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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:46 Elem wrote: He used to. Probs cannot now with kid and wife. Is this based on some interview or something? I take it that he has practised that much (as Musicus mentioned) but only right before the tournament. Like that one MLG when everybody had left the scene already one remained to practise. Boxer. But I don't think it is an everyday thing. | ||
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ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
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fams
Canada731 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:56 Squeegy wrote: Is this based on some interview or something? I take it that he has practised that much (as Musicus mentioned) but only right before the tournament. Like that one MLG when everybody had left the scene already one remained to practise. Boxer. But I don't think it is an everyday thing. It was between two tournaments if I recall correctly - so in essence, yeah right before a tournament. | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:56 Squeegy wrote: Quite sure it was Lyn or Sky who said it in an interview that Moon would be playing "constantly" - playing while he(Sky/Lyn) was awake and still be playing when he woke up.Is this based on some interview or something? I take it that he has practised that much (as Musicus mentioned) but only right before the tournament. Like that one MLG when everybody had left the scene already one remained to practise. Boxer. But I don't think it is an everyday thing. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
He is like a Bugatti without proper tires and only half way fuelled. That means fnatic needs more Koreans of high calibre, aLive would be the first step, he can probably practice ZvP with ToD (if he is in Korea), and ZvT with aLive. If he practices like he used to practice 2005-2008, then he can surely become the best Zerg in the world and obtain a level that can touch or even surpass MVP and MMA. Kids, you seem to forget hes STILL leading the Prize money ranking above ANY currect SC2 pro, being well over 300k+ $ (MVP is at 250k $) And WC3 had only half the prize money, SC2 throws out nowadays. I wish him good luck in fnatic, and fnatic good luck to revive this extremely powerful machine. Give him aLive, give him other successful Code S players to practice, and he will slaughter everybody. End of story. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:05 GodOfWar wrote: What matters ONLY is, IF Moon gets good practice partners, he WILL succeed. He is like a Bugatti without proper tires and only half way fuelled. That means fnatic needs more Koreans of high calibre, aLive would be the first step, he can practice ZvP with ToD probably, and ZvT with aLive. If he practices like he used to practice 2005-2008, then he can surely become the best Zerg in the world and a level that can touch or even surpass MVP and MMA. Kids, you seem to forget hes STILL leading the Prize money ranking above ANY currect SC2 pro, being well over 300k+ $ (MVP is at 250k $) And WC3 had only half the prize money, SC2 throws out nowadays. I wish him good luck in fnatic, and fnatic good luck to revive this extremely powerful machine. Give him aLive, give him other Code S players to practice, and he will slaughter everybody. End of story. You don't seem to understand how Koreans work. If you're Korean you just practice with other Koreans, regardless of your team. You think Puma practices with EG players all day? Of course not, he practices with his friends he's known for years. Your opinion of Moon's chances for success are pretty odd too. Grubby and Tod haven't even got going in Sc2. Maybe Moon will do well, maybe not. No guarantee's. Moon does have an advantage of being Korean though. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:20 Squeegy wrote: From what I understand he practises around the same time as BW progamers do. I would be interested to read if there are any interviews or such that go deeper into his training regime. This is of course a strange discussion to have but you have to consider that Moon kept to his practice regime while living alone. It's one thing to keep the practice hours up when it's expected of you and you got people around constantly pushing each other. Maintaining this insane schedule on your own requires way more dedication, discipline and work ethics. That said, it's of course impossible to make such a claim as Jeremyy did since BW players never got the 'chance' to do what Moon did. You can however argue that Moon's practice regime was more impressive but that's still subjective. edit: it's also worth mentioning that he's not this hard(in hours) anymore, These days he's at ~10 hours/day(or was at 2010) and it's probably not increased now with wife and kid. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:08 Seraphone wrote: You don't seem to understand how Koreans work. If you're Korean you just practice with other Koreans, regardless of your team. You think Puma practices with EG players all day? Of course not, he practices with his friends he's known for years. Your opinion of Moon's chances for success are pretty odd too. Grubby and Tod haven't even got going in Sc2. Maybe Moon will do well, maybe not. No guarantee's. Moon does have an advantage of being Korean though. Yea, but Moon is still kind of fresh to SC2, even though he ocasionally participated in tournaments 2011. I doubt he knows many of the Code S players, he would have to "make friends" with some of them. Right now, I believe he would only practice with guys like Lyn, SocceR, ToD...maybe viOlet. (basically only former WC3 pros) but thats not really high class material for Moon to step up his game. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:09 Longshank wrote: This is of course a strange discussion to have but you have to consider that Moon kept to his practice regime while living alone. It's one thing to keep the practice hours up when it's expected of you and you got people around constantly pushing each other. Maintaining this insane schedule on your own requires way more dedication, discipline and work ethics. That said, it's of course impossible to make such a claim as Jeremyy did since BW players never got the 'chance' to do what Moon did. You can however argue that Moon's practice regime was more impressive but that's still subjective. I thought he practised in the WeMadeFox house while he was in the team. Is there any sources on how he practised before that? Also, I agree that it is indeed highly impressive if he did pull it off by living alone but as you say, it does not follow from that that his work ethic was any greater. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:18 GodOfWar wrote: Yea, but Moon is still kind of fresh to SC2, even though he ocasionally participated in tournaments 2011. I doubt he knows many of the Code S players, he would have to "make friends" with some of them. Right now, I believe he would only practice with guys like Lyn, SocceR, ToD...maybe viOlet. (basically only former WC3 pros) but thats not really high class material for Moon to step up his game. I think he has way more friends in the scene than you think. I believe he and Nada for example know from WMF times. