• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:59
CEST 23:59
KST 06:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft? Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5342 users

Are GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem? - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 19 20 21 Next All
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
December 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#61
If the topic of your OP can be answered with "no", don't write it
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
December 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#62
GOM's running a business, they need to please their viewers, and they'll do whatever it takes. They can't afford to have the integrity to go against the wishes of the masses. Maybe in a few years their position will be strong enough to do such a thing, but it's way too early right now. In essence, yes, they're handing out punishment based on fan reactions, rather than the rules themselves, and since the fans are idiots with a herd-mentality, it comes out the way it does.

Still, insulting Naniwa by calling him a money-grubbing amateur was totally uncalled for. That, they did not need to do, and it looks way more unprofessional than what Naniwa himself did. Next thing you know Code S qualification is going to be based on a popularity contest, with the casters doing stand-up comedy during the breaks.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#63
You are stupid if you think that a professional gamer, being required to be professional is considered arbitrary. One day when you get a job that means shit and puts you in the scrutiny of others perhaps you'll understand. Act like a kid and you'll be treated like a kid, especially when it's a job.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#64
On December 14 2011 21:00 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.

Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.

Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.


since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live?


Having to play a consolation match is also standard practice in most tournaments. If it isn't televised and there is other stuff going on like at MLG, perhaps this sort of stuff is okay, but if they are depending on you with cameras on and there is hype still going into the match, you really ought to try and give a good show, even if it is not the most competitive play in the world. GOM pays the bills with broadcasting, if they cant broadcast good games, stuff gets cut. Its in the interest of the gamer to support the industry who you are expecting to get a check from, and not be just a leech.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:08:08
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#65
On December 14 2011 21:05 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:00 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.

Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.

Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.


since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live?


A fake game with the illusion of real competition is what the Koreans want.

But then they pretend its about fans/pride/honor.

Where was Nesteas honor when he purposefully gave MVP the win at Blizzcon finals? That game had a 25k difference in 1st and 2nd place. (Most likely split the difference...) Naniwas was literally meaningless.

Please do not make the naive assumption that skipping meaningless games detract from your pride and honor. That is what I am getting at.


every sports in the world is exactly the same, and they all receives heavy punishment as well if you pull any stunts like that. I guess all sports are all fake honor and pride then right?

and seriously your accusation without proofs is not something a logical person would do. Where is your proof that Nestea purposely throw away the game? I'm not sure why I am even wasting my time responding to a conspiracist.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:10:17
December 14 2011 12:07 GMT
#66
On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.

Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.


Which would be perfectly fine.

Have you seen a Grand Slam final?
There is an immediate loser interview (before the Winner interview)... Why? Because people are interested in this.

If you want to become a professional athlete you better stop being a fucking crybaby when you lose or feel like the game yo have to play now is pointless. YOUR JOB SOMETIMES SUCKS, no matter what job, DEAL WITH IT.
Actually you can be a crybaby, but you have to man up and do what your paid to do, which is aside from playing also giving interviews and represent your team.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:07:50
December 14 2011 12:07 GMT
#67
On December 14 2011 21:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:12 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Now gom have invented a rule


Are you sure they just randomly "invented" this rule? How do you know that it hasn't been in place since GOM's BW days?



interpreted is maybe a better word, invented in the sense that noone knew that you could play a game in a fashion that was unsatisfactory in the eyes of gom. if korean netizens would have gone ballistic and raged about dancing or manner mules gom would surely have interpreted the rules in this way earlier.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 14 2011 12:07 GMT
#68
--- Nuked ---
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 14 2011 12:09 GMT
#69
On December 14 2011 21:07 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:05 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:03 Eury wrote:
It is bad when you wish for KeSPA back. Hopefully if the BW stars switches over it would most likely mean that GOMTV's monopoly in Korea has ended, if they don't, well, SC2 will die in Korea and GSL with it. Good riddance to the latter.


what? if it was Kespa, Naniwa would've been banned for life.

It's more about that Kespa has the rules written down and don't keep making things up for everything, which this thread is about. If there had been rules which naniwa broke i dont think anyone would actually be on naniwas side of what he did.

GOM's rules are written down. I would really like it if the whole book was posted online in english but the rules are readily availible to players. Its not like they enter these events assuming rules will be made up.

