• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:43
CEST 06:43
KST 13:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League32Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1295.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War Hands of Pluto
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10106 users

Q & A With David Kim - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
345 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 18 Next All
HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
December 16 2011 17:34 GMT
#221
On December 17 2011 01:11 tapk69 wrote:
If i have 3 replicators and an observer i will make 3 ghosts as protoss and EMP their ghosts and medivacs ... or snipe the ghosts...

Protosses are the best race with a 200 supply army , so why they always try to win with a cheese strat on GSL ? maybe the problem is the economy i dont know... Ghosts are fine against protoss , and snipe is probably to good vs tier 3 zerg , but i like the fact that they know that they will unbalance the game with Hots in ways we never though it was possible..

I hope they release hots fast so that we can abuse the new units before the future nerfs...

The way i see the game right now :

TvZ : if terrans does nothing to zerg early they will drone and kill you fast
TvP : Terrans need to kill protosses ASAP,before they get upgrades and collusus, archons , HT ,chargelots in the same army
ZvP : same as TvZ ( zergs macro is to powerfull for mules and chrono boost


Z v Z is pretty insane , too fast .. spines should get more range , like the creep range or 10 range
P v P is better now , but hots will probably help
T v T is perfect , because terrans are perfect too

10 range on spine crawlers? Hahah wow, let's make spine crawlers broken.
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
December 16 2011 18:08 GMT
#222
No, all High Templars need is dat sexy blue shadow from SC:BW. Then Protoss will become magically the god race.
Paper117
Profile Joined June 2010
United States210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 18:24:14
December 16 2011 18:20 GMT
#223
On December 16 2011 12:35 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 12:32 Dingobloo wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:31 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:29 Dingobloo wrote:
Some additional info from the community manager too:


VTavilo said:

Very disappointed that there is zero points here addressing mech TvP, as well as lategame TvP in general.

You would think one of the lead and influential balance designers would have mentioned these things or pick up that the community is talking about them a lot.

TvP is in protoss favor, and mech was nerfed into the ground by blizzard themselves. They still are not addressing this and fixing it?

Even the statistics agree with player input right now, TvP flip flopped from 55% in Terrans favor to 55% in Protosses favor.

They obviously made a mistake in the last palance patch and it needs to be addressed.


Daxxarri said:

@VTavilo: These were concerns that were brought up by pro-players at G-Star, which occurred just as 1.4.2 was being applied. These weren't questions selected at random; they specifically reflect the feedback David received there.

I think it's worth mentioning that, at the time that the event was occurring, the match up heavily favored terran. Also, our numbers do not reflect the flip flop that you've cited.



Lol avilo.



Where did you find that quote? Also lol avilo.


Comment section


Thanks, I usually avoid the comment section on Blizzard's site.


Curiosity got the best of me this time. Some of them were really painful, like the kid challenging David Kim to a game--provided David Kim doesn't harass with mutas.


Anyway, I thought both the questions asked and the the answers given were a little underwhelming, but I at least appreciate the attempt to give us anything at all. Hopefully they don't take the shit storm comments too seriously and do more like this in the future.

On December 17 2011 03:08 Louis8k8 wrote:
No, all High Templars need is dat sexy blue shadow from SC:BW. Then Protoss will become magically the god race.


My vote is for dripping blue goo when immortals die. I wonder if that's the kind of thing they could add with the new HotS physics improvements. I can't stop getting excited at the thought of an immortal dying on a ramp and leaving a smear of blue mess running down to the bottom.
For the Swarm!
SymboliCs
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile4 Posts
December 16 2011 18:24 GMT
#224
always nice to hear from the developers
pd: this is my first post :D i always read but i never comment
Milo
Marcuz
Profile Joined September 2010
31 Posts
December 16 2011 19:06 GMT
#225
David kim-"sorry I can't take any more questions because my G6 is waiting to take me to a Playboy party, hard life for a pimp"
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
December 16 2011 19:31 GMT
#226
underwhelming responses
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
gosuMalicE
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:13:55
December 16 2011 20:13 GMT
#227
On December 17 2011 01:49 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 00:52 epicdemic wrote:
The protoss army is very slow. High templars have the speed of a battle cruiser, for example. Warp-ins compensate this fact, but if you manage to clear all pylons it's just like you are playing against terran mech. I feel that terran players don't take enough advantage of this fact, especially on a big map. As terran you need to be the aggressor (that's the whole idea of the race). You need medivacs anyway, so just drop as soon as he moves out of his base.

