EPTAre GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem? - Page 2
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greatboy
Canada10 Posts
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Xova
United States342 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
Also rules are rules. Coca casually threw games away and then he got disqualified for his behaviour. Naniwa will receive the same treatment, as with Rain when he failed to attend the group selection and failed to notify GSL prior to forefeiting GSL (he was banned for a brief time). | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote: Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL. And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen. edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction. okay but naniwa didnt just probe rush and try. He pressed a on nesteas base and took his hands off the keyboard. Thats making a statement. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Remember that Koreans found the punishment for Coca too mild. Culture clash. | ||
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Candide
456 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote: Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL. And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen. edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction. I say this because everyone seems to think its valid to bring them up you can see it in the 90 pages of naniwa... he could have simply 4gated and walked away but he 6 probe rushes ggs and says on record that he basically didn't want to play it(throwing) and it is considered disrespect to throw a game... which is the rule | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
In meatspace sports professional athletes play out equally "meaningless" matches at the end of the regular season all the time, and they don't complain about it Do we need to restructure the NFL so that we cancel all regular season games when a team is no longer able to make the playoffs? As always the koreans are years ahead of us in the development of e-sports, so it's not surprising the difference in reaction between foreigners and koreans. | ||
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RealRook
Czech Republic54 Posts
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:23 Candide wrote: I say this because everyone seems to think its valid to bring them up you can see it in the 90 pages of naniwa... he could have simply 4gated and walked away but he 6 probe rushes ggs and says on record that he basically didn't want to play it(throwing) and it is considered disrespect to throw a game... which is the rule How would throwing the game with a 4 gate be any different if it's also throwing the game that's the point. Tyler mentioned this as well on his twitter but this happens all the time, it was just more obvious now. Why don't all the other situations get the same punishment? | ||
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nugget-92
Australia83 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:17 ptbl wrote: Foreigners shouldnt be babied and get special treatment. If a korean programer did what nani did they would have a much harsher punoshment. Nani is pretty lucky. Coca, Byun and Choya all threw games. All of their games mattered in terms of the GSL tournament. None of which were banned. | ||
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Enearde
France265 Posts
Maybe GOM would gain to be more clear on the rules but i don't think their rules are this difficult to apprehend. The thing is you need to follow every tournament to know who wins or who takes X place in Y tournament and then follow every thread to know if something happened like a player renouncing to his spot... At least be less discret about all that and put a page or something on their website for people to understand how it work without going through 30 pages on TL. IMO, GOM is doing a great job and even if there are some communication problems with foreign fans the most part of the whole thing is pretty cool and i think we all should be grateful for all they are doing to bring Korean competition into the foreign scene. I'm aware of the fact that they are not doing it because it's great and the birds are singing, they gain a LOT of money by doing that but hey who'll blame them for that. So, i'ld say yes for more skill related code A give away but there will never be a "Code X" spot for a foreigner that will be deserved by an other way than beating the code B tournament. PS: why all the Naniwa stuff in this topic? 0o | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
Reason: doesnt need to be cleared up. | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
cmon people. and i may be biased, but then why would i bring up morrow as an example of an undeserving invite? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:23 Meteora.GB wrote: Trust me, this is nothing. If KeSPA was around, you'd be disqualified if you type PP incorrectly. I can't possible imagine what the hell would happen if they were around. Also rules are rules. Coca casually threw games away and then he got disqualified for his behaviour. Naniwa will receive the same treatment, as with Rain when he failed to attend the group selection and failed to notify GSL prior to forefeiting GSL (he was banned for a brief time). Everyone is shitting on KeSPA for this but when you thing about it, it is very logical. KeSPA doesn't look at BW as a computer game but a sport. And the players are not just competing in tactics and hand speed but also concentration and mental capacity. Any pause during the game is helping the player with less concentration and mental capacity as he gets to calm down a bit and have a short pause. I hope one day any breaks are disallowed in SC2 as well. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zanno wrote: The real question here is starcraft a sport or not? In meatspace sports professional athletes play out equally "meaningless" matches at the end of the regular season all the time, and they don't complain about it Do we need to restructure the NFL so that we cancel all regular season games when a team is no longer able to make the playoffs? As always the koreans are years ahead of us in the development of e-sports, so it's not surprising the difference in reaction between foreigners and koreans. They play the games because they are contractually obligated to play them by their teams. Their teams rely on those regular season meaningless games for revenue through ticket prices/merchandise/parking/television contracts that in turn pays the players salary. Even with that said Owners and Coaches sit out their best players all the time toward the end of the season if they can't make the playoffs to not risk injury and to get the B-teamers some play time. They aren't trying to win the game in any capacity, they are just doing the absolute minimum that they need to do to meet the contractual obligations of the league. Naniwa fucked up and should've just 4-gated but, you can't inject motivation into a player. It was a meaningless game to both him and Nestea within the tournament. Naniwa is just horrible at pretending like 99% of the other players are capable of doing. That's really his only fault. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:25 nugget-92 wrote: Coca, Byun and Choya all threw games. All of their games mattered in terms of the GSL tournament. None of which were banned. uhh all were banned from GSL (not by gom directly) | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
all from people with low post counts..... anyway. it saddens me to see them somewhat abuse their ''power'' and kick out nani (fair choice though) but inviting Sen wasn't called for imo. idra yes since he was code S when he left but still that can be argued about. was hoping for an online/offline tourney to determine rather than what looks like a popularity contest. | ||
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