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:05 GodOfWar wrote: What matters ONLY is, IF Moon gets good practice partners, he WILL succeed. He is like a Bugatti without proper tires and only half way fuelled. That means fnatic needs more Koreans of high calibre, aLive would be the first step, he can probably practice ZvP with ToD (if he is in Korea), and ZvT with aLive. If he practices like he used to practice 2005-2008, then he can surely become the best Zerg in the world and obtain a level that can touch or even surpass MVP and MMA. Kids, you seem to forget hes STILL leading the Prize money ranking above ANY currect SC2 pro, being well over 300k+ $ (MVP is at 250k $) And WC3 had only half the prize money, SC2 throws out nowadays. I wish him good luck in fnatic, and fnatic good luck to revive this extremely powerful machine. Give him aLive, give him other successful Code S players to practice, and he will slaughter everybody. End of story. stop posting in bold, it doesnt make your opinion more important than other's. i dont like that none of my wc3 heroes play terran qq grubby and hasu are protoss and xlord and moon are zerg t-t | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:20 Squeegy wrote: I thought he practised in the WeMadeFox house while he was in the team. Is there any sources on how he practised before that? Also, I agree that it is indeed highly impressive if he did pull it off by living alone but as you say, it does not follow from that that his work ethic was any greater. He did, but he joined WMF pretty late in his WC3 career when he was past his prime. I don't know if there are any sources on his practice regime before that(there were interviews, reports and such but finding forum posts today is tricky). It was a well established fact back then that Moon practiced harder than anyone in WC3 though, take it for what it's worth. As I said in my edit in my last post though, he's not keeping such practice schedule anymore, now with wife and kid. Last interview I remember he said ~10 hours/day but that was 2010 or possibly early 2011. edit: May 2010 http://fnatic.com/feature/7372/Moon-quot-I-have-never-thought-of-quitting-quot.html | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Cenja
Sweden498 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:18 GodOfWar wrote: Yea, but Moon is still kind of fresh to SC2, even though he ocasionally participated in tournaments 2011. I doubt he knows many of the Code S players, he would have to "make friends" with some of them. Right now, I believe he would only practice with guys like Lyn, SocceR, ToD...maybe viOlet. (basically only former WC3 pros) but thats not really high class material for Moon to step up his game. People can pick up practice partners fairly easily...you don't necessarily have to be able to communicate well to get good practice. Jinro for instance practiced a shit ton with Sage and Byun on stream. Naniwa practiced vs Check for his GSL games. You may not be able to talk strategy as in depth (since a lot of teams might wanna keep builds secret), but you definitely will be able to adjust to metagames, mesh out your own builds and improve on certain weaknesses through those sorts of practices. If all else fails, there's always The Kind Terran Clide himself... that guy practices with everyone. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:29 teddyoojo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2012 00:05 GodOfWar wrote: What matters ONLY is, IF Moon gets good practice partners, he WILL succeed. He is like a Bugatti without proper tires and only half way fuelled. That means fnatic needs more Koreans of high calibre, aLive would be the first step, he can probably practice ZvP with ToD (if he is in Korea), and ZvT with aLive. If he practices like he used to practice 2005-2008, then he can surely become the best Zerg in the world and obtain a level that can touch or even surpass MVP and MMA. Kids, you seem to forget hes STILL leading the Prize money ranking above ANY currect SC2 pro, being well over 300k+ $ (MVP is at 250k $) And WC3 had only half the prize money, SC2 throws out nowadays. I wish him good luck in fnatic, and fnatic good luck to revive this extremely powerful machine. Give him aLive, give him other successful Code S players to practice, and he will slaughter everybody. End of story. stop posting in bold, it doesnt make your opinion more important than other's. i dont like that none of my wc3 heroes play terran qq grubby and hasu are protoss and xlord and moon are zerg t-t Infi and Sky are Terran, I believe? @ Squeegy: I'm too sleep-deprived to know what point you're trying to make, but from what I understand, Moon actually practiced more back before he joined WMF. His practice regimen (16 hours a day average, sometimes running to more depending) during his prime was before and during his peak years (again pre-WMF), to get his game up to par. I have no idea exactly how long he maintained that regimen, but it seems to have been for some period. What I do know is that, according to him and a few other War3 pros (Infi is a good example), once you reach a particular level of skill in War3, you don't need to practice as much as you do when you're initially trying to break into the scene; at that point it becomes much more time-efficient to, yes, play some, but then to study replays a ton and to play games in your head (think how Flash does it), because at some point it becomes impossible to perfect your actual game past a certain threshold, and you're better off just hoping to god you're in good condition for the next day. War3 at this point becomes a game of perfection, and time is better devoted to thinking up possible scenerios in your head and trying to strategize instead.. He pretty much seemed to do his long run of practice sessions for SC2 right before tournaments rather than practice consistently, in any case; I do know that for PPSL, he states that he didn't really practice that much SC2 in an interview because of WCG Korea coming up. Bottom line: Back in his peak, he was insane with practice. Nowadays, he doesn't practice as much, whether that's due to family, age, or other factors. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:18 GodOfWar wrote: Yea, but Moon is still kind of fresh to SC2, even though he ocasionally participated in tournaments 2011. I doubt he knows many of the Code S players, he would have to "make friends" with some of them. Right now, I believe he would only practice with guys like Lyn, SocceR, ToD...maybe viOlet. (basically only former WC3 pros) but thats not really high class material for Moon to step up his game. He was on a team with some Sc2 players in WMF, he's been to various foreign events with players. I'm sure he has plenty friends. If Idra can land Sage as a practice partner without even speaking their language I'm sure a native and legendary figure like Moon has no issues. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:47 FiReMaN wrote: Moon could be a big contender for the most prestigious titles if he practices enough, do we know if he will live in a team house considering that he has a family now Fanatic are announcing their Korean training situation soon. | ||
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