On December 16 2011 20:28 Snowbear wrote:
On December 16 2011 13:57 soulking wrote:
EMP should not be in the game at all...its crazy how fast my 100 food army can get crushed from 4 emp's...if Protoss and Terran are on the same mining rate then protoss cannot rebuild the army to deal with 4 emp's to the face.

EMP is way too good.


How can you say that? Do you realise TvP is P favoured even WITH emp? Take away EMP and TvP would be impossible. You should talk to other terrans and ask them about tvp


And why is the opinion of Protoss less relevant? :S



Because you are very bad if you think terran would even stand a chance without EMP.

They seemed to be doing more then fine for the first 10 months of the game, Terrans have been using EMP/ghosts in general for a very short amount of time.
I play Protoss, because lets face it, who doesn't love hyper-advanced Egyptian ninja-aliens that kill people with lightsabres attached to both arms?
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
December 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#228
I really hope they designed more than 3-5 units for each race. By that I mean having a back up plan in case a new unit needs replacement. This because the Protoss units look like shit. Shiny and gimmicky shit, but shit nonetheless.
No Strings. No attachments.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 16 2011 20:24 GMT
#229
On December 17 2011 05:17 SaYyId wrote:
I really hope they designed more than 3-5 units for each race. By that I mean having a back up plan in case a new unit needs replacement. This because the Protoss units look like shit. Shiny and gimmicky shit, but shit nonetheless.


Their "plan" is to go into early stages of beta, see what people think and go from there by changing things up as and when required.

No plan survives contact with the enemy and all that.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 16 2011 20:27 GMT
#230
On December 17 2011 05:17 SaYyId wrote:
I really hope they designed more than 3-5 units for each race. By that I mean having a back up plan in case a new unit needs replacement. This because the Protoss units look like shit. Shiny and gimmicky shit, but shit nonetheless.


My guess is if one of the Protoss units is not viable, they'll rework the carrier or mothership.
Everest9
Profile Joined July 2011
Nepal88 Posts
December 16 2011 20:31 GMT
#231
Very interesting read. Surprised to see Zerg whining about Larvae Management though, when as he says, it hasn't yet been mastered even at the highest level.

Thanks.
Hipsters gonna hip.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 16 2011 20:36 GMT
#232
At least hes paying attention to the community and clearing things up. Most corporate businesses release a game and dont pay attention the user base. Good job, Blizzard :D
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
December 16 2011 20:43 GMT
#233
Agree re: KA. It's a shame that P has to wait ~45 seconds in order to vaporize a 200 food army of roaches in just 2 quick waves of storms.
Zombo Joe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada850 Posts
December 16 2011 20:55 GMT
#234
On December 16 2011 21:54 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 18:42 laguu wrote:
Just reduce marine damage from 6 -> 5 and you have the game fixed. They are simply too high dps. Sure, you can hard counter them with colossus etc but hard counters dont make a good game.


Dumbest thing ive ever read right here...

Terrans are doing bad lately so you want to nerf the most used unit in the entire terran army? -.-

gj winning anything above bronze level if they nerf the marines


You guys are both clueless, Marines have 5 range

What needs to happen is Tanks need to be good in TvP because they have and always should form the backbone of the Terran army.
I am Terranfying.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:59:56
December 16 2011 20:58 GMT
#235
On December 17 2011 05:43 jdsowa wrote:
Agree re: KA. It's a shame that P has to wait ~45 seconds in order to vaporize a 200 food army of roaches in just 2 quick waves of storms.


HTs against roaches? That's barely cost efficient.
Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
December 16 2011 21:01 GMT
#236
On December 17 2011 05:55 Zombo Joe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 21:54 Pulimuli wrote:
On December 16 2011 18:42 laguu wrote:
Just reduce marine damage from 6 -> 5 and you have the game fixed. They are simply too high dps. Sure, you can hard counter them with colossus etc but hard counters dont make a good game.


Dumbest thing ive ever read right here...

