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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 18 2012 21:28 GMT
#981
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
January 18 2012 21:42 GMT
#982
On January 19 2012 05:36 purecarnagge wrote:
So Alive spoke to Fnatic management, without going through his coach. That is a problem. Especially if your trying to get a partnership done.

Coach Lee might not be the brightest crayon in the box but he ain't the dullest. Fnatic really screwed this up.


.....

i didn't know an interpreter represents Fnatic management..
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
January 18 2012 21:43 GMT
#983
OMG I say down with TSL. They are always causing drama. It's no wonder everyone tries to leave the team.

User was warned for this post
Dat Ax! I bleed Infinity Seven Black
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#984
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

I can't say, as I'm not remotely involved with Fnatic in any way.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
January 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#985
Mostly in these cases everything is so misunderstood. The other team is protecting their players and if something looks fishy ( which doesn't need to be something at all ) can be easily mistaken. I think fnatic and Coach lee will just discuss this privately and just sort it out.
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
January 18 2012 21:57 GMT
#986
I don't see what's wrong with Fnatic approaching aLive while he was under contract. They acknowledged his contract with TSL, and they didn't try and recruit him while under contract, they merely negotiated. You don't need to go to the management of a company to negotiate. The only really morally ambiguous thing here, is aLive's loyalty, and nothing else. He didn't breach his contract, and neither did Fnatic make him breach his contract.

In my opinion, communication between the companies is only mandatory when one company would be seeking to buy the contracted party out of his contract. aLive was going to leave TSL before joining Fnatic eitherway. There was no breach of contract anywhere. There is nothing saying that Fnatic wasn't going to try and buy him out of the contract; it didn't happen because the Coach decided to raid the personal communication of aLive.

Also, doesn't TSL's lack of ability to hold on to their players make you think that aLive has a good reason for wanting out?
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 18 2012 21:57 GMT
#987
On January 19 2012 06:43 Schwang wrote:
OMG I say down with TSL. They are always causing drama. It's no wonder everyone tries to leave the team.


ouch that's mean. TSL is a great team
My religion is Starcraft
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#988
something must be wrong with TSL if the players want to leave so bad lol.
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
January 18 2012 22:24 GMT
#989
To me, it seems like TSL has some issues regarding player transfers. Why is it only TSL that has these problems while others don't? What is, for example, oGsTL doing that TSL isn't? Why can oGs and TL transfer players without issues?

Other teams have handled transfers just fine. Inori from FXO, TanDongHo from ZeNex, Oz/Twilight from foU.

One difference is that TSL's players have been higher profile, but with the Puma transfer, he only had one notable tournament on his record, the NASL. You couldn't have called him a big-name player back then, he only showed up in team leagues and never made it into code A.

I'd like to hear from someone from TL about how the Zenio transfer went, and to the best of their knowledge, how it compared to the Puma/aLive "transfers". I understand Coach Lee has a good reputation on TL.net, having the same kind of incident happen again raises a few questions.
lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
January 18 2012 22:26 GMT
#990
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.
LUCK is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity.......
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 18 2012 22:27 GMT
#991
On January 19 2012 07:26 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.

He was a fOu member then joined FXO, shortly afterwards FXO aquired all of fOu.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 18 2012 22:29 GMT
#992
On January 19 2012 07:26 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.


Oz is formally known as Twilightfou. When he transferred over to FXO he changed his name to Oz.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
goal 888
Profile Joined April 2011
167 Posts
January 18 2012 22:34 GMT
#993
So tough to decide who to believe
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 18 2012 22:37 GMT
#994
On January 19 2012 06:42 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 05:36 purecarnagge wrote:
So Alive spoke to Fnatic management, without going through his coach. That is a problem. Especially if your trying to get a partnership done.

Coach Lee might not be the brightest crayon in the box but he ain't the dullest. Fnatic really screwed this up.


.....

i didn't know an interpreter represents Fnatic management..


Do the non-korean speaking representative represent fnatic to korean players?
It could just be a friendly conversation, but if the translator is employed by fnatic and is talking about joining fnatic, it's hard to not conclude that he is representing fnatic. Whether that was his intent or not, this interpretation of events should have been obvious.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 18 2012 22:38 GMT
#995
On January 19 2012 07:29 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 07:26 lazyfeet wrote:
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.


Oz is formally known as Twilightfou. When he transferred over to FXO he changed his name to Oz.

I think you might be missing my point. FXO accquired Oz/Twilight while they were training in the fou house and Oz was originally fou. It's almost identical to what happened here, except for Oz being a complete unknown back then and Alive being a known quantity.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#996
On January 19 2012 07:34 goal 888 wrote:
So tough to decide who to believe


I suggest taking things with a grain of salt and not making any conclusions or taking sides until all the evidence is out.
No one has to or should defend anyone or take sides until everything is cleared up with facts and evidence.
Nothing wrong with discussing the topic in the meanwhile however.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 22:47:48
January 18 2012 22:47 GMT
#997
On January 19 2012 07:38 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 07:29 Angelbelow wrote:
On January 19 2012 07:26 lazyfeet wrote:
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.


Oz is formally known as Twilightfou. When he transferred over to FXO he changed his name to Oz.

I think you might be missing my point. FXO accquired Oz/Twilight while they were training in the fou house and Oz was originally fou. It's almost identical to what happened here, except for Oz being a complete unknown back then and Alive being a known quantity.


I haven't actually read your previous posts. I was just correctly the mistake that "Oz was not a fou member." So I don't know what you guys are discussing.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
January 18 2012 23:04 GMT
#998
Man, I don't even know what to make of this. It doesn't seem like either side was trying to pull one over on the other. Maybe just tension from similar events being so underhanded that it simply got blown out of proportion?
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
January 18 2012 23:08 GMT
#999
On January 19 2012 07:38 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 07:29 Angelbelow wrote:
On January 19 2012 07:26 lazyfeet wrote:
On January 19 2012 06:28 McFeser wrote:
On January 19 2012 05:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think one of the things a lot of people are missing here is that all of this occurred during the time period that Coach Lee was in negotiations of a partnership with Fnatic, and Fnatic players were training in the TSL house.

Do you think Fnatic thought that it would be ok to sign aLive, considering that alot of foriegn pickups occur when said foriegn team trains with the Korean team?

As in HerO --> Liquid
Oz --> FXO

Oz was not a fou member. He was in FXO way before FXO acquire FOU.


Oz is formally known as Twilightfou. When he transferred over to FXO he changed his name to Oz.

I think you might be missing my point. FXO accquired Oz/Twilight while they were training in the fou house and Oz was originally fou. It's almost identical to what happened here, except for Oz being a complete unknown back then and Alive being a known quantity.


Oz was a coach at fOu playing just one game in the GSTL until he got picked up by FXO.
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 18 2012 23:09 GMT
#1000
On January 18 2012 14:51 BloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:48 Kennigit wrote:
Dirty cash.

does TL and Fnatic not have good relationships?

Jesus Christ. Things really have got to a stage where i cant say anything publicly without adding foot notes that im joking.
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