In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 14 2011 12:10 GMT
#70
On December 14 2011 20:55 mind_control wrote:
It's kinda of weird to me, Noone pushed to the Nestea, " Hey drop the birthday Party, U practice for blizzcup there will be 4 matches". Naniwa had vacation and flew long distance even changing twice airplanes and even had interviews with TL/and Gom etc. And he changed team no matter what it was his want or Not. This is really Korean typical issue, when they get together, they can do Anything, pushing someone else Out, Because they just don't like it.

I saw all their twitters last night, it just was common letters, Korean must be very disppointed, but as a person/individual, I also regard that also just their own individual common dialogue, it just was happening. It's not easy to play 5-6 matches/ a day it was even evening. Naniwa just getting adjust himself new country, Do you think, he must hang out here new place? He just came here to new career, I don't think he just wants only money <- this must be only Gom's opinion. He just social awkward like you guys saying. maybe sick. Buy this is only he wants. Only he dumped up his 4th match, Code-S seed is revoked? This is total revenge from nestea and Dong-Hoon, Kang all the his team then. I thought he getting stick together each other well then. I don't know what was the reason of Couch Kang refused him to be there though. from my eyes they seem all every each one kool, but there must be something unwelcome naniwa inside there, and even though there are so many people surrounded there naniwa, there must be something making naniwa so lonely and cold.

I know's naniwas's problem. but you think, this will be the reason that he should be code-S seed revoked alternative making to Sen??

Grew up guys, open eyes, we cant make it because we got hurt, and he just dumped us up, unlike our hopening & expectation. Read that - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때

I think, you guys prefer wants money, I don't find any aggresive or threaten from his action with the match with nestea game # 9 yesterday evening.

I think, you guys prefer want Respect & Fame than Naniwa.

I hope this can be assured for naniwa, as long as I know this is all his hope and aim to Korea.

Thanks for the post, it's interesting to know that there are differing views of the situation in Korea as well!
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
December 14 2011 12:10 GMT
#71
On December 14 2011 21:07 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:05 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:03 Eury wrote:
It is bad when you wish for KeSPA back. Hopefully if the BW stars switches over it would most likely mean that GOMTV's monopoly in Korea has ended, if they don't, well, SC2 will die in Korea and GSL with it. Good riddance to the latter.


what? if it was Kespa, Naniwa would've been banned for life.

It's more about that Kespa has the rules written down and don't keep making things up for everything, which this thread is about. If there had been rules which naniwa broke i dont think anyone would actually be on naniwas side of what he did.


There is a rule. Basically, you are supposed to be professional.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 14 2011 12:11 GMT
#72
On December 14 2011 21:05 Toadvine wrote:
GOM's running a business, they need to please their viewers, and they'll do whatever it takes. They can't afford to have the integrity to go against the wishes of the masses. Maybe in a few years their position will be strong enough to do such a thing, but it's way too early right now. In essence, yes, they're handing out punishment based on fan reactions, rather than the rules themselves, and since the fans are idiots with a herd-mentality, it comes out the way it does.

Still, insulting Naniwa by calling him a money-grubbing amateur was totally uncalled for. That, they did not need to do, and it looks way more unprofessional than what Naniwa himself did. Next thing you know Code S qualification is going to be based on a popularity contest, with the casters doing stand-up comedy during the breaks.


i think this is very short sightened. maybe it is better to invite mediocre foreigners now, but people will get tired and find it is less entertaining. i can only go to myself, i get excited when i hear fenix, moonglade, haypro, sase and the rest getting invites, i wish for the best and then get really dissapointed.

if gom instead had tried to go for quality instead of quantity it would have been for the better in the long run.
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
December 14 2011 12:11 GMT
#73
I completely don't see any problems with GOM's rules at all. It's pathetic If you need rules to tell you what you cant do.
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
December 14 2011 12:11 GMT
#74
On December 14 2011 21:06 bubblegumbo wrote:
You are stupid if you think that a professional gamer, being required to be professional is considered arbitrary. One day when you get a job that means shit and puts you in the scrutiny of others perhaps you'll understand. Act like a kid and you'll be treated like a kid, especially when it's a job.


That would be like your boss telling you to take out the trash. After you are finished taking out the garbage, he then tells you to rip up some paper and throw it on the ground just to pick it up again. He is still paying you, but it is meaningless and you both know it.