Terrans are doing bad lately so you want to nerf the most used unit in the entire terran army? -.-

gj winning anything above bronze level if they nerf the marines


You guys are both clueless, Marines have 5 range

What needs to happen is Tanks need to be good in TvP because they have and always should form the backbone of the Terran army.


to make terran better, just remove colossus and give back reaver.

its not tank, although tanks + smartfire was overpowered. they could remove smartfire. but the real issue is and has always been colossus. vs marines, vs all zerg, etc.
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
December 16 2011 21:01 GMT
#237
On December 16 2011 17:42 Capiachi wrote:
1. People keep forgetting that when you can drop 15 mules at the same time it means the terran didn't have the economy he should have had earlier. Pooling energy is worse then using it consistently. I wouldn't mind a change on mules, but chronoboost and spawn larvae makes terran need something.

2. Gold bases were just getting some more tactics to them, alot of zergs started taking them again P for example. And Im sure they havn't played around enough with it. I think zerg had a decent way of handling any type of base right now(even planetaries). I think the main problem with golds is that we dont see protoss using them as much as zerg/terran.

4. I think that's a bit extreme, Leenock has shown some awesome play and very irritating baneling mines. His style is pretty "new" and underused. AND it makes terran economy worse. The reason we didn't see Lenoock win GSL was some unfortunete decisions from his side. I'm still very impressed.


I will still stand by my reasoning that Zerg is by far the best race, aslong as you know whats going on. There is so much potential in the race that I think once people figure zerg out completly it will very hard to handle.



Well if I pool energy on my queens I cant inject 15 times why should terrans be able to drop 15 mules?

Explain your second point a bit more how exactly do zerg have easy ways of handling planetary fortress? Like have you ever tried to kill a pf on shattered temple? Tanks marines and a pf on the gold with turrets. Like you can push into it but you will be losing a good deal of units in the process. Personally ive just had to resort to letting them have the gold and just hoping I can out macro them myself and that isnt a perfect solution. Protoss actually take it just fine with cannons id say they just prefer to take safer bases it might be a race difference.

Ill take your point about 4 but still I don't think he could have gotten to the final without the map changes but ill drop that point.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 21:07:12
December 16 2011 21:05 GMT
#238
On December 17 2011 05:58 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 05:43 jdsowa wrote:
Agree re: KA. It's a shame that P has to wait ~45 seconds in order to vaporize a 200 food army of roaches in just 2 quick waves of storms.


HTs against roaches? That's barely cost efficient.


In most situations, especially in pro games, it actually is not cost efficient. Colossi are FAR better vs Zerg ground units in general than HTs. HTs are mostly used because either Zerg has overcountered Colossi with Corruptors, or because Mutas/BLs are out.

EDIT: Or because of Infestors, althought HTs aren't a plausible fast response to seeing Infestors.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
December 16 2011 21:12 GMT
#239
On December 17 2011 06:05 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 05:58 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 17 2011 05:43 jdsowa wrote:
Agree re: KA. It's a shame that P has to wait ~45 seconds in order to vaporize a 200 food army of roaches in just 2 quick waves of storms.


HTs against roaches? That's barely cost efficient.


In most situations, especially in pro games, it actually is not cost efficient. Colossi are FAR better vs Zerg ground units in general than HTs. HTs are mostly used because either Zerg has overcountered Colossi with Corruptors, or because Mutas/BLs are out.

EDIT: Or because of Infestors, althought HTs aren't a plausible fast response to seeing Infestors.


Yeah, the issue here isn't that HT's are good against roaches, they aren't, but that a 200/200 roach army is just freaking terrible: you should never max on roaches against a protoss army that actually has good amounts of tech (like storm or colossi) in it. Roaches are a midgame army, you should have swapped a while ago if they can actually afford to blanket storm your entire army.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
December 16 2011 21:21 GMT
#240
So to sum this up, there are some concerns they are looking and possible changes will be implemented with HotS... I dont like that kind of thinking, also few things like mules/larvae mechanics are discussing in community for over a year and they still dont have any conclusions and still investigating this issues... I know balancing cannot involve rushed decisions but seriously after 1.5 year you still dont know if some mechanic are broken or not?
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
Continental Nation League S1
Liquipedia
BSL Open Qualifier
04:00
Pro & Gosu - Last Chance #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 178
Nina 50
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2676
GuemChi 1623
ProTech107
Aegong 55
Bale 18
Icarus 6
League of Legends
JimRising 762
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox768
Other Games
summit1g8050
WinterStarcraft454
PiGStarcraft281
Livibee185
Sick72
RuFF_SC231
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick660
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH275
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota259
League of Legends
• Rush1210
• Scarra1157
• Lourlo894
• Stunt284
Other Games
• Shiphtur852
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
6h 17m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 6h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.