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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
Anyone not on the SEA server if you haven't used your bonus pool and are pushing for promotion jump on and ladder as season 5 will be coming to you soon enough. Haven't noticed any other changes other than season 5 and this might be why it was implemented so early this morning as we normally don't get changes this early. ![[image loading]](http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2993/28734560.jpg) | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
they said 1340 points on europe is gm level, i bet you i dont get gm anyway :/ thanks for answer @ guy below me wed-thursday night i guess @ guy 2 below me  | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Mackem
United Kingdom470 Posts
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Gemini_19
United States1246 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:22 Mackem wrote: Wonder when Season 5 will go live on EU. The day after it goes live for US, just like always. | ||
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Mazaire
Australia217 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:22 Mackem wrote: Wonder when Season 5 will go live on EU. Probably tuesday. On December 20 2011 07:24 Lyter wrote: wednesday morning for EU, same as every other update ever Then I guess they only use the west coast's tuesday ^_^ | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:31 Torte de Lini wrote: Any changes to the map-pool besides the new maps? Added to the op. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:37 soulist wrote: So when does the patch go live for the us? tomorrow morning | ||
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soulist
United States932 Posts
cool thanks | ||
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MonkeyMaan
Denmark40 Posts
SEA on monday USA on tuesday Europe wednesday Don't know about other regions | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:49 MonkeyMaan wrote: Normally it's: SEA on monday USA on tuesday Europe wednesday Don't know about other regions I'm not sure about CN, but KR gets it on Wednesday after Europe does. | ||
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killer1nz
New Zealand164 Posts
edit; looks like the smoky areas are larger now, could be wrong. | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:49 MonkeyMaan wrote: Normally it's: SEA on monday USA on tuesday Europe wednesday Don't know about other regions It's actually tuesday on sea aswell, just not tuesday for you guys :p | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
Absolutely don't like the mappool as a protoss though | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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killer1nz
New Zealand164 Posts
On December 20 2011 08:04 Elefanto wrote: LOL the description from arid Absolutely don't like the mappool as a protoss though there's two entrances to the natural as well so forge expand is probably out of the question, zergs may have to get 2 spines vs hellion openers and a bunker wont cover the natural so 1 rax expand on low ground isn't gonna work either. taking a 4th looks fairly easy once you've secured a 3rd though, imo. entombed looks really easy to take a third (just two medium sized ramps leading up both) the natural leads through into the 3rd via destructible rocks but mutas will probably be hard to deal with for protoss players because of how easy it looks to navigate through the main / natural and 3rd mineral lines with them. | ||
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BioTech
Australia264 Posts
And why not some new 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 maps? Id like to see a map where people are separated by destructible rocks. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5520 Posts
On December 20 2011 10:26 BioTech wrote: why do all maps have to be symmetrical?! why not throw in some weird ones, or island maps. I mean if ppl dont like em they can use their 3 exclusions to avoid them. And why not some new 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 maps? Id like to see a map where people are separated by destructible rocks. island maps have proven to be imbalanced towards terrans I believe. (planetary+turrets=near invinvible?). it would be unfair to make players lose a veto by default basically because of an imbalanced map. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10363 Posts
On December 20 2011 08:15 Devolved wrote: Ugg, how is Xel Naga still on there? David Kim get over yourself. It's not a good map! Just veto it. Even if you don't want to waste a veto on an bad map, without it arid plateau would be the only 2 player map, and the noobier players might want to play on more 2 player maps. On December 20 2011 14:05 jimminy_kriket wrote: island maps have proven to be imbalanced towards terrans I believe. (planetary+turrets=near invinvible?). it would be unfair to make players lose a veto by default basically because of an imbalanced map. Although, there are ways to balance it somewhat, such as putting a neutral creep tumor there to help zerg expand and put up spines/spores, and to slow down a terran. You could also make it unbuildable, for example, so he can't spam turrets, while you can still defend with the mutas that you should probably already have. You could make it have less mineral patches, since Terran usually doesn't need more gas. Perhaps you could put some cliffs around the expansion so you can drop a few infestors and kill the PF with ITs. You could siege up those areas yeah but you should have mutas, and ovies for vision. | ||
