• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:02
CEST 06:02
KST 13:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)0Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer10Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Echoes of Revolution and Separation Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32762 users

Low level play: the "learning curve". - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 All
Synboi
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 22:08:32
December 15 2011 21:57 GMT
#101
I can give you a bit of advice, I only just left Bronze about a week or so ago(to Gold, I'm also a Zerg). It's a lot harder than just making drones/scvs/probes. In bronze you're going to basically see three types of play, ground all ins, mass air and crappy macro builds.

I used the standard Zerg safe build for myself(probably not the best but it worked for me in bronze):

build drones until you have 9 supply
then build overlord at 9 supply
then build drones until 14 supply
then build extractor and then pool (stick 3 drones on gas when extractor finishes and mine 100 gas then take them out, and start ling speed)
drone up to 15 drones
build queen at 15 supply
build overlord at 17 supply
build starter lings at 17 supply (need 2-6 lings = 1-3 larva worth) (also put 3 drones back on gas if you want/need gas units like banes/roaches)
build expand at around 22 food
build spine when expand is up if needed (aka silly harass marines/zealots)

extra stuff:
Lair at 40 supply (for the mutas :D!)
Roach Warren at around 30 supply
Build 3-4 spines if you see an all in coming and then get roach or ling/bane depending on composition




For Toss/Terran:

Scout tons in the game with sacrificial overlords/lings to find out what they're making in their base and what units their amassing at their gates (Scout with a drone when you build your 12th drone, and send overlords to the nearest 2 bases either side of you at the start of the game, then scout every 2 in game mins but try to keep some starter lings/your scouting drone running around their base to force them to follow you and distract them)

What you need to look out for is 2 base only with no expands and a shit ton of marines/stalkers/whatever is up there waiting above the ramp = 2 base ground all in. Then you need to get at least 3 bases (stay on two if he is just about to push out) and get some info on what sort of stuff he has, loads of marines/stalkers/zealots + tanks/immortals + maybe 1-2 Colossi = ling/bane + muta

If you see a ton of spines/cannons/turrets/bunkers then you know it's a 1-2 base air all in (much less likely with Terran but some tards go battle cruisers...). At this stage you get a few queens (aim for around 4-5 against void ray harass) rush to spire (try and get lair around 40 food) with two base and go for corrupter (better at killing air than muta but useless otherwise unless you get broodlords) if it is air only, but Muta can work well when they're in small numbers and is better for your counter push once you get roaches + Bane to destroy cannons/bunkers etc.

If you see them taking their third earlish (in bronze like 15-20 mins) then you know he wants to macro and you can go ahead and take as many bases as you like, just watch out for drops by spreading overlords and make sure your creep spread is up and you get the right unit composition for their army by scouting with overlord/some lings.

For Zerg:

This is a horrible matchup as it is very knife edge even at bronze (creep spread, not losing workers/queens to lings/banes and larva injecting are super super important here more so than other matches):

I prefer doing a 9 pool with ZvZ as you can apply early pressure and not risk getting an expand, but it can easily backfire (make sure you scout as well, I usually scout with 9th supply drone if going 14 pool/gas or 6th supply if doing 9 pool). You can do the 14 gas/pool build still but you need a spine crawler in the mineral line next to the pool once the pool is up to deter the lings, and your queen should stay wedged between the pool and the hatchery to prevent lings from killing it off. Once that is done transition to ling/bane and be really careful of his banelings and then you can transition with roach once his ling forces have been dealt with.

If you just see spine crawlers at his base... be worried he is getting fast mutas usually so drop the evo chamber and get some spores up and get another queen. Once lair is done you can get hyrdas to defend against them and go for a roach/hydra push, but in all honesty I feel like if I don't get to muta first then the game is over, but you can hinder him if you kill off his starting mutas with your queens/spores. One way if you're behind tech wise and he gets a few mutas you can immediately build more queens at your most likely two bases (kill off mutas and transfuse micro them), and then straight away just immediately pull all workers and worker/roach rush with as many as possible. You can in most situations easily kill off his base before he does yours in with mutas, and they'll GG as soon as they see it coming.


Also general things:

Always try to expand every 7 in game minutes.
Always Larva Inject (use the inject then shift + backspace and click method)
Always get upgrades through out the game for ground/flying(if you're using flying units which you should be, muta are awesome)
Always Spend your money, if you see above say 700 minerals (and you can't keep it down through spending on drones/units, drop down another macro hatch or expand)
Always aim for around 60-70 drones total (if some die you make more) it should be 24 drones for minerals on both bases + 3 on each gas so for bases = 48 + 12 = 60 drones :D!!!! (you can check this by cntrl clicking a drone to see how many you have and just selecting them normally)

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
Prev 1 4 5 6 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 GSL S2 - Ro8 Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ROOTCatZ 356
Nina 193
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19972
HiyA 277
PianO 155
Shine 107
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
yabsab 15
Icarus 10
Sea 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1326
NeuroSwarm65
League of Legends
Trikslyr71
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1200
Other Games
summit1g6881
C9.Mang01109
shahzam850
WinterStarcraft488
Maynarde132
Mew2King100
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1527
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH293
• practicex 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt446
Other Games
• Scarra1108
• Shiphtur157
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
5h 58m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
WardiTV Qualifier
11h 58m
PiGosaur Monday
19h 58m
RSL Revival
1d 5h
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
4 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.