TSL claims Fnatic tampered with Alive, Fnatic denies - Pag…

On January 19 2012 10:02 chatuka wrote:


what Lee did was prett crazy. but Alive should have finished out his contract then reach out to fnatic. Or talk to Mr. Lee directly and ask out of his contract. that is how usually people deal with a contractual situation. Fnatic should have been aware of these premises of common ethical behavior and not talk to Alive about 'Buisness'. If they wanted Alive, Fnatic should have contacted Mr. Lee directly.

On January 19 2012 10:03 TheTurk wrote:
Perhaps there is a reason that this is happening to TSL again?
It's not like the players are being stolen away; there is voluntary preference driving their actions.
Maybe the effort spent whining about players leaving would be better spent insuring that the players are content enough to not leave in the 1st place?

On January 19 2012 12:03 Erik.TheRed wrote:
I really don't think "tampered with Alive" is the best phrase to use here... unless someone from Fnactic broke Alive's fingers through "negotiations".

Something like "TSL claims Fnatic undermined Alive's contract" might be more appropriate (but perhaps not as memorable)

I'll admit that writing catchy and accurate headlines is ridiculously difficult.

On January 19 2012 12:32 bittman wrote:


Undermined appears to be a good way to put it given the current information as, you're right, tampered gives the impression Fnatic had a more direct impact upon alive than it appears they did.

Also just to give my impression on all this since everyone has to have their say on drama =P -
It appears that all parties are possibly somewhat in the wrong. I see it like this:

- Coach Lee is in the wrong (potentially legally) for tracking private conversations. However as the teamhouse is a "workplace" depending on the laws he might have the right to have a record of actions of an employee on work computers. Depends on a lot of factors of course, though I think this is morally at least in the wrong to be taking private conversations.

- Alive is potentially in the wrong since, though he said he was thinking of leaving when offered, it does largely look like he has tried to circumvent his contract by quitting the team and then getting picked up by another team. I doubt this was on any advice of Fnatic, however if it was Fnatic needs to apologise. I keep reading "Fnatic's views arent represented by its translator", but if he's an employee of Fnatic then they own responsibility of his actions. If he had an action in some shady advice, then the responsibility falls on Fnatic.

- And Fnatic are potentially in the wrong also depending on their advice, sort of linked to above. I feel like teams need to approach a coach / manager of a team first and I completely disagree with any statements people are making about "The way to do things is to approach the player" as contracts are bought and transferred in this industry, not poached.

So overall, I think Lee is definitely in the wrong and perhaps (though I actually expect) alive and Fnatic are also in the wrong too. Hopefully there's a quick and responsible resolution to the whole thing however and hopefully each of the parties get what they are after.

On January 19 2012 12:46 oxxo wrote:


How is he definitely in the wrong? It's a workplace. It's far from uncommon to have activities/conversations recorded.

On January 19 2012 11:54 Turbovolver wrote:

I bet Coach Lee is nuts and that's what drives them away.

On January 19 2012 13:06 FidoDido wrote:
maybe he didnt read the fine print that said, "all skype convos will be recorded and closely monitored for quality assurance"

On January 19 2012 12:53 Vei wrote:
The "Korean" traditional methods have been tried, and in BW you essentially had freezing houses, low/little/no pay, low standards of living, and a mountain of pressure.

On January 19 2012 12:53 Vei wrote:
Is anyone else sick and tired of all the Korean pressuring/guilt-tripping every time a Korean player leaves his team/goes to a new team? I feel like Koreans need to "get with the times" and stop this ludicrous atmosphere of pressure on their younger people. There's a reason the suicide rate in S.Korea is one of the highest in the world (if not the highest?) and part of the reason is shit like this. It's getting absurd, Coach Lee is even going as far as to snooping on private Skype chatlogs? And then blah blah "I spent 6000$ on travel--" that's business. Stop crying. EG spent god knows how much on Axslav/Strifecro, ended up parting ways and they didn't necessarily "pay for themselves" but it's part of investing in ESPORTS.

Like, Lee is an ADULT. aLive and plenty of other people I've seen in similar situations (Puma comes to mind) are young people who are abandoning their chances at taking the korean standardized tests in favor of ESPORTS -- let them do what the fuck they think is best. If they can legally break a contract at the cost of a fee, that is their choice. Respect them -- at the very least don't publicly try to shame them/humiliate them/guilt-trip/act like you're a saint constantly getting fucked with.

It's disgusting and I'm positive I'm not the only one who feels this way in the trends of the pressure on korean youths trying to find their way in the korean SC scene.

The "Korean" traditional methods have been tried, and in BW you essentially had freezing houses, low/little/no pay, low standards of living, and a mountain of pressure. It's getting old reading tirade after tirade from Coach Lee against his players; yet the only constant in all the various TSL drama is himself.