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On December 30 2011 20:51 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote: Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.
The future sounds awesome. You are so wrong. We will be like, shut up kid SC3 is a terrible game, SC2 was the real deal. I'll be all like Back in my day, workers used to bring in EIGHT minerals. Now the lazy generation has emphasized, and workers only bring in five minerals now. Stalkers? HA! Dragoons were the true Protoss warriors.
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Fnatic made a great video explaining esports in general. I think it would be a good place to start. + Show Spoiler +
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On December 30 2011 20:53 Chaosvuistje wrote: It's kinda like the yelling you guys do to eachother, but over the internet and without getting other people involved in it.... ;_; .
I really don't bother explaining it to my parents. I've tried once, saying that it was similar to playing risk or chess, but they just dismiss it as sitting behind a computer screen. And other people sitting behind it watching someone else waste their lives away -_- . It's pretty much a lost cause in my case, I'd rather pay attention to the current generation rather than the previous one. My thoughts exactly. Which is weird of me to say, because my father has expressed interest in the game from time to time. I even have linked him to the daily 100. Idk if he watched the whole thing though, I'm pretty sure he maybe watched the first 5 min or skimmed thru it which I guess is fine because it's 2 hrs long. As a business student, I tried to explain esports to him and validate it as the next big thing (which i wholeheartedly believe it is); and tried to put into perspective the size and scope of some of the major tournies; and that some players are making huge salaries etc.
He just could not see it under the same light. I mean, I think he recognizes my passion but does not necessarily think that it's the best use of my time.
He overheard me telling my friend that I got promoted a few months back, and he told me that he was happy i got promoted so I can finally stop playing the game "since now I mastered it."
He still looks at it as some game that once you beat, you move on to something else. I gave up trying to validate esports to him after that..
Not even worth trying to explain it to my mom. If every second is not spent either studying, making resumes, and applying to jobs it is a waste of time in her eyes ^.^
My dad introduced StarCraft to me when I was less than 8 years old. My mum thinks its good, she watches me play every now and then but she doesn't really get it, have yet to sit down with her and watch GSL because she's always so busy.
Okay this is fucking awesome. If I was in your position, I would very much try to teach my mom. Seems like she would enjoy that If she expresses interest in enjoying the spectator aspect of the game, it is much more enjoyable if you know what is going on.
Also, tell your dad that i am up for adoption :D
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Explain the key elements of the game in a manner that parents understand.
Trying to make them understand that SC2 which may be sidelined in their minds as a "video-game" actually plays a lot like speed chess with great hand/eye coordination and fast reflexes. If you have professional chess players, then we have professional starcraft 2 players. Top players earn along the likes of $250,000 per year - sc2earnings.com only from tournaments. Sponsorship revenue is not included in that.
Hope that helps you =)
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i think the issue I have with explaining sc2 to other people is not the game itself, but as to why it's entertaining to watch. I usually compare it to sports and people have trouble trying to refute why sports are not that much different.
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i would never do such a thing. and they wouldnt be interested.
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On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote: Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.
The future sounds awesome.
Imagine if you didnt said to kid anything about your gaming past and tell him "sit down, lets try 1v1" and roflstomp him as hell. That would be cool. And for each loss he must be a living table for your legs and beer. God I would like kid now
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On more than one occasion I had to explain to people with no knowledge of computers, or video game strategy, that is SC2. The way I try to make is the following:
- A strategy game like chess, only that there are no turns, players play simultaneously (or in real time). Note that the game is framed in a sci-fi / futuristic.
- The game is basically to collect some resources with which to build things, whether buildings, units for your army, or improvements to it. The player who destroys the opponent's base first is the winner.
- The units perform different roles. Some are weak and fast, others are heavy and strong, some are terrestrial, others are aircraft ... etc, etc.
- If we were to put it simply, the fastest player to gather resources and invest better, have the best army and thus win his rival. But there are many factors that influence the battle. The topography of the map, the composition of armies (units), and because it is a strategy game is very important position on the map, know when to attack, knowing how to defend, and generally know how to move with the troops the best way possible.
- For the game has more variety and more interesting, the creators have split the game on 3 different factions. Thus the strategy and gameplay changes depending on facing sides. By having different types of units, buildings and modes of gameplay ... each faction enters more or less in a particular style of play.
