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greatboy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada10 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#21
Why don't you guys get Naniwa a lawyer and have him sue GOMTV. LOL
Xova
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#22
This is the first time its ever even come into question. They took action and there isnt anything we can do about it. The rules "becoming a problem" is just a stupid thing to bring up.
If you're a Starcraft fan, you're an Lim Yo Hwan fan.
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#23
Trust me, this is nothing. If KeSPA was around, you'd be disqualified if you type PP incorrectly. I can't possible imagine what the hell would happen if they were around.

Also rules are rules. Coca casually threw games away and then he got disqualified for his behaviour. Naniwa will receive the same treatment, as with Rain when he failed to attend the group selection and failed to notify GSL prior to forefeiting GSL (he was banned for a brief time).
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#24
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote:
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..

Choya Ladder fixing

Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0


What happened to them


Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..

Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL.

And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen.

edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction.

okay but naniwa didnt just probe rush and try. He pressed a on nesteas base and took his hands off the keyboard. Thats making a statement.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#25
Naniwa is lucky he isn't Korean.


Remember that Koreans found the punishment for Coca too mild. Culture clash.
I had a good night of sleep.
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#26
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote:
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..

Choya Ladder fixing

Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0


What happened to them


Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..

Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL.

And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen.

edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction.



I say this because everyone seems to think its valid to bring them up you can see it in the 90 pages of naniwa... he could have simply 4gated and walked away but he 6 probe rushes ggs and says on record that he basically didn't want to play it(throwing) and it is considered disrespect to throw a game... which is the rule
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#27
The real question here is starcraft a sport or not?

In meatspace sports professional athletes play out equally "meaningless" matches at the end of the regular season all the time, and they don't complain about it

Do we need to restructure the NFL so that we cancel all regular season games when a team is no longer able to make the playoffs?

As always the koreans are years ahead of us in the development of e-sports, so it's not surprising the difference in reaction between foreigners and koreans.
aaaaa
RealRook
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic54 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#28
lets be honest here, naniwa is not exactly know for his nice manners and he can be kind of a douche sometimes, so he had it coming sooner or later, just hope he can learn from this, its just 1 month ban
IMPrime
Profile Joined September 2011
United States715 Posts
December 14 2011 11:25 GMT
#29
coca barely received any punishment from gom, it was slayers who forced him to drop out.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 14 2011 11:25 GMT
#30
On December 14 2011 20:23 Candide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote:
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..

Choya Ladder fixing

Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0


What happened to them


Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..

Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL.

And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen.

edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction.



I say this because everyone seems to think its valid to bring them up you can see it in the 90 pages of naniwa... he could have simply 4gated and walked away but he 6 probe rushes ggs and says on record that he basically didn't want to play it(throwing) and it is considered disrespect to throw a game... which is the rule

How would throwing the game with a 4 gate be any different if it's also throwing the game that's the point. Tyler mentioned this as well on his twitter but this happens all the time, it was just more obvious now. Why don't all the other situations get the same punishment?
nugget-92
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia83 Posts
December 14 2011 11:25 GMT
#31
On December 14 2011 20:17 ptbl wrote:
Foreigners shouldnt be babied and get special treatment. If a korean programer did what nani did they would have a much harsher punoshment. Nani is pretty lucky.



Coca, Byun and Choya all threw games. All of their games mattered in terms of the GSL tournament. None of which were banned.
Well, the tomato's an anomaly. So successful with the ketchup and the sauce, but you can't find a good one.
Enearde
Profile Joined February 2011
France265 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:29:03
December 14 2011 11:27 GMT
#32
I'm not sure about Code S spot because it's like giving something that need to be earn since Code S is meant to be the super league but i'm okay with GOM giving some Code A or up&down spots. It's almost impossible for foreigners to "earn" their way to code A since the Code A qualifier is by far the hardest tournament in term of format and skill representation, if you aren't in Korea training for 5 or 6 months it seems impossible to earn the Code A spot.

