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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:28 Snowbear wrote: How can you say that? Do you realise TvP is P favoured even WITH emp? Take away EMP and TvP would be impossible. You should talk to other terrans and ask them about tvp  TvP is not P favoured. + Show Spoiler + and everyone knows that | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:34 JOJOsc2news wrote: TvP is not P favoured. + Show Spoiler + and everyone knows that 1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291886 --> winrates from the highest level 2) since the winrates at the highest level point towards P being favoured, the winrates at the lower levels (high masters and below) will point even more towards P being favoured. Why? Because at the highest level terrans can abuse their race very well, with amazing micro and multitasking. Lower players can't micro and multitask like that, so they have a harder time. 3) talk to basicly any terran about TvP. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On December 16 2011 12:34 dacimvrl wrote: I still disagree with the Khaydarin Amulet changes. He states that the amulet upgrade simply makes Protoss players bring out the unit, use the storm, then forget about it. How does it even help when you have to make a harder decision to make it. 55s of build time, wait 25s to have it useful. Comparing to ghosts which cost a bit more mineral, but less gas, has the energy upgrade, could snipe twice right out of the barracks, and with the upgrade, has enough energy for EMP. Just saying that there's a parallel here, and there should be some sort of adjustment made to offset the problems caused by the removal of Khaydarin Amulet upgrade. The difference is you can't have Ghost spawn anywhere you want on the map. I would be fine with KA if High Templar could only spawn out of gatewys. | ||
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PaterPatriae
Germany428 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:41 TheSwamp wrote: The difference is you can't have Ghost spawn anywhere you want on the map. I would be fine with KA if High Templar could only spawn out of gatewys. KA should let High Templars warp in with like... +12 energy or faster energy regen instead of +25 energy. Warp in storms were dumb, but making the HT sit there for so long before it's capable of doing anything useful is kinda dumb too, especially when no other caster in the game has that issue (except for maybe the raven). That said, I can't wait for HOTS when terrans get to play mech vs. protoss. It's so dull playing against bio all the freaking time, although I am worried about battle hellions being too good vs. chargelots: extra hp and cone AoE instead of line AoE makes me die a little inside. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:30 PaterPatriae wrote: because toss have the sentry, that has 3 spells Merge archon is kind of a spell? No, I guess it isn't. Some casters even go further with an extra ability, like the infestor who can burrow + spells and the ghost who can cloak + spells. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 16 2011 20:00 Toadvine wrote: It always amazes me how these questions asked by pro players sound almost exactly like something taken straight from the B.Net forums. What's up with that, seriously? Are you really telling people to basetrade against muta/ling? I mean, why would you even think this is a good idea? Is that how you lose with Mutas against Protoss? I'm honestly confused. He clearly has no idea what he's talking about, he thinks having archons at your bases defends against mutas effectively. | ||
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Jurassic
Hungary79 Posts
On December 16 2011 19:14 Patate wrote: TvP is a nightmare because they have nerfed everything except the real problem: Marauders. For the sake of TvZ, they made the tanks useless in TvP. IMHO they should just revert to BW's terrans, and the problem would be solved Still we see more variety in SC2 Terran than in BW terran. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
 Anyway, in regards to PvT... Despite all the nerfs from both races in this respective matchup, the one thing that's still a problem is Marauders. Very cost effective to almost anything Protoss can throw except Immortals. Sometimes, even Immortals aren't enough either. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On December 16 2011 21:01 Hider wrote: Lol funny to see statisctics. At highest lvl of play tvp is 45-55. And most likely the stats are even more toss favored at master league level. Hope blizzard soon comes up with an intelligent fix for tvp. 45-55 really doesn't mean anything. TvP is all about the engagements. Poking collosi with vikings, trying to feedback ghosts, sniping high templars, drops. Nothing about it needs to be fixed. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
What the hell? Protoss have so many different strategies, especially compared to zerg. I think zerg is the race with least options in zvt and zvp | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 16 2011 21:01 Hider wrote: Lol funny to see statisctics. At highest lvl of play tvp is 45-55. And most likely the stats are even more toss favored at master league level. Hope blizzard soon comes up with an intelligent fix for tvp. I would say that is pretty balanced. | ||
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
On December 16 2011 21:13 Fjodorov wrote: "Protoss Play Style -- More variety please!" What the hell? Protoss have so many different strategies, especially compared to zerg. I think zerg is the race with least options in zvt and zvp I chuckled when I saw that question ^_^ | ||
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Jumonji
France60 Posts
Same ^^ zerg>>>>Shitting in your pant while you don't know if he is going for a 12 min push, 9 minute push, DT, mass air, light air + push , immortal archomte , or colossus high templar storm... Toss>>> " Well he is gonna make roach for sure " XD | ||
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anfield77
Germany7 Posts
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Jumonji
France60 Posts
Toss have good playstyle but more multitaskier (like terran) with less chance to win if you fail than defensive style | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On December 16 2011 18:42 laguu wrote: Just reduce marine damage from 6 -> 5 and you have the game fixed. They are simply too high dps. Sure, you can hard counter them with colossus etc but hard counters dont make a good game. Dumbest thing ive ever read right here... Terrans are doing bad lately so you want to nerf the most used unit in the entire terran army? -.- gj winning anything above bronze level if they nerf the marines | ||
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Louis8k8
Canada285 Posts
Or how about a slow 150/75 upgrade that increases EMP splash range? That might be good. As person who quit Protoss (too limited options, so many builds lost their effectiveness), the khaydarin amulet removal fucked up PvT and the EMP nerf gave T the shorter end of the stick in the Ghost vs HT battle. They need to do something to make EMP a little more effective but not as much as it used to be. Can't they just make the VR's fully charged beam orange (or any other color)? It's not that hard. Have the balance team ever considered Enriched Vespene Geysers? I want to know Blizz' opinion on those. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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