Moon joins Fnatic.SC2 - Page 65

On January 18 2012 19:38 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
i hope moon completely focuses on sc2. this man is a legend and watching him pwn bomber in one of the international events proves that a true gamer like him will thrive in any scenario.

Here's to moon becoming a GSL champ.

On January 18 2012 17:33 89andy wrote:
Foreigner scene is dominated by war3 players because it's the most recent successful competitive RTS game.

The real measure is the korean scene, where the top tier pros are, where clearly players with pro-BW backgrounds are dominating.

On January 18 2012 17:24 paintfive wrote:


Since everyone likes to cite TLPD so much, why don't we have a look at the top 5 current foreigners?
Mana
Kas
Stephano
SaSe
Naniwa
4 out 5 are former War3 players. Mana being the only ex-BW player. Mana is good but his ELO is inflated due to various online tournaments (he'd still be up there, but he might not be deserving of #1, as many would agree). If you even go down the list of foreigner players, it's dominated by former war3 players. Who made it to TSL3 Grand Finals? Oh yea 2 ex-war3 players. Kind of sad how little respect many of these players get.

On January 18 2012 20:24 dantemp wrote:
Does this mean he will quit WC3 for good? Cause this is the only way to get something done at the SC2 scene...

On January 18 2012 20:08 Squeegy wrote:


I'll reply to this particular post while of course answering everyone else.

When you look at the tournament results over the course of SC2, you will find that BW foreigners have done just as good if not better than WC3 foreigners. WC3 foreigners are not dominating the scene, that is simply not true. Start going through the results if you don't believe me, you'll be surprised. Currently, the duo Stephano and Naniwa could be better than any duo BW foreigners could field but I am not entirely convinced about that. In either case, ingoring that, you will find that BW foreigners can field a team that is just as deep as WC3 foreigners' team.

I have always said that WC3 scene seems to have had a talent pool at the level of BW foreigners. But once you add the Koreans into the equation you will find that BW talent pool is far larger and deeper than WC3's. Korean BW was simply far more competetive than anything WC3 had. And Flash is the top dog there. What he has done is simply far more impressive because of the level of competition. It is the same as, say, in motor sports: you will find many different ways to race but some are more competetive than others. If Flash had played WC3, I have no doubt that he would have dominated it as well. If BW Koreans had migrated to WC3, you wouldn't have had Moon dominating the game. If Moon had played BW, I think he could've been an A-teamer but nothing special (although that it in and of itself is quite special). I am not saying Moon isn't talented or good. He is great. But he was succesful in a game that simply wasn't that competetive.

And the fact of the matter is that Moon has already played SC2 full-time. He was technically splitting his time over WC3 and SC2 insofar as there were tournaments for both. He didn't attend any WC3 tournaments for quite a while meanwhile attending SC2 tournaments. That is why he practised SC2 and not WC3. (He said in an interview that he focuses on the game that has tournaments.)

I am not saying Moon will suck. But he simply will not dominate. Nor will he ever win GSL. You can quote me on this.

On January 18 2012 20:08 Squeegy wrote:


I'll reply to this particular post while of course answering everyone else.

When you look at the tournament results over the course of SC2, you will find that BW foreigners have done just as good if not better than WC3 foreigners. WC3 foreigners are not dominating the scene, that is simply not true. Start going through the results if you don't believe me, you'll be surprised. Currently, the duo Stephano and Naniwa could be better than any duo BW foreigners could field but I am not entirely convinced about that. In either case, ingoring that, you will find that BW foreigners can field a team that is just as deep as WC3 foreigners' team.

I have always said that WC3 scene seems to have had a talent pool at the level of BW foreigners. But once you add the Koreans into the equation you will find that BW talent pool is far larger and deeper than WC3's. Korean BW was simply far more competetive than anything WC3 had. And Flash is the top dog there. What he has done is simply far more impressive because of the level of competition. It is the same as, say, in motor sports: you will find many different ways to race but some are more competetive than others. If Flash had played WC3, I have no doubt that he would have dominated it as well. If BW Koreans had migrated to WC3, you wouldn't have had Moon dominating the game. If Moon had played BW, I think he could've been an A-teamer but nothing special (although that it in and of itself is quite special). I am not saying Moon isn't talented or good. He is great. But he was succesful in a game that simply wasn't that competetive.

And the fact of the matter is that Moon has already played SC2 full-time. He was technically splitting his time over WC3 and SC2 insofar as there were tournaments for both. He didn't attend any WC3 tournaments for quite a while meanwhile attending SC2 tournaments. That is why he practised SC2 and not WC3. (He said in an interview that he focuses on the game that has tournaments.)

I am not saying Moon will suck. But he simply will not dominate. Nor will he ever win GSL. You can quote me on this.

On January 18 2012 20:44 fams wrote:


You are off your rocker.

1. The current Warcraft 3 "foreigners" you keep mentioning were not top Warcraft 3 players. Stephano was never considered "professional" in Warcraft 3 I'm saddened to say. Naniwa, ThorZaiN, Satiini, DeMusliM and a few more - were never on the level that Grubby, Moon and ToD were. They were damn good don't get me wrong, their skill levels were very high, most even considered professional for a time - but they never won major tournaments like ESWC or WCG, etc.
My point here being that, these were not "the top" players in the world (some not even in Europe) and yet they are some of the most phenomenal Starcraft 2 players we have ever seen. They represent themselves, for the most part*, as professionals not only in the game, but outside as well.


2. Other than the ones already mentioned, Professional Korean Warcraft 3 players either still play Warcraft 3, or quit eSports altogether.
- Shy: Players Poker
- Fov: In Military
- Lucifer: Plays Warcraft 3 in China
- Moon: Up until today, played Warcraft 3, Starcraft 2 and Heroes of Avalon (combined with sponsor work while in WMF)
- Lyn: Plays Warcraft 3, Starcraft 2 and while in WMF played Heroes of Avalon combined with sponsor work
- ReMinD: Full time focus on Warcraft 3, plays Starcraft 2 on the side
- FoCuS: Plays Warcraft 3 full time and studies on the side
- SoJu: I am unsure, but I think military
- Susiria: Quit playing after Beta phase, unsure of activity now
- Space: Plays WoW and Warcraft 3

That leaves you with whom? maka (never professional Warcraft 3) and Check (coached and managed/founded Prime and has performed well on top of that).

3. How is Warcraft 3 not considered competitive? It was, next to Counter-Strike, the largest eSport in the Western world - it's skill level was massive. Saying Flash would just waltz over and drop Moon on his head if he played Warcraft 3 is insulting. Moon was and I am sure still is, widely regarded as one of the best gamers in the world - even by BW professionals.

4. Moon has done more for eSports and professional/competitive gaming than you can possibly comprehend. The amount he has sacrificed in order to become what he is today, and share that and promote that with the rest of the world is amazing.

Show some respect.