I know you can say that the entertainment industry is a bit different than a real job. But a real fan should not get any enjoyment out of a fake game where neither opponent is putting in 100%.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:13:39
December 14 2011 12:12 GMT
#75
--- Nuked ---
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:16:23
December 14 2011 12:12 GMT
#76
And whats up with the people acting up for punishing a player that is willingly dropping a televised game, he is paid for to play in, in a very obvious way.

He does not want to play?
Well do some all-in cannon rush / Proxigate whatever (you might even end up winning ^^). No one would care, but probe rushng is just not acceptable... Or just start the game and then leave his PC...
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
December 14 2011 12:14 GMT
#77
On December 14 2011 21:06 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:05 gregnog wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:00 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.

Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.

Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.


since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live?


A fake game with the illusion of real competition is what the Koreans want.

But then they pretend its about fans/pride/honor.

Where was Nesteas honor when he purposefully gave MVP the win at Blizzcon finals? That game had a 25k difference in 1st and 2nd place. (Most likely split the difference...) Naniwas was literally meaningless.

Please do not make the naive assumption that skipping meaningless games detract from your pride and honor. That is what I am getting at.


every sports in the world is exactly the same, and they all receives heavy punishment as well if you pull any stunts like that. I guess all sports are all fake honor and pride then right?

and seriously your accusation without proofs is not something a logical person would do. Where is your proof that Nestea purposely throw away the game? I'm not sure why I am even wasting my time responding to a conspiracist.


No? I have heard that there is some soccer rule that has only been enforced 1 or 2 times. In the US there is no such rule, for any sport. It is actually standard strategy to not put in full effort for meaningless games.

Conspiracy? I guess you weren't around when the Blizzcon Finals happened. It is pretty well known. Them being on the same team and all...
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 14 2011 12:14 GMT
#78
On December 14 2011 21:10 NHY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:07 zeru wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:05 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:03 Eury wrote:
It is bad when you wish for KeSPA back. Hopefully if the BW stars switches over it would most likely mean that GOMTV's monopoly in Korea has ended, if they don't, well, SC2 will die in Korea and GSL with it. Good riddance to the latter.


what? if it was Kespa, Naniwa would've been banned for life.

It's more about that Kespa has the rules written down and don't keep making things up for everything, which this thread is about. If there had been rules which naniwa broke i dont think anyone would actually be on naniwas side of what he did.


There is a rule. Basically, you are supposed to be professional.


do you really buy that? "you are supposed to be professional"? what does that entail? if players do sloppy plays and miss micro because the game doesnt matter, isnt that unprofessional? this is such a fine line, you might as well have a rule "players have to be 100% motivated for every game, otherwise you may at any point be banned from the league for being considered unprofessional"
aussiesanga
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia32 Posts
December 14 2011 12:14 GMT
#79
I just hope Naniwa takes the punishment on the chin and strives to earn his code S place back. He's worthy of competing with the top Koreans.
SNARF
skyrunner
Profile Joined August 2009
371 Posts
December 14 2011 12:14 GMT
#80
On December 14 2011 21:12 Velr wrote:
And whats up with the people acting up for punishing a player that is willingly dropping a televised game, he is paid for to play in, in a very obvious way.

He does not want to play?
Well do some all-in cannon rush / Proxigate whatever (you might even end up winning ^^). No one would care, but prope rushng is just not acceptable... Or just start the game and then leave his PC...

What is the difference?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 19 20 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:35
Best Games of HSC
Lambo vs SKillous
uThermal vs Gerald
SKillous vs Serral
ShoWTimE vs Arrogfire
Clem vs Elazer
Reynor vs Jumy
PiGStarcraft138
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft138
ZombieGrub89
NeuroSwarm 88
JuggernautJason68
UpATreeSC 61
SteadfastSC 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 107
NaDa 32
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King127
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu422
Other Games
summit1g5779
tarik_tv4176
Grubby3531
ToD236
C9.Mang091
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick39531
BasetradeTV202
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 133
• StrangeGG 65
• Hupsaiya 47
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1236
• Shiphtur324
Upcoming Events
OSC
1m
SteadfastSC19
davetesta1
Replay Cast
2h 1m
RSL Revival
11h 1m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
12h 1m
Afreeca Starleague
12h 1m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
14h 1m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
18h 1m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
18h 1m
RSL Revival
1d 11h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 18h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.