- The three factions are: Terran: the human race, Protoss, technologically advanced aliens, and Zerg, other insect-like alien / bug, totally focused on brute force rather than technology.
That at least would be the first lesson. From here, if interested, could expand more concepts in a second lesson :D.
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Economic game in which at any moment you choose between increasing your income (by expanding), your quality (by teching), or your quantity (by building army). That creates various combinations of situations and timings. Don't forget to emphasize tech-trees - to build more and more complex and powerful units, you need to build specific buildings, which in turn unlock even more advanced buildings and units.
I would use analogy to modification of chess - in which you start with only pawns which generate income the more they are, and any other pieces you have to unlock and pay for, with your income. So you could make even more pawns and increase your total income, or just get a massive army of Knights and attack asap, or unlock the usage of Bishops/Rooks and then attack with more advanced (but smaller) army.
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I reccomend sending them to the after hours gaming league.
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I don't think you are explaining it the proper way. I wouldn't introduce you to hockey by explaining the breakout, regroup and offensive zone set up. I would show you the amazing goals and all the really exciting stuff and tell you why it is so exciting. This makes it fun first. Then as you watch more I would go into the details, starting broad and becoming more narrow as you understand more as you continue to watch more hockey.
Naturally, people like to watch stuff they find excting. I would first focus on the exciting stuff and then as they watch and start to ask questions, then introduce stuff about economy, army composition, micro, etc.
If you explain it with all the details first, no one will become interested because it sounds boring. I also would start with TvZ if you like Terran because TvT is long and boring to watch unless you like seeing tanks unsiege and siege.
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Any comparison to chess is a bad idea... really for technologically dis-inclined parents, any technical explaination will never work. Big army vs bigger army. You need money for army. Keep it simple, stupid. You're dealing with Apple's demographic afterall.
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Alien vs Predator, with humans thrown into a more prominent position than the movies.
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On December 30 2011 20:51 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote: Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.
The future sounds awesome. You are so wrong. We will be like, shut up kid SC3 is a terrible game, SC2 was the real deal.
LOL here's a conversation I had with my dad:
me: yo dad, have you watched the GSLs? dad: yeah, i watched the open seasons, and sc2 is just bad terrans cheesing, sc1 is the real deal
Thankfully, he started watching the Code S seasons, and he thinks they're ok.
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On December 31 2011 02:12 Ownos wrote: Any comparison to chess is a bad idea... really for technologically dis-inclined parents, any technical explaination will never work. Big army vs bigger army. You need money for army. Keep it simple, stupid. You're dealing with Apple's demographic afterall. And they would want to watch this because? Where's the challenge, where's the intrigue, what makes this so interesting?
to quote the OP: "in hopes of getting them to watch it as fervently as they would watch their favorite athletic sport"
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Well, the best way to explain the races to them would be to tell them that the Zerg are based of Alien and the Protoss Predators and the Terran Humans. Both true and something they could relate to. As for getting them into, thats probably tougher. Having them see you play is probably best, or watching you watch a stream. My sister only knows about starcraft from listening to me go on and on about it and from watching me play or watch streams. So every now and then she'll be watching a stream and be like "wow, they move really fast" or watch me jumping through my hotkeys to inject and be like "I'm getting dizzy". Or when she saw me scouting on Metalopolis, she said "this level is really cool looking" or something like that. And thats with me playing on lowest graphics settings.
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On December 30 2011 20:51 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote: Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.
The future sounds awesome. You are so wrong. We will be like, shut up kid SC3 is a terrible game, SC2 was the real deal.
Well I guess there are always nostalgics If they make a good job at SC3, if they even make it, people should judge it by the game itself
Some people were even like >> I loved Oblivion, but Skyrim was a huge dissapointment << This happens if you have too high expectations
I definetley would love the starcraft series to go on
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It is a game you play against other people ! Oh you play with real people ?! how suprising go on, we approve.
So simply mention other real people and you explaind the main point they want to hear about. Don't expect your parents to watch mental sports, that will only happen if they play the same.
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Imo I think the best description I've ever heard, and the one I used to describe it to my Dad is that its like Chess in real time, but it not only requires thinking ahead, but also requires that you translate that thinking into fast keystrokes and mouse movements.
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Try to get your parents to watch the Day 9 Daily #100, mine got a little understanding of it from there, shows the competitive side quite well also. Also the "1 Year of Starcraft" Video is good also, showcases a bunch of tournaments!
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