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Effay
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States153 Posts
January 03 2012 00:08 GMT
#221
The chess comparison is a terrible one. Chess is a turn based game with complete information (everyone sees the whole board at all times) and is mostly symmetric, and Starcraft is a real time game with information being hidden.The only similarity between the two games is that they're 'strategy' games lol.

The best way to describe the game to a layman is 'A strategy game where two players manage resources to build an army and destroy the other player'.
Obsession: The weak minded's name for dedication
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 03:05:11
January 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#222
On January 03 2012 09:08 Effay wrote:
The chess comparison is a terrible one. Chess is a turn based game with complete information (everyone sees the whole board at all times) and is mostly symmetric, and Starcraft is a real time game with information being hidden.The only similarity between the two games is that they're 'strategy' games lol.

The best way to describe the game to a layman is 'A strategy game where two players manage resources to build an army and destroy the other player'.

I know it's a bad comparison, but on the most basic level, "the army is trying to kill the different colored army", is all most people need to understand

to your average layman, chess is a super complicated war game, and that's all they know about chess
likewise, it's all they really need to know

so in trying to espouse the wonders of e-sports to people who don't play games, framing it in that light is good, because furthermore, in most people's mind, chess = the only board game they have tournaments for

of course to us the comparison makes no sense, but unless you're in your early teens the odds are pretty good your parents can't tell the difference between super mario and starcraft. comparing the game to chess then at least gets you in the same ballpark of seriousness and difficulty, and you might be able to make some headway from there.

on the flip side, if your parents happened to be chess grandmasters, then i can see why the analogy would falter a bit, but i have a feeling that is not likely
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Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 06:20:01
January 10 2012 03:12 GMT
#223
i would actually try to explain the competitive atmosphere around starcraft pros people who actually make a living out it first, like destiny out of streaming, day9 daily and how he travels around the world to cast tournaments infront of huge audiences, team houses, personalities(idra raging, YES! RAGGE), etc. how everyone tries to go to korea to show how good they can do vs the best players, show them something like videos of the mlg stage before games where players dizz each other and stuff like that. someone who actually dosent care/know about starcraft will fail to care/undestarstand such a complicated game if you try to present it in its raw form as they will see it boring and dull. if they have time make them watch day9 #100 special. show them a cast of a very good serie of a final and a ladder game and talk about why you do things without going into much detail, after that explain them the game. its pretty important that the last thing you show them is how the game works in detail. but some people arent worth it because they are dicks and they just dont know!
:D
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
January 10 2012 03:18 GMT
#224
On January 01 2012 04:37 tdt wrote:
Would never happen since both my parents hate video games and even TV and think them a waste of life. I actually agree on the TV part - But video games are active entertainment requiring input but they don't buy it.

time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.
:D
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
January 10 2012 16:35 GMT
#225
I never try and explain the game and how it works until I feel someone is actually interested, i.e. they ask what exactly is going on. I recently explained my interest as best I could to my sister's boyfriend who I don't think has so much as played a console. He works in a resturant. Doesn't follow sports even.

I got him fairly interested by starting off by stating that it's a very widely played (global) game with professional players and huge sponsors. When people hear things like 'sponsored by Samsung' I think they cross a mental barrier - if Samsung can take it seriously so can I. Talking about the money helps in the same way. This can segue in to talking about teams, players and who you care about and why, what it is you have emotionally invested.

This may have all been said, couldn't get through all 12 pages up to now, but I think the best bet is to get them to care, not understand.

If I knew every rule going about football you couldn't get me to watch Chelsea vs. Man Utd. But if you told me that some team had spent 50 years in their league, lost the first half of the games in the season and staged an epic comeback needing 3 points from this game to prevent relegation...well I'd probably watch that if it was pub five-a-side quality because I'd actually care about the story.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 10 2012 16:38 GMT
#226
On December 30 2011 20:51 Jakkerr wrote:
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On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote:
Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.

The future sounds awesome.


You are so wrong.
We will be like, shut up kid SC3 is a terrible game, SC2 was the real deal.


And then the real parents will be like "shut up kid, BW was the real deal"
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#227
I got my dad into watching SC2. This was my method:

First I picked out a really simple easy to follow game that was reasonably exciting from each mirror matchup. PvP is the best starting point in my opinion because it's typically low on base numbers with few units running around and if you pick a good game it's easy to see how micro can save the day.

The mirror matchups allow your viewer to get a good idea of each race one at a time without looking at non-mirrors and trying to learn the playstyles of two races at once.

During said games I would turn off the sound and try to commentate it myself, explaining things really dumbed down as the game is going on. You need to explain broad concepts like worker management and vision are important etc, but they'll also want to know specific things like WTF is a Marine is it any good. At the start I completely ignored upgrades and just said things like "Immortals beat Stalkers but Stalkers are faster" etcetera.

After a few such starter games I moved on to a really exciting game, one that's the best of the best and back and forth so they can see how intense a really great game can be. You want to pick out the games you show them. The first games they see are important because if they're one sided or over too quickly they'll think it's pretty stupid, but if it's clearly going back and forth and takes a long time and the casting is good they may think differently.

After THAT we watched a team league set together, because IMO team leagues involve more strategy and you can see the players and the teams more often, and it's better at showing the human side of the game.

After all that, now my dad watches tournaments with me. It's pretty great.
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TSM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Great Britain584 Posts
January 10 2012 16:50 GMT
#228
On December 30 2011 20:50 Chargelot wrote:
Dude, just imagine, someday we're gonna be the parents. And we'll be getting our asses explained off by our children... Who are really into SC3.

The future sounds awesome.


the future sounds awesome until it happens.

well i am quite young and my dad played the sc1 campaigns so hes kinda interested but my mum has nothing to do with it and thinks my PC is the antichrist
The person to smile when everything goes wrong has found someone to blame it on - arthur bloch **** tl:dr *user was banned for this post*
FADCoUltra
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada73 Posts
January 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#229
Like people already pointed out, most parents already have their minds made up on video games, hard to convince them otherwise.

But who knows, may yours are very open minded, and like to support you after you show them how much passion you have.

So I would take it slow, explain one little bit at a time. If you're too eagered and try to to expalin all the awsomeness at once, you'll loose them pretty quick, just a couple of things every time, over the course of a couple of month, gotta be patient.
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