• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:29
CEST 10:29
KST 17:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202532Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder8EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced48BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ 2025 Season 2 Ladder map pool Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 555 users

Season 5 Map Pool Changes Announced - Page 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
876 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 44 Next All
Nightfal
Profile Joined October 2008
United States77 Posts
December 15 2011 09:15 GMT
#381
i really hope for entombed valley that it's up and down only or cross position because the 3rd seems really hard to get for zvt. but then i'd guess that we'd just kill the rocks on the closed off 3rd but terran would still do a strong push in the narrow area of the 12o'clock
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
December 15 2011 09:15 GMT
#382
Nothing new for 2v2
The_Piper42
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States426 Posts
December 15 2011 09:15 GMT
#383
Great that TL's maps are being considered nice job!

Also thank god Nerazim and Abyssal are gone... now if only we could gradually shift towards the GSL map pool...
Boxer, White-Ra, Grubby, Flash fighting!
Gesh
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 09:18:00
December 15 2011 09:16 GMT
#384
I've got a question about the arid one: I suppose the spawn points will be upper left and bottom right, right? Because, if you spawn, say in the bottom left, the natural expansion (whatever it might be), will be pain in the ass to protect.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 09:26:16
December 15 2011 09:20 GMT
#385
On December 15 2011 17:56 Bulkers wrote:
Arid Plateau is pretty much a Xel'Naga Caverns... I dont like it because you cant forge expand

Entombed Valley, 2nd ramp pretty big = very hard to forge fast expand

That means I'll probably "Thumbs down" new maps + Xel'naga... I dont get it how Blizzard is so stubborn and did not take any maps from GSL (CALM BEFORE THE STORM FFS), dont get me wrong I still see progress from steppes of war and other maps but its still not even for all races. A lot of Pro protoss players said that if P dont Forge fast expand in PvZ then its almost impossible to win (f.e Naniwa) I agree its not maybe auto lose but your very behind (and 1g + exp is bad)


in fact you CAN FFE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295188


lots of surface area though, so you'll need more than normal vs. roaches. Decent jpg on the second page.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
ABear
Profile Joined June 2006
United States161 Posts
December 15 2011 09:20 GMT
#386
not a fan of these maps at all. ffe'ing looks painful on both of them, so they will most likely be vetoed. but then i'll have to unveto metal and have to play pvz on there t.t
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
December 15 2011 09:25 GMT
#387
they have some really wide open spaces, maybe they're a little zerg favored? i dont know, i love big maps so not going to complain.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
RuMCaKe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States559 Posts
December 15 2011 09:25 GMT
#388
I have a ton of respect for Blizzard, their keeping the maps that have a proven track record, and realized the last maps they released weren't so great. So awesome to see them acknowledge that they weren't good, and try to come up with something better!
twitter.com/RuMCaKeS
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
December 15 2011 09:33 GMT
#389
Definetely an improvement.

For a second I thought arid plateau had main bases with back rocks, blistering sands nightmare all over again ^^
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
December 15 2011 09:38 GMT
#390
For some people who are saying its difficult to FFe on Arid.. Please remember than you cannot generalize a build for all maps.. This is a good sign that you have to give respect to the map and terrain structure and I am not ranting because I am T or Z... I am protoss and I <3 FFE. but sometimes, you just need to 1gFE or 3gFE

Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
December 15 2011 09:43 GMT
#391
FFE is an opening and not a build. 1 gate expo is not viable when zergs go 14gas 14pool. That leaves only 3gate expo or 1base tech unless you're comfortable building 6 or 7 cannons when roaches show up.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
December 15 2011 09:44 GMT
#392
So blizzard is letting go of the gold minerals ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 15 2011 09:48 GMT
#393
On December 15 2011 18:16 Gesh wrote:
I've got a question about the arid one: I suppose the spawn points will be upper left and bottom right, right? Because, if you spawn, say in the bottom left, the natural expansion (whatever it might be), will be pain in the ass to protect.


It's a two player map, with spawns in upper left and lower right. You can tell by comparing the ramp sizes from those locations to the wider ramps of the other two. The others are wider.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
December 15 2011 09:49 GMT
#394
Entombed Valley seems like a terran favoured map from a zerg perspective. A tank behind the rocks to the third is incredible strong.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Gesh
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria69 Posts
December 15 2011 09:50 GMT
#395
On December 15 2011 18:48 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 18:16 Gesh wrote:
I've got a question about the arid one: I suppose the spawn points will be upper left and bottom right, right? Because, if you spawn, say in the bottom left, the natural expansion (whatever it might be), will be pain in the ass to protect.


It's a two player map, with spawns in upper left and lower right. You can tell by comparing the ramp sizes from those locations to the wider ramps of the other two. The others are wider.

Oh, yes, you are right, I haven't paid attention to this detail. Thank you very much!
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
December 15 2011 09:50 GMT
#396
On December 15 2011 18:43 Ravomat wrote:
FFE is an opening and not a build. 1 gate expo is not viable when zergs go 14gas 14pool. That leaves only 3gate expo or 1base tech unless you're comfortable building 6 or 7 cannons when roaches show up.


Dont get so technical on me yo! You know what I mean. You just cannot FFE every map.. We as tosses need to learn better openings/builds other than FFE..and thts how the game should work..Its really crappy sometimes to FFE and then see a zerg get on 3 base EZ PZ..3 base zerg with 6 gas is a nightmare to handle many times, unless you do a 2 base strong timing. Anyways.. I am looking fwd for Arid and how it plays out..Just need to smarten up and add finesse to your opening/BO
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 15 2011 10:00 GMT
#397
I have very mixed feeling of Arid plateu. As any protoss, I hate the natural layout (yes, there are screechots of wallings, but they are, to be honest, quite crappy and not safe at all), but the other bases are SO close to each other. I want to have six bases, all of the easy to cover with the main army! Who is gonna do anything about it?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
aquanda
Profile Joined January 2003
United States477 Posts
December 15 2011 10:03 GMT
#398
played around on both...dem maps gettin vetoed wooohooo
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
December 15 2011 10:08 GMT
#399
these maps just look so generic :/
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 15 2011 10:08 GMT
#400
Ironic how the main/nat/third setup on Entombed Valley is actually Steppes of War, but the map is in fact pretty good :O
Gj Blizzard!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 44 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 250
Hui .222
StarCraft: Brood War
Barracks 1738
ggaemo 432
Larva 393
ToSsGirL 248
Zeus 209
Rush 184
Mong 93
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Dota 2
XcaliburYe716
NeuroSwarm149
League of Legends
JimRising 607
Super Smash Bros
Westballz16
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor185
Other Games
summit1g3957
shahzam411
Happy186
SortOf172
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 2539
Other Games
gamesdonequick694
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 159
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH174
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling122
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
1h 32m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3h 32m
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
WardiTV European League
7h 32m
ShoWTimE vs Harstem
Shameless vs MaxPax
HeRoMaRinE vs SKillous
ByuN vs TBD
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 1h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 5h
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
1d 7h
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.