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Xayvier
United States387 Posts
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On December 20 2011 08:01 Luckbox wrote: OP plays zerg? :D ( from downvoted maps appearance ). I downvote Xalnaga as protoss. Shit map that ends up being 1 base plays cause the nat is so open. Worst map to FFE on. vP and vT ends up being 1 base while watching the nat and as soon as one of you expands the other kills them. The only exception is when someone goes for something cheesy like DT or cannon rush and then the other person expands cause they know they are super far ahead. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10363 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:17 mrKamiya wrote: I wonder what maps to downvote as terran? I think Tal'Darim... idk about the other 2 ^^ reason being TvT is a pain on that map, I think it favors PvT a little due to large map = easy to warp in units all over? TvZ I think is pretty equal but I play mech so even though almost every game on that map for me is long, intense, and epic, I usually lose a little more than win I think, since it's just hard to mech on that map. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: I think Tal'Darim... idk about the other 2 ^^ reason being TvT is a pain on that map, I think it favors PvT a little due to large map = easy to warp in units all over? TvZ I think is pretty equal but I play mech so even though almost every game on that map for me is long, intense, and epic, I usually lose a little more than win I think, since it's just hard to mech on that map. Tal'Darim is shit in PvP too. It's the only '4 gate or die' map left. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:49 MonkeyMaan wrote: Normally it's: SEA on monday USA on tuesday Europe wednesday Don't know about other regions Well, for us actually here it's already Tuesday (Aus) but what ever  This is something to look forward too when I get home in a couple of hours | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:22 Kharnage wrote: Tal'Darim is shit in PvP too. It's the only '4 gate or die' map left. i think TDA in general is not a good map. | ||
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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:22 Kharnage wrote: Tal'Darim is shit in PvP too. It's the only '4 gate or die' map left. ZvZ is a biatch too, cuz people can just go mass expand early game into 4 base mass mutaling or some shit like that. Not hard, it's just annoying. And I've had Tal'Darim voted down since the last map update, just cuz it favors toss so much in the early mid game. | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: I think Tal'Darim... idk about the other 2 ^^ reason being TvT is a pain on that map, I think it favors PvT a little due to large map = easy to warp in units all over? TvZ I think is pretty equal but I play mech so even though almost every game on that map for me is long, intense, and epic, I usually lose a little more than win I think, since it's just hard to mech on that map. Yeah taldarim is one of my vetoes. The map is really hard for me to win on in TvP and TvZ since it's just so fucking big. It's hard to put on pressure and mutas are a bitch to deal with on that map. | ||
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:02 Ben... wrote: Oh snap, this will be later today for NA. I just tilted like crazy and threw like 12 games. I wonder if I'll drop a league? I feel pretty confident that I'm gonna get demoted to diamond  . I'm rusty as shit since I couldn't play all last semester. | ||
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:53 killer1nz wrote: metalopolis required a download btw, not sure what if anything has changed though. edit; looks like the smoky areas are larger now, could be wrong. On Europe (don't know about the other regions) Metalopolis was broken since Season 4 when they disabled the close position, you couldn't be more than 4 players (2 players and 2 observers). The updated map fixes this. | ||
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spatz
Germany153 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
