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jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
December 20 2011 19:45 GMT
#81
On December 21 2011 03:25 Roxy wrote:
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On December 20 2011 19:16 jnkw wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:49 Roxy wrote:

Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg



Definitely possible to FFE on Arid, even though it's a bit ugly. See my post here.


My problem with FFE is that as far as I can see it, you need 3 canons to stop roach agression. In the pictures you provided, they can pick off the cyber core (gg) or the gateway (and run into your main) pretty much uncontested.

Also, that picture has 2 artosis pylons in it.

I think you have the titles of entombed and arid mixed up on the two pictures.


Yeah, you're right about me mixing up the map names.

Regarding Artosis pylons -- you're pretty much bound to have one with any FFE. You just have to make sure to add redundant power at some point after you drop the Nexus.

Roach aggression can be really strong against any FFE. It's not unreasonable that you'd need at least 2 (possibly 3) cannons in the case of heavy aggression.
Unnamed Player
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia89 Posts
December 20 2011 22:28 GMT
#82
On December 20 2011 23:56 KeksX wrote:
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On December 20 2011 21:55 Unnamed Player wrote:
On December 20 2011 08:01 Luckbox wrote:
OP plays zerg? :D ( from downvoted maps appearance ).


Yerp

And you didn't downvote shak and taldarim where taking a third is next to impossible ZvP and attacking into the natural a pain in the arse?

But you did downvote xel naga caverns because it has the exact same problems, I guess?


Maybe i downvoted XNC for different reasons to you?

I don't like the really open natural and lack of actual bases, hard to take or defend third and terran on the gold with a planetary.

I don't have any issue with Shak or Taldarim and taking thirds (next to impossible?)and they are two of my more favoured maps but of course i don't play at the top level so maybe that's got something to do with it.

However i think a lot of it is just personal preference and playstyle. Something that might give you a lot of trouble might be quite easy for me and visa versa.
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