might happen enroute because something bad happened one day somewhere.

Not exactly LAN, but a nice improvement as far as major tourneys go.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
January 20 2012 04:49 GMT
#253
Shit happens, a sincere apology is good enough unless going to the live event actually cost ticket entrance money.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
January 20 2012 04:54 GMT
#254
On January 20 2012 12:54 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:45 ProBot wrote:
I can clearly tell that a lot of you posting are between the ages of 12 and 14. Little to nothing can be done about network lag, so why flame the tournament for something that's out of their control? For those of you that say it's PC lag ... where you there? did you play on the computers? You must have some real insight to tell it's pc lag by watching the stream, especially when the players themselves are saying it was network lag ..... If your going to flame something a) at least have an educated argument to back up your statements, and b) have a clue about what your talking about.


K Thx


Go and read what Huk Thorzain and Rotterdam as well as many of the players who were at the event said. Network problems happened as well and thats to be expected, but evidently the systems werent equipped or, more likely, maintained well enough to service a tournament.

What type of maintenance should have been done to which parts of the system? I'm a Huk fan, but honestly he probably doesn't know enough about networking a massive lan event to make such judgements.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
January 20 2012 05:21 GMT
#255
Blizzard often says it's too difficult to add LAN because of the structure of bnet2.0. I wonder if people would actually be willing to accept a 6+ month delay of hots to fit in some form of LAN. Then again, Blizzard often says they never give release dates to ensure a product is ready, but would they even take the money hit by delaying the release?
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
January 20 2012 05:28 GMT
#256
tyrant lol, adding lan or not only has to do with pirating/money, not engineering.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
January 20 2012 05:33 GMT
#257
On January 20 2012 14:28 leveller wrote:
tyrant lol, adding lan or not only has to do with pirating/money, not engineering.


LeVeLlEr LoL, aDdInG lAn Or NoT oNlY hAs To Do WiTh EnGiNeErInG, nOt PiRaTiNg?mOnEy lolololol

Have you read anything? Blizzard themselves have stated its an engineering issue. Who cares whether it is or isn't? Stick it to blizzard that the player base will make sacrifices to see a LAN feature, even if they have to rework battle.net and delay hots. Then they either have to retreat to the piracy excuse, or simply have no excuse at all. It puts the players in a much more powerful position vs blizzard's stance on LAN.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
January 20 2012 05:34 GMT
#258
IEM often have problems but blaming them for Blizzard/Activision's faults is ridiculous.
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 20 2012 05:48 GMT
#259
Really appreciate the sharing Carmac, good luck moving forward!
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
January 20 2012 06:14 GMT
#260
Btw, where is Huk's post about the lag in IEM that triggered this response? I want to read it
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