Placed into Masters, woooo | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg Tal-darim - 4gate Metalopolis - Cant FFE v zerg Xel'Naga - Cant FFE v zerg its pretty hard to FFE on Antiga, but it is managable if you get a little lucky | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On December 20 2011 16:58 IMoperator wrote: Yeah taldarim is one of my vetoes. The map is really hard for me to win on in TvP and TvZ since it's just so fucking big. It's hard to put on pressure and mutas are a bitch to deal with on that map. Yeah, Tal Darim is really hard for me to play TvZ on too. My pc is total shit and runs at an unplayable 4-6 fps in the late game so its pretty impossible for me to play marine tank. I usually just go for thor/hellion/ghost and play really really greedy. Works ~ok. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:49 Roxy wrote: but.. but.. i want to veto 4 of those maps + Show Spoiler + Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg Tal-darim - 4gate Metalopolis - Cant FFE v zerg Xel'Naga - Cant FFE v zerg its pretty hard to FFE on Antiga, but it is managable if you get a little lucky Are you FFEing at the ramp or using the nexus? It's very easy to do, just don't wall off the ramp...too big. You can't FFE on Shattered either, but Zerg can't get a third so it's still good. And PvP on Tal'darim is great! I beat a GM while still in Diamond on that map...consider that one matchup on that one map your chance to test pure execution and micro | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
Don't even get me started | ||
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ABear
United States161 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:49 Roxy wrote: but.. but.. i want to veto 4 of those maps + Show Spoiler + Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg Tal-darim - 4gate Metalopolis - Cant FFE v zerg Xel'Naga - Cant FFE v zerg its pretty hard to FFE on Antiga, but it is managable if you get a little lucky Lol you and me both. I suggest you do what I am doing and unveto Taldarim . And then either play arid or naga(metal has to stay vetoed cuz it's so shitty in pvz). I'd suggest unvetoing Naga cuz all the zergs veto that map due to TvZ imba so you won't play many zergs at all | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
Just played 30~ games today..... now rank 1 Diamond.... winning against masters........ going to take so long to get back into masters zzz | ||
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wOrD yO
Australia119 Posts
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Doganaws
Italy52 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2256706/Doganaws | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:45 Ruscour wrote: Blizzard couldn't decide whether to put in good or bad maps for Protoss, so they made one terrible and one amazing. Placed into Masters, woooo Dat map statement! Well, I know where 1 veto will go. Gratz on Masters | ||
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wOrD yO
Australia119 Posts
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:49 Roxy wrote: but.. but.. i want to veto 4 of those maps + Show Spoiler + Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg Tal-darim - 4gate Metalopolis - Cant FFE v zerg Xel'Naga - Cant FFE v zerg its pretty hard to FFE on Antiga, but it is managable if you get a little lucky You can FFE on meta, man up and do it! | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Waste of time otherwise. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
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jnkw
Canada347 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:49 Roxy wrote: Arid Plateau - Cant FFE v zerg Definitely possible to FFE on Arid, even though it's a bit ugly. See my post here. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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memcpy
United States459 Posts
On December 20 2011 18:32 Doganaws wrote: Hi there. 16° EU gold terran here 496 points. I know that mabye this is not the correct thread to talk abuot pomotion but... do you think someone whit this account can be promoted to plat in season 5 ??? http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2256706/Doganaws Probably not unfortunately, sc2ranks shows all the top gold league players having 800+ points. You probably need to be somewhere around there (assuming you used all your bonus pool). http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/eu/gold | ||
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Doganaws
Italy52 Posts
On December 20 2011 19:30 memcpy wrote: Probably not unfortunately, sc2ranks shows all the top gold league players having 800+ points. You probably need to be somewhere around there (assuming you used all your bonus pool). http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/eu/gold TNX man btw NOONE in my ladder reached the threshold given by blixxard (710 points from g to p)... so noone will pass? | ||
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
On December 20 2011 08:01 Luckbox wrote: OP plays zerg? :D ( from downvoted maps appearance ). Yerp | ||
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
On December 20 2011 22:03 Trealador wrote: I can do my placement on NA but the maps are still the same. Halp? No Arid or Entombed and still Narazim and Abysmal? | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On December 20 2011 22:03 Trealador wrote: I can do my placement on NA but the maps are still the same. Halp? try relogging, the (new) maps show up for my NA account. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