Maybe GOM would gain to be more clear on the rules but i don't think their rules are this difficult to apprehend. The thing is you need to follow every tournament to know who wins or who takes X place in Y tournament and then follow every thread to know if something happened like a player renouncing to his spot... At least be less discret about all that and put a page or something on their website for people to understand how it work without going through 30 pages on TL.

IMO, GOM is doing a great job and even if there are some communication problems with foreign fans the most part of the whole thing is pretty cool and i think we all should be grateful for all they are doing to bring Korean competition into the foreign scene. I'm aware of the fact that they are not doing it because it's great and the birds are singing, they gain a LOT of money by doing that but hey who'll blame them for that.

So, i'ld say yes for more skill related code A give away but there will never be a "Code X" spot for a foreigner that will be deserved by an other way than beating the code B tournament.

PS: why all the Naniwa stuff in this topic? 0o
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 14 2011 11:27 GMT
#33
Gom are way over line with removing his Code S seed.. I was going to buy a 1 year pass, but after hearing this news I will never buy any season pass again...
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:27:41
December 14 2011 11:27 GMT
#34
EDIT: Wrong thread.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
December 14 2011 11:27 GMT
#35
Answer: No

Reason: doesnt need to be cleared up.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#36
is everyone skipping the entire post until "naniwa" is mentioned or what?!

cmon people.

and i may be biased, but then why would i bring up morrow as an example of an undeserving invite?
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:36:38
December 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#37
On December 14 2011 20:23 Meteora.GB wrote:
Trust me, this is nothing. If KeSPA was around, you'd be disqualified if you type PP incorrectly. I can't possible imagine what the hell would happen if they were around.

Also rules are rules. Coca casually threw games away and then he got disqualified for his behaviour. Naniwa will receive the same treatment, as with Rain when he failed to attend the group selection and failed to notify GSL prior to forefeiting GSL (he was banned for a brief time).

Everyone is shitting on KeSPA for this but when you thing about it, it is very logical. KeSPA doesn't look at BW as a computer game but a sport. And the players are not just competing in tactics and hand speed but also concentration and mental capacity. Any pause during the game is helping the player with less concentration and mental capacity as he gets to calm down a bit and have a short pause.

I hope one day any breaks are disallowed in SC2 as well.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
December 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#38
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zanno wrote:
The real question here is starcraft a sport or not?

In meatspace sports professional athletes play out equally "meaningless" matches at the end of the regular season all the time, and they don't complain about it

Do we need to restructure the NFL so that we cancel all regular season games when a team is no longer able to make the playoffs?

As always the koreans are years ahead of us in the development of e-sports, so it's not surprising the difference in reaction between foreigners and koreans.


They play the games because they are contractually obligated to play them by their teams. Their teams rely on those regular season meaningless games for revenue through ticket prices/merchandise/parking/television contracts that in turn pays the players salary. Even with that said Owners and Coaches sit out their best players all the time toward the end of the season if they can't make the playoffs to not risk injury and to get the B-teamers some play time. They aren't trying to win the game in any capacity, they are just doing the absolute minimum that they need to do to meet the contractual obligations of the league.

Naniwa fucked up and should've just 4-gated but, you can't inject motivation into a player. It was a meaningless game to both him and Nestea within the tournament. Naniwa is just horrible at pretending like 99% of the other players are capable of doing. That's really his only fault.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#39
On December 14 2011 20:25 nugget-92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:17 ptbl wrote:
Foreigners shouldnt be babied and get special treatment. If a korean programer did what nani did they would have a much harsher punoshment. Nani is pretty lucky.



Coca, Byun and Choya all threw games. All of their games mattered in terms of the GSL tournament. None of which were banned.


uhh all were banned from GSL (not by gom directly)
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 14 2011 11:38 GMT
#40
sooo many threads.
all from people with low post counts.....

anyway.

it saddens me to see them somewhat abuse their ''power'' and kick out nani (fair choice though) but inviting Sen wasn't called for imo.
idra yes since he was code S when he left but still that can be argued about.
was hoping for an online/offline tourney to determine rather than what looks like a popularity contest.
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