And you didn't downvote shak and taldarim where taking a third is next to impossible ZvP and attacking into the natural a pain in the arse? But you did downvote xel naga caverns because it has the exact same problems, I guess? | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 20 2011 23:56 KeksX wrote: And you didn't downvote shak and taldarim where taking a third is next to impossible ZvP and attacking into the natural a pain in the arse? But you did downvote xel naga caverns because it has the exact same problems, I guess? taking a 3rd is impossible ZvP on Shak? I dont know what league u play, but my opponents build their 3rd base at minute 4:30 - pretty safely. Im protoss, my vetos will be: Metalopolis (for zergs christ), XelNaga (too short), Arid Plateau (the natural looks like a big joke for protoss to take) | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 21 2011 00:00 KalWarkov wrote: taking a 3rd is impossible ZvP on Shak? I dont know what league u play, but my opponents build their 3rd base at minute 4:30 - pretty safely. Just watch usual ZvPs on Shak where the zerg gets a very quick third. I recommend korean games though as they show the full potential of abusing this. Personally, I veto'd xel, taldarim and shak because of this. I hate losing!>: Thinking about letting taldarim go though because taking the 4th instead of the third isn't nearly as dangerous on certain positions as on shak and I need another veto for valley. But as you can see, people have different opinions. | ||
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blae000
Norway1640 Posts
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 21 2011 00:20 blae000 wrote: Is it announced when it's going live on EU somewhere?! ^^ checking* It was mentioned earlier in the thread, wednesday morning. | ||
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ArtisaBang
195 Posts
forge expand for protoss on both maps: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgBpW.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W6I9J.jpg) i think Entombed Valley is definitely Terran map,siege positions good as Altarim. Entombed Valley: PvT > T favored with siege tank timings and positioning. PvZ > i think zerg favored because its pretty easy to taking 3rd. TvZ > terran favored imo! Arid Plateu hmm...i think this map is not good for zerg playes pretty okey for terran and protoss. | ||
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
On December 21 2011 00:28 ArtisaBang wrote: just checked maps! forge expand for protoss on both maps: + Show Spoiler + i think Entombed Valley is definitely Terran map,siege positions good as Altarim. Entombed Valley: PvT > T favored with siege tank timings and positioning. PvZ > i think zerg favored because its pretty easy to taking 3rd. TvZ > terran favored imo! Arid Plateu hmm...i think this map is not good for zerg playes pretty okey for terran and protoss.Yeah.... Terran is so imba... | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On December 20 2011 19:16 jnkw wrote: Definitely possible to FFE on Arid, even though it's a bit ugly. See my post here. My problem with FFE is that as far as I can see it, you need 3 canons to stop roach agression. In the pictures you provided, they can pick off the cyber core (gg) or the gateway (and run into your main) pretty much uncontested. Also, that picture has 2 artosis pylons in it. I think you have the titles of entombed and arid mixed up on the two pictures. | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
The maps right now are garbage. At best you can take 3 bases (and it certainly requires destroying rocks). The maps are all early game zerg favored. The maps are stale and havent been changed in about 3 seasons | ||
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jnkw
Canada347 Posts
On December 21 2011 03:25 Roxy wrote: My problem with FFE is that as far as I can see it, you need 3 canons to stop roach agression. In the pictures you provided, they can pick off the cyber core (gg) or the gateway (and run into your main) pretty much uncontested. Also, that picture has 2 artosis pylons in it. I think you have the titles of entombed and arid mixed up on the two pictures. Yeah, you're right about me mixing up the map names. Regarding Artosis pylons -- you're pretty much bound to have one with any FFE. You just have to make sure to add redundant power at some point after you drop the Nexus. Roach aggression can be really strong against any FFE. It's not unreasonable that you'd need at least 2 (possibly 3) cannons in the case of heavy aggression. | ||
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
On December 20 2011 23:56 KeksX wrote: And you didn't downvote shak and taldarim where taking a third is next to impossible ZvP and attacking into the natural a pain in the arse? But you did downvote xel naga caverns because it has the exact same problems, I guess? Maybe i downvoted XNC for different reasons to you? I don't like the really open natural and lack of actual bases, hard to take or defend third and terran on the gold with a planetary. I don't have any issue with Shak or Taldarim and taking thirds (next to impossible?)and they are two of my more favoured maps but of course i don't play at the top level so maybe that's got something to do with it. However i think a lot of it is just personal preference and playstyle. Something that might give you a lot of trouble might be quite easy for me and visa